Is Dhoni greatest captain wicket keeper ever ?

[The Outsider]

Who knows how much he would have averaged had he not been captain ? :hysterical:

Yeah, Bradman would be turning in his grave at the thought of Dhoni not captaining. BTW, what did he average when he was not captain? :hysterical:

[ganeshran]

Gilchrist averages 33 as captain.:cantstop:

In a grand total of 6 test matches :cantstop:

[Sehwag1830]

Yeah' date=' Bradman would be turning in his grave at the thought of Dhoni not captaining. BTW, what did he average when he was not captain? :hysterical:[/quote'] And Dhoni would really be worried that somebody on random Indian forum rates him lower than Mongia, More .So Dhoni was such a mediocre player why was he made captain ? Why couldn't Tendulkar, Dravid, Ganguly take India to no.1 position and World cup victory as captain .

[Sehwag1830]

In a grand total of 6 test matches :cantstop:

Because he wasn't good enough.:cantstop:

[Shunya]

I dont think a mediocre keeper can maintain the record of 224 dismissals in Tests & 265 dismissal in ODIs...that just impossible if you are mediocre... and that too with playing most of the matches in subcontinent where u dont have luxury of taking plenty of caught behinds of fast bowlers like you see in Eng, Aus or SA...

[rkt.india]

Dhoni is an overachiever with regards to his talent. He has achieved things which most more talented wk/batsman than him would love to achieve.

[Sid]

Dhoni is an overachiever with regards to his talent. He has achieved things which most more talented wk/batsman than him would love to achieve.

Agree with this.

[GautiMaan]

Outy is making this point of MS being a mediocre keeper in quite a few threads,yet i dont recall him dropping any catches.Maybe he is not a healy or boucher,but he does a decent job with catching and is excellent when it comes to stumping

[Trichromatic]

Dhoni is an overachiever with regards to his talent. He has achieved things which most more talented wk/batsman than him would love to achieve.

If I'm not wrong then, he wasn't best batsman even in his state teams which hardly produce international cricketers.

[Trichromatic]

Outy is making this point of MS being a mediocre keeper in quite a few threads' date='yet i dont recall him dropping any catches.Maybe he is not a healy or boucher,but he does a decent job with catching and is excellent when it comes to stumping[/quote'] He is talking about the chances when he doesn't go for the catch. That happens more often in his case than any other wicketkeeper.

[GautiMaan]

He is talking about the chances when he doesn't go for the catch. That happens more often in his case than any other wicketkeeper.

Not really a quantifiable thing is it?Though i think its bcoz sometimes he stands a bit too back,rather than a lack of athleticism

[Trichromatic]

Not really a quantifiable thing is it?Though i think its bcoz sometimes he stands a bit too back' date='rather than a lack of athleticism[/quote'] Probably because he is not a natural wicketkeeper. He doesn't go for everything that is in his range.

[Crookbond]

Dhoni is definitely not the best WK India has had in terms of WK skills. But, any argument which tries to slice & dice aspects of the game must take into account that the whole is not merely the sum of the parts.

[Ultimate_Game]

Outy is making this point of MS being a mediocre keeper in quite a few threads' date=yet i dont recall him dropping any catches.Maybe he is not a healy or boucher,but he does a decent job with catching and is excellent when it comes to stumping

That's what we have - his words or his interpretation of things :haha: "More better than Dhoni" bandwagoners clutching at whatever straws they can lay their hands on and in some cases inventing stuff like "If Dhoni had stood closer to stumps in the 43rd over of the 2nd Test against England he would have been in a position to dive for a catch" :facepalm: I am sure these guys have done extensive analysis on the drops/chances given/how far wk stood for all the other intl wks :haha:

[The Outsider]

He is talking about the chances when he doesn't go for the catch. That happens more often in his case than any other wicketkeeper.

That and during the England and Australian tours he was standing so far back that many chances dropped short of the slips. There is something seriously wrong if that is happening regularly in Australia.

[GautiMaan]

That's what we have - his words or his interpretation of things :haha: "More better than Dhoni" bandwagoners clutching at whatever straws they can lay their hands on and in some cases inventing stuff like "If Dhoni had stood closer to stumps in the 43rd over of the 2nd Test against England he would have been in a position to dive for a catch" :facepalm: I am sure these guys have done extensive analysis on the drops/chances given/how far wk stood for all the other intl wks :haha:

I have seen the ball going between MS and first slip,but not so much as to automatically term him mediocre,same thing goes for standing back too it happens some times but to fixate on that and ignore everything else:facepalm:

[The Outsider]

Outy is making this point of MS being a mediocre keeper in quite a few threads' date='yet i dont recall him dropping any catches.Maybe he is not a healy or boucher,but he does a decent job with catching and is excellent when it comes to stumping[/quote'] I've never seen so many occasions where a keeper let's a catch go to first slip as Dhoni does and if the first slip does not react it just flies through. 99% of catches between keeper and first slip should be attempted by the keeper.

[Number]

England he was def. poor. But I've seen so many good keepers struggling in England lately. Its been a tough place for touring keepers.

[Ultimate_Game]

I have seen the ball going between MS and first slip' date='but not so much as to automatically term him mediocre,same thing goes for standing back too it happens some times but to fixate on that and ignore everything else:facepalm:[/quote'] Yet others are being "intelectually dishonest" and the folks coming out with the coulda woulda shoulda theories (if he had stood closer he would have caught edge which evaded 1st slip) are paragons of so called intellectual honesty :giggle:

[Crookbond]

There may have been certain instances were MS Dhoni has allowed to let catches go through but have not other keepers dropp catches? Prior dropped catches during India's tour od England 2007. I also remember Boucher dropping Hussain in the famous Atherton-Donald Trent Bridge Test match. Gilchrist dropped a few catches too. Rod Marsh of all people was nick named "Iron Gloves". So this entire point of dropping catches seems moot to me. Also, equating Dhoni's keeping skills to Dravid and using that to draw further inferences makes sense in some far away parallel universe of Deepak Chopra.