Straight Drive Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 I usually try to be very fair to even the non performers. However today i would say that results do matter given that a captain gets a long run, which in Dhoni's case is more than few years now. I don't know who the other alternative to captaincy is, but certainly something has to change at least for the sake of it. Bring some new life.
someone Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 WTf:hysterical: Have you been watching these ass rapes for last 3 years in away tests, or this first match you seen? Delusional fan boy. Sad to see Look, Dhoni can to be replaced. But only when the right time and alternative is viable. Today, that simply doesn't exist in test cricket. T20s new captain therefore should be the first step to address that. And it's not like we have only lost overseas under Dhoni. With other captains, we have been very poor as well.
maniac Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 Look, Dhoni can to be replaced. But only when the right time and alternative is viable. Today, that simply doesn't exist. And it's not like we have only lost overseas under Dhoni. With other captains, we have been very poor as well. Things won't get better....I agree there is no viable option but dhoni as a captain is so bad and also clearly power hungry,it will almost be impossible to find the next viable option,if we keep getting humiliated like this.
King Tendulkar Posted August 9, 2014 Author Posted August 9, 2014 Look, Dhoni can to be replaced. But only when the right time and alternative is viable. Today, that simply doesn't exist in test cricket. T20s new captain therefore should be the first step to address that. And it's not like we have only lost overseas under Dhoni. With other captains, we have been very poor as well. Delusional nonsense.... blah blah always alterantives, give them chances lets see how they do. No one and I mean no one can do as bad as dhoni and his corrupt system. Anyone not corrupt and who wants indian team to do well is good enough for me, Paid media created such an aura that foolish suckers get rope in to falling for it.
King Tendulkar Posted August 9, 2014 Author Posted August 9, 2014 Lots of alternatives Kohli, Rahne, Pujara. So they 2 out of 3 not scored runs this series, so what, dhoni has been awful for years yet no problem him being skipper from pathetic fan boys
NareshK Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 These guys can't even handle playing under pressure of saving a game, what are they going to do when they are made captain ? If Kohli or Pujara are made captains, they won't score a single run and most likely will be dropped after losing form. I don't want Dhoni to be the captain either but who is the alternative ?
someone Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 Delusional nonsense.... blah blah always alterantives' date=' give them chances lets see how they do. No one and I mean no one can do as bad as dhoni and his corrupt system. Anyone not corrupt and who wants indian team to do well is good enough for me,[/quote'] I guess you have never studied change management. Not all changes lead to positive results and certainly, doing a change doesn't guarantee things will improve. Instead, it can even go worse. Of course, at the same time, I realize and completely understand that maintaining the status quo also doesn't mean things will improve. I just don't want to have like Pakistan where captains are removed quickly and randomly.
express bowling Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 The main issue is accountability. Cricket is a professional sport. Has to be managed professionally. Without accountability there cannot be best possible performance. Dhoni or any other captain will never perform optimally unless there is consequence for their poor performance. Say BCCI puts a clause in Dhoni's contract. Unless he wins every test series he plays abroad, he will be fined 50 crores per series. Do you guys still think Dhoni would have performed as badly as a test captain as he is doing now ? There has to be accountability and consequence for actions if results have to be obtained. That is why Dhoni should be removed as a captain in tests.
Straight Drive Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 These guys can't even handle playing under pressure of saving a game, what are they going to do when they are made captain ? [f Kohli or Pujara are made captains, they won't score a single run and most likely will be dropped after losing form. I don't want Dhoni to be the captain either but who is the alternative ? Sorry, but how do you come to that conclusion until they are actually given a chance. When Sunny retired, everyone said there would be no Sunil Gavaskar. Sachin Tendulkar played cricket and eclipsed him. Over time great cricketers have been replaced by superior cricketers at times. Finding a replacement for Dhoni, the way he has performed as captain is certainly nowhere even half difficult to what we have seen about great cricketers being replaced.
NareshK Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 Sorry, but how do you come to that conclusion until they are actually given a chance. When Sunny retired, everyone said there would be no Sunil Gavaskar. Sachin Tendulkar played cricket and eclipsed him. Over time great cricketers have been replaced by superior cricketers at times. Finding a replacement for Dhoni, the way he has performed as captain is certainly nowhere even half difficult to what we have seen about great cricketers being replaced. I don't think they have the maturity yet. Certainly not Kohli. Perhaps Pujara but should he be burdened at this stage ?
Straight Drive Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 I don't think they have the maturity yet. Certainly not Kohli. Perhaps Pujara but should he be burdened at this stage ? Virat is just 25? Immature imo as well irrespective of his age, the way he runs on field showing middle finger to crow and abuse after scoring most tons with his usual sledge words. Hope that was odd instance and he has learned from his childish behavioral pattern. Chet yes, i agree. Just one year elder to Virat but shows lot of composure at this point of time. Better of the two options as far as test format and their performances in this format are concerned.
CSK Fan Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 I guess you have never studied change management. Not all changes lead to positive results and certainly, doing a change doesn't guarantee things will improve. Instead, it can even go worse. Of course, at the same time, I realize and completely understand that maintaining the status quo also doesn't mean things will improve. I just don't want to have like Pakistan where captains are removed quickly and randomly. How on earth is removing a Captain after 7 successful years random or quickly? That is the shelf life of even the best captains! And we have already hit rock bottom so what can be worse?
CSK Fan Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 I don't think they have the maturity yet. Certainly not Kohli. Perhaps Pujara but should he be burdened at this stage ? How old and matured was Dhoni when he was made captain in 2007? Or Smith? Or Amla? On fact captaincy brought the best out of Dhoni, these ate just excuses not to make changes
vvvslaxman Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 The post match interview of him like he is some kind of father figure really ticks me off. He thinks he is indispensable as captain. Matthews was just an okay batsman before he was made captain. Now he has transformed. May be guys like Pujara would transform. Smith, Fleming all took over captaincy at a very young age. They were not given based on their form. Ganguly averaged 29 in the series before he assumed captaincy. If we are going to give captaincy to based on form we have to give it to Bhuvaneswar Kumar. Frankly i won't even object.
King Tendulkar Posted August 9, 2014 Author Posted August 9, 2014 The post match interview of him like he is some kind of father figure really ticks me off. He thinks he is indispensable as captain. Matthews was just an okay batsman before he was made captain. Now he has transformed. May be guys like Pujara would transform. Smith' date=' Fleming all took over captaincy at a very young age. They were not given based on their form. Ganguly averaged 29 in the series before he assumed captaincy. If we are going to give captaincy to based on form we have to give it to Bhuvaneswar Kumar. Frankly i won't even object.[/quote'] Its just a pathetic excuse used by dhoni fanatics. Some saying at least its safe in dhoni hands blah blah Like a new skipper would be a rapist or something, mental!!!
express bowling Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 What will happen if we change the test captain ? In away tours ... What could be worse than losing every test series ?
FreakazoiD Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 There is no alternative to Dhoni. Sad but true.
express bowling Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 For those guys who are worried about further drop in performances of our young players , if made the captain..... Make Stewart Binny the captain. We have no expectations from him, either with the bat or the ball. He can't deteriorate as a test player if he is the captain. :--D
vvvslaxman Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 There is no alternative to Dhoni. Sad but true. HOw about a vacuum cleaner. Say Dhoni becomes disabled.. what would you do? Stop playing cricket since there is no alternative. When you say alternative you mean "there is nobody better than Dhoni". Only way you find that out is by giving them chance.
CG Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 HOw about a vacuum cleaner. Say Dhoni becomes disabled.. what would you do? Stop playing cricket since there is no alternative. When you say alternative you mean "there is nobody better than Dhoni". Only way you find that out is by giving them chance. Plenty of delusional fans mate.First of all dhonis should not be in the test team with his poor keeping and batting .First select your best test side then select the captain.
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