Find a few genuine fast bowlers- Greg Chappell

[rkt.india]

And add the idiot bhogle who whenever a new guy debuts just keeps saying he is said to be 150ks in domestic but most turn out to be 130k and keeps mouthing ****.

Actually, most of commentatorsand ex-crickters who commentates know zilch about Indian domestic cricket and players playing currently.

[diga]

You are missing the point. I am saying that one of the reasons why Indian pacers have reduced pace maybe because the past players, mostly batsmen, always discourage them and try to convince them to focus on only swing as they will never be fast in the long run. This is in sharp contrast to someone like an Akram who is trying to talk up a Shami, pacewise, and this might actually result in him having more self belief and end up bowling with pace and effort. Fast bowling is a strenuous thing and needs motivation.

Gavaskar especially wants a bowler to take 400 odd wkts for himself & not win a few matches for India

[JaFanatic]

And add the idiot bhogle who whenever a new guy debuts just keeps saying he is said to be 150ks in domestic but most turn out to be 130k and keeps mouthing ****.

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

[express bowling]

Gavaskar especially wants a bowler to take 400 odd wkts for himself & not win a few matches for India

The great man loves personal statistical records, especially those linked with longevity in the game.

[express bowling]

Actually' date=' most of commentatorsand ex-crickters who commentates know zilch about Indian domestic cricket and players playing currently.[/quote'] Sad but true. Add to that -- biased ideas based on what Indian cricketers could or couldn't do 20 / 30 years back and imposing those typecast qualities on the modern cricketers.

[Cevno]

Chappell is a disaster as a strategist. coach, selector or talent spotter. Just no. Both and his brother Ian that is. Was thrown out by Australia too, after India.

[Cevno]

"The key to PakistanÃÔ success is not that they find the talent' date= but that they have the courage to select untried bowlers at Test level". yes time to learn from pakistan if you want to be succesful india .:two_thumbs_up:

So, we should get our 2 main bowlers banned for match fixing so that we have more space to try new bowlers ? Good idea. Dinda needs trying. :giggle:

[express bowling]

Chappell is a disaster as a strategist. coach, selector or talent spotter. Just no. Both and his brother Ian that is. Was thrown out by Australia too, after India.

Greg Chappell's biggest problem was inter-personal communication and relations. He managed to tick off almost all players whom he coached, whether Indian or Australian. A mentor should have a certain credibility as a friend and he lacked that. His cricket sense was not bad at all but nobody managed to benefit from that.

[Cevno]

Greg Chappell's biggest problem was inter-personal communication and relations. He managed to tick off almost all players whom he coached' date=' whether Indian or Australian. A mentor should have a certain credibility as a friend and he lacked that.[b'] His cricket sense was not bad at all but nobody managed to benefit from that.

Yes it was. He was given all sorts of leeway in India and played Sachin at 4 in ODI's and then made Dravid open in tests and also keep in both during a period. Dravid's career went downhill from that period. Also backed UV for the test team, and wanted to sack Zaheer who took India to number 1 after he left among others and other things. For Australia he was a selector and made all sorts of bad calls too, and then began to visit dressing room to try and contol iirc which pissed them off. Beyond me. why some think he was a good choice as coach or would have been even now.

[express bowling]

Yes it was. He was given all sorts of leeway in India and played Sachin at 4 in ODI's and then made Dravid open in tests and also keep in both during a period. Dravid's career went downhill from that period. Also backed UV for the test team, and wanted to sack Zaheer who took India to number 1 after he left among others and other thigngs. For Australia he was a selector and made all sorts of bad calls too, and then began to visit dressing room to try and contol iirc which pissed them off. Beyond me. why some think he was a good choice as coach or would have been even now.

Tendulkar was sent lower because, at that time all the good batsmen were batting at the top and the batting order lacked balance and experience lower down. He tried to inculcate some non traditional ideas which many did not like, e.g flexible batting order. That does not make them bad. Dravid was used as a keeper so that another batsman could be included. Again, he tried to lend balance to the team rather than giving the superstars the best deal. Chappel was not a good choice overall but he did have some new ideas which reduced the over-importance given to superstars in Indian cricket in the past. His bull-headedness foiled any good ideas that he may have had.

[Cevno]

New Ideas are not equal to good necessarily. There are good ideas and they're are bad. Most of his were bad despite being different.

[CG]

Yes it was. He was given all sorts of leeway in India and played Sachin at 4 in ODI's and then made Dravid open in tests and also keep in both during a period. Dravid's career went downhill from that period. Also backed UV for the test team, and wanted to sack Zaheer who took India to number 1 after he left among others and other things. For Australia he was a selector and made all sorts of bad calls too, and then began to visit dressing room to try and contol iirc which pissed them off. Beyond me. why some think he was a good choice as coach or would have been even now.

1.Sachin was moved to middle order even during gangulys time.Chappel wanted sachin to provide stability in middle order .It did not work but it was not a bad move. 2.Dravid opened in odd tests when we did not have any good alternative.Also he scored 2 hundreds when he opened under chappell and dravid again was made to open under kumble in aus and by dhoni also.He is technically more suited than most 3.Zaheer had lost it and had a belly like ranatunga in pak in 2005/06 and was totally unfit bowling in 120s .He was dropped rightly and worked on his game and fitness and came back a better bowler. 4.Yuvraj singh was said to the biggest talent at that time and got chances and failed

[express bowling]

New Ideas are not equal to good necessarily. There are good ideas and they're are bad. Most of his were bad despite being different.

That most of his ideas were bad is your personal opinion and you are entitled to it. I think his ideas were a mixed bag and I liked those which promoted the team's interest instead of giving priority to superstars ; something which has always plagued Indian cricket.

[Cevno]

The thing is that he was a faliure as a coach for both South Australia and India, then also as a selector for Australia the 2nd time. Maybe did OK in the first spell as Australian selector in 80's but that's it. You are free to live in a alternate universe where his ideas was good, but i disagree. Logic can be found of some sort behind the weirdest of decisions too, so not gonna debate that but it was pretty clear that he was just trying to make too many wrong decisions too soon, just to change stuff for the sake of it.

[Dumbbells]

How u gonna find fist bowlers? I means look at the attitude even in ICF, dudes all day talk about bowling line length and not pace. These low testosterone idiots have never tried to bowl fast in their life and they don't know bowling fast is the most exciting aspect in cricket. Show me a batsman who is comfortable of playing pace? Even the great Sachin have struggled against good pace bowling. We allow the pakis to make fun of our bowling attack. I would say the loss against England was mainly due to the unavailability of Umesh yadav for the 2 test matches we lost. Had he played, we would have definitely given them a good fight.

[KeyboardWarrior]

actually its not a bad idea ' date='india can learn a lot from pakistan regarding pace bowling,but conditions are such that it is probably not possible .[/quote'] ok then we will try to teach you guys some spin first before fast bowling :giggle:

[diga]

ok then we will try to teach you guys some spin first before fast bowling :giggle:

Unfortunately we have a dearth of good spinners too ... hardly any good ones coming through, all dart throwers preparing for IPL

[KeyboardWarrior]

Unfortunately we have a dearth of good spinners too ... hardly any good ones coming through' date=' all dart throwers preparing for IPL[/quote'] yes everybody knows that :winky:

[rkt.india]

ok then we will try to teach you guys some spin first before fast bowling :giggle:

you better teach us chucking.

[putrevus]

Chappell had very good ideas may be his implementation was wrong.But he wanted our cricketers to be fit which our lazy ass players never liked, these guys never played as a team.He wanted to cultivate team first mentality which is hall mark of any Aussie side. He was one who first tried five bowlers strategy in tests it back fired but at least he wanted to go for winning even at risk of losing. He is right unless Indian fans and selectors stop clamouring for stats for batsmen which are utterly meaningless and start looking for an attack capable of taking 20 wickets in any given conditions they will remain like this. Guys like Gavaskar who never won much during his career will never change he is still so obsessed with personal milestones they never talk about how to go about winning a match.In contrast if you listen to guy like Shane Warne all he talks about how can a team win that particular match and what needs to be done.