Umesh Yadav returns

[FischerTal]

I dont mind if he drops pace for IPL and Champion's Trophy' date=' as long as he can crank it up in SA.[/quote'] he should look to be like steyn ideally. bowl in 135 km range and crank it up when required

[Old guy]

he should look to be like steyn ideally. bowl in 135 km range and crank it up when required

Problem is he is no steyn He should just keep working on his swing and bowl with pace its his strength When he is experienced enough and can control swing like steyn and out smart batsman then should redu we pace Steyn when came onto scene was always quick..

[Sidhoni]

Good news. I hope he stays fit for selection in the CT.

[1983-2011]

he'll be shite when he makes an actual comeback

[Number]

Just in time before IPL.. :giggle:

He will never play under Dhoni.

[1983-2011]

umesh is a shyte limited overs bowler, should only be considered in tests to replace Ishant, Umesh+Bhuvi+pace bowler in South Africa

[FischerTal]

Problem is he is no steyn He should just keep working on his swing and bowl with pace its his strength When he is experienced enough and can control swing like steyn and out smart batsman then should redu we pace Steyn when came onto scene was always quick..

true, but at some point, he has to crossover from young pace sensation into a mature bowler.

[Texan]

He didn't play in Vidarbha's game against Kerala.... hope he hasn't aggravated his injury and is just balancing his load.

[rkt.india]

He didn't play in Vidarbha's game against Kerala.... hope he hasn't aggravated his injury and is just balancing his load.

He was not going to play every match.

[Old guy]

true' date=' but at some point, he has to crossover from young pace sensation into a mature bowler.[/quote'] not right now.. good thing about indian cricket right now is most players are very young and have plenty of time to develop. even ishant is very young we might feel he has been here forever but he has plenty of time.. also pujara how old do u think he is ?:winky:

[Vilander]

what are his speeds now?

brisk pace 115-125ks

[FischerTal]

not right now.. good thing about indian cricket right now is most players are very young and have plenty of time to develop. even ishant is very young we might feel he has been here forever but he has plenty of time.. also pujara how old do u think he is ?:winky:

25. Che has all required to be ATG. All he has to do is make sure he doesnt get complacent.

[The Outsider]

brisk pace 115-125ks

Your digs are quite annoying because the best pace bowling performance that the Indian team has put up over the last many years as a unit has been when Prasad was the coach.

[rkt.india]

Your digs are quite annoying because the best pace bowling performance that the Indian team has put up over the last many years as a unit has been when Prasad was the coach.

Their downfall also started under same Prasad especially when he started searching for that outswinger and leg cutters.

[The Outsider]

Their downfall also started under same Prasad especially when he started searching for that outswinger and leg cutters.

No it didn't. Prasad was sacked after the W T20 which was a batting failure and had nothing to do with searching for outswingers and leg cutters.

[rkt.india]

No it didn't. Prasad was sacked after the W T20 which was a batting failure and had nothing to do with searching for outswingers and leg cutters.

That T20 wc was the start of Ishant's down fall that tournament was the first time I saw him trying different things, bowling differently, loss of pace and his action, which became a serious rot later on.

[The Outsider]

That T20 wc was the start of Ishant's down fall that tournament was the first time I saw him trying different things' date=' bowling differently, loss of pace and his action, which became a serious rot later on.[/quote'] Even if I accept that crazy argument - one bowler tries some variations in a masala tournament and fails is enough to debunk a coach with a proven track record over multiple bowlers? Anyhow it's been proven beyond doubt that Ishant is the crap not his coaches since he has changed them multiple times since and still bowls crap.

[rkt.india]

Even if I accept that crazy argument - one bowler tries some variations in a masala tournament and fails is enough to debunk a coach with a proven track record over multiple bowlers? Anyhow it's been proven beyond doubt that Ishant is the crap not his coaches since he has changed them multiple times since and still bowls crap.

Prasad was not removed because of Ishant but because we lost that tournament and someone had to be a scapegoat and Prasad and Robin Singh were easy targets for them. Regarding Ishant, he was never an exceptional bowler, but he was decent and because he listens the coaches whether it was Prasad or now Dawes too much and is still continues to make changes in his approach, he is going down hill. Check him of 2008 and now and you will see the difference.

[The Outsider]

Prasad was not removed because of Ishant but because we lost that tournament and someone had to be a scapegoat and Prasad and Robin Singh were easy targets for them.

I have no clue what you are trying to say. Prasad and Robin were doing a good job and were made scapegoats? I agree, which was my initial and only point before you chose to bring in hazaar other unrelated events. I'll try to put it very simply for you: 1. Someone blamed Prasad for our bowling woes and said his type of coaching would never work. 2. I corrected him and said Prasad did a great job with the bowlers in what has been the best I've seen inexperienced Indian bowlers perform. 3. I further said he was sacked for being a scapegoat for the T20 loss and not due to his bowling coaching. 4. You said he was sacked for asking bowlers to bowl outswingers and leg cutters. 5. I asked you for examples beyond a masala T20 tournament. 6. You offered nothing. 7. Now you are agreeing with my initial premise and still putting up a posture of argument. 8. What am I supposed to understand from this? :dontknow:

[rkt.india]

4. You said he was sacked for asking bowlers to bowl outswingers and leg cutters. :

In which post did I say he was sacked because of these things? I just said it was during his tenure that Ishant started doing different things and in that process lost his bowling action and natural inswing. I didnt say he was dropped because of that. My point was bowler's downfall had started when he was coach.