Swing_n_Speed Posted July 3, 2013 Author Posted July 3, 2013 ^ by younger brother you mean Russia? Secondly if India as you say is the weaker child being bullied around then let's give Snowden refuge. See what aces America has up it's sleeve? Worse comes to worse we'll make a public apology.
Muloghonto Posted July 3, 2013 Posted July 3, 2013 ^ by younger brother you mean Russia? Secondly if India as you say is the weaker child being bullied around then let's give Snowden refuge. See what aces America has up it's sleeve? Worse comes to worse we'll make a public apology. Nono, we are the younger brother. Russia is the big brother that left the moholla to work overseas, then got personality make-over and now just wants to party in Las Vegas and throw money to us when he feels guilty. Ie, not reliable. Older bro right now is America, we just have trust issues with them due to mutual history. Only option is to get on knees and beg for their favor. We are still only 11 years old in this analogy- we know whats going on but need another two-three years before taking any pangaa with anyone. We just need to smile & take it, then deliver the poisoned pill when we are ready. Look at the Brits, they are experts at doing it. They bent over backwards to accomodate America when america was clandestinely funding the IRA. And America was messing with Britain more, the British were more competent than us & they still took it. We are in the same boat. Good news for us, is that we are too big to stay in this boat forever unlike the Brits (who are consigned to being lifetime leeches of America). But we are in that boat. We need to just accept and move on. But khalee peeli pangaa with America on such a high profile case because they spied on us is just a bad idea. (boohoo. Dont tell me we didnt try and fail- its the spy game. everyone likes spying on everyone. We are whining at their competency and our incompetency.) What we need to realize is that America is getting rather annoyed at their wishy-washy allied situation worldwide. Believe it or not, the long term American strategy is not to rule the world but to say 'f-you world, we are the Americas, f-off old world' and go total isolationist. for 220+ years of their independence, they've spent only the last 60 years taking active role outside the Americas. They do it because of oil but America is far moving towards energy independence. Once that happens, USA will exit the world situation and go into its 'Americas only' mode. Patton once said that its a good thing that America has three such dependable allies: The Atlantic, The Pacific and Canada. Unfortunately for us, an exit of Uncle Sam pertains to a worse position than a world dictated to by Uncle Sam. We are nowhere ready- we wont be ready for 50 years- to assume a commanding role on world stage and if US leaves in the next 15-20 years, the giants that will replace them will be China, Russia and the Islamic world. Bad news, very very bad news. But it is comming. Uncle Sam will protect Japan 50 years from now and thats it. Solar power is already starting to reach parity in the best trading days of energy prices and America is currently swimming in shale gas. ( My company invested about 200 million in exploration & basic setup in the shale gas fields of Alberta & Yukon, we shelved those because in the lat 2 years US shale gas exploration & expansion has increased by 4000%. Yes, four thousand percent. ) Once energy independence is achieved, America is going to pretty much give the middle finger to Asia (minus Japan). That day, we need to be in position to step up. Till then, we must do what US wants us to do and keep US interested in the region.
Swing_n_Speed Posted July 3, 2013 Author Posted July 3, 2013 ^^^ Russia has so far backed itsy bitsy Syria to the hilt. I never expected Russia to stay put for so long in the face of such pressure.....aka proving that they are capable of being reliable. I do not knw what USA's long term goals are. I doubt they are gonna leave Israel all to herself though. Secondly America will never go isolationist simply cos America's economic prowess stems from the use of the dollar as a reserve currency for the world. Through raw military strength America strengthens their dollar. That sense I do sense a conflict of interests between mainstream Americans and the American military. Americans have had enough post Iraq and so far the public reaction has been to do absolutely nothing in Syria. But that hasn't stopped their politicians from trying to interfere in another country. I'm curious to see how this plays out. It's a lot like the fall of Rome!
Muloghonto Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 ^^^ Russia has so far backed itsy bitsy Syria to the hilt. I never expected Russia to stay put for so long in the face of such pressure.....aka proving that they are capable of being reliable. Err Russia is not being reliable here, Russia is simply protecting its interests. Russia cares more about Syria than it does India. Why ? Russian naval base in Tarsus. Only foreign naval base of Russia. Not just symbolic, its function is to keep the bosphorus open under any undue Turkish/EU pressure. Its succeeded at this function for 50 years, Russia doesnt want its southern trade to be at Turkey's mercy again. I do not knw what USA's long term goals are. I doubt they are gonna leave Israel all to herself though. Secondly America will never go isolationist simply cos America's economic prowess stems from the use of the dollar as a reserve currency for the world. Through raw military strength America strengthens their dollar. America will stay involved IMO in special case scenarios: britain, israel & Japan are the only non-Americas places it actually cares about. Outside of those, America wouldnt give a toss. American military prowess is not a big issue here- it helps, but what helps far more is American military complex ruling the roost in international weapons trade. That isnt going away anytime soon, isolationist or not, America is gonna sell its military hardware. Dollar as world currency will continue for atleast our lifetimes because nobody wants to take the kind of risk the EU took and struggle this bad. EU has a 'miracle child' in the form of Germany who has so far been able to work their way out of trouble with sheer German manufacturing might but others dont have such a luxury. in anycase, American dollar being reserve currency has little bearing on military of the US. That sense I do sense a conflict of interests between mainstream Americans and the American military. Americans have had enough post Iraq and so far the public reaction has been to do absolutely nothing in Syria. But that hasn't stopped their politicians from trying to interfere in another country. I'm curious to see how this plays out. It's a lot like the fall of Rome! Yep, it does have its Roman parallels and it will be a sad day if they do fall like Rome. When Rome fell, humanity lost as a whole. The same stands to be true if America fails anytime soon. Look, by going isolationist, i dont mean America is going to stick to the US of A. America's primary objective has always been domination of the Americas. Its doing a pretty fabulous job so far in it (itty bitty irritants like Cuba or Venezuela aside, the big ones that do matter- Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina & Chile are essentially American chamchaas of best chamchagiri pedigree). America meets its food, resource & energy security needs by sucking off of rest of the Americas. As it happens, its bloody easy for America to defend it from rest of the world. I dont think you are realizing implications of American energy independence, which is comming. Solar is the new deal, once that happens, the rules of economics are going to be re-written because of, basically, 'free energy' and its logistical dissipation in the americas. But anyhoos, its way way off topic so i am gonna end it here.
beetle Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 Unwarranted nationalistic pride aside' date=' Khurshid is 100% correct. The best outcome for India in foreign relations and diplomacy, for now and for atleast the next 10 years, is to learn from the Japanese on how to become US chamcha #1. Trying to be 'strong & independent India who gives US and everyone else the middle finger' will do wonders to puff up our egos but it will do far more to isolate India and keep us stuck as a 3rd rate power.[/quote'] +1 It's not like we have solved all our problems .Let's not be hypocritical....let's try an become more transparent and work on ourselves first .
zubinpepsi Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 Muloghonto is acting like salman khurshid :hysterical: even Kurshid wouldn't have thought as much as Muloghonto, when he said that.... :hysterical: knowing Khusrhid from his past statements in the media, i doubt if he can even think.. :giggle:
Swing_n_Speed Posted July 5, 2013 Author Posted July 5, 2013 Whoa looking at her I have steam coming out of my ears. Bloody Wowwwwww. She is hawt!
punjabi_khota Posted July 5, 2013 Posted July 5, 2013 Nono, we are the younger brother. Russia is the big brother that left the moholla to work overseas, then got personality make-over and now just wants to party in Las Vegas and throw money to us when he feels guilty. Ie, not reliable. Older bro right now is America, we just have trust issues with them due to mutual history. Only option is to get on knees and beg for their favor. We are still only 11 years old in this analogy- we know whats going on but need another two-three years before taking any pangaa with anyone. We just need to smile & take it, then deliver the poisoned pill when we are ready. Look at the Brits, they are experts at doing it. They bent over backwards to accomodate America when america was clandestinely funding the IRA. And America was messing with Britain more, the British were more competent than us & they still took it. We are in the same boat. Good news for us, is that we are too big to stay in this boat forever unlike the Brits (who are consigned to being lifetime leeches of America). But we are in that boat. We need to just accept and move on. But khalee peeli pangaa with America on such a high profile case because they spied on us is just a bad idea. (boohoo. Dont tell me we didnt try and fail- its the spy game. everyone likes spying on everyone. We are whining at their competency and our incompetency.) What we need to realize is that America is getting rather annoyed at their wishy-washy allied situation worldwide. Believe it or not, the long term American strategy is not to rule the world but to say 'f-you world, we are the Americas, f-off old world' and go total isolationist. for 220+ years of their independence, they've spent only the last 60 years taking active role outside the Americas. They do it because of oil but America is far moving towards energy independence. Once that happens, USA will exit the world situation and go into its 'Americas only' mode. Patton once said that its a good thing that America has three such dependable allies: The Atlantic, The Pacific and Canada. Unfortunately for us, an exit of Uncle Sam pertains to a worse position than a world dictated to by Uncle Sam. We are nowhere ready- we wont be ready for 50 years- to assume a commanding role on world stage and if US leaves in the next 15-20 years, the giants that will replace them will be China, Russia and the Islamic world. Bad news, very very bad news. But it is comming. Uncle Sam will protect Japan 50 years from now and thats it. Solar power is already starting to reach parity in the best trading days of energy prices and America is currently swimming in shale gas. ( My company invested about 200 million in exploration & basic setup in the shale gas fields of Alberta & Yukon, we shelved those because in the lat 2 years US shale gas exploration & expansion has increased by 4000%. Yes, four thousand percent. ) Once energy independence is achieved, America is going to pretty much give the middle finger to Asia (minus Japan). That day, we need to be in position to step up. Till then, we must do what US wants us to do and keep US interested in the region. :hysterical::hysterical: Loony tunes is slipping in some 100% pure crap inside his epic granth-esque posts to check if anyone is reading.
Muloghonto Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 what crap ? United States of America got independence in 1776. Till 1917 USA did not get involved in a single war or diplomatic position that involved Europe, Asia, Africa or Australia. Till 1940, USA had zero inclinations for being active in the world politics (biggest reason why League of Nations failed is because Woodrow Wilson failed to get the Senate to agree to being a part of a world body. The Senate rejected it on the basis of traditional US position of isolationism outside of the Americas). Those are the facts, please check up on them.
FischerTal Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 :hysterical::hysterical: Loony tunes is slipping in some 100% pure crap inside his epic granth-esque posts to check if anyone is reading. :cantstop:
surajmal Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 what crap ? United States of America got independence in 1776. Till 1917 USA did not get involved in a single war or diplomatic position that involved Europe' date=' Asia, Africa or Australia. Till 1940, USA had zero inclinations for being active in the world politics (biggest reason why League of Nations failed is because Woodrow Wilson failed to get the Senate to agree to being a part of a world body. The Senate rejected it on the basis of traditional US position of isolationism outside of the Americas). [b']Those are the facts, please check up on them. Bullshiter strikes again. Monroe Doctrine. (highlighting America's brand of Colonialism/Imperialism/Business/Trade - Call it whatever you want) Battle of Gangwha (Korea) Spanish American Wars. Philippines American War. (part of the S-A serious of battles) Several Engagements Northern Africa dealing with Pirates of different nations. Couple of engagements in Polynesia. Boxer Rebellion.
Stuge Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 :hysterical::hysterical: Loony tunes is slipping in some 100% pure crap inside his epic granth-esque posts to check if anyone is reading. :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:
Sachin=GOD Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 Nicaragua, Venezuela offer asylum to Edward Snowden MANAGUA (NICARAGUA): Presidents Daniel Ortega of Nicaragua and Nicolas Maduro of Venezuela said Friday they were willing to grant asylum to NSA leaker Edward Snowden. Snowden has asked for asylum in several countries, including Nicaragua and Venezuela. "As head of state, the government of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela decided to offer humanitarian asylum to the young American Edward Snowden so that he can live (without) ... persecution from the empire,'' Maduro said, referring to the United States. He made the offer during a speech marking the anniversary of Venezuela's independence. It was not immediately clear if there were any conditions to Venezuela's offer. In Nicaragua, Ortega said he was willing to make the same offer "if circumstances allow it.'' Ortega didn't say what the right circumstances would be when he spoke during a speech in Managua. He said the Nicaraguan embassy in Moscow received Snowden's application for asylum and that it is studying the request. "We have the sovereign right to help a person who felt remorse after finding out how the United States was using technology to spy on the whole world, and especially its European allies,'' Ortega said. The offers came amid the ongoing flap about the rerouting of Bolivian President Evo Morales' plane in Europe earlier this week amid reports that Snowden might have been aboard. Spain on Friday said it had been warned along with other European countries that Snowden, a former US intelligence worker, was aboard the Bolivian presidential plane, an acknowledgement that the manhunt for the fugitive leaker had something to do with the plane's unexpected diversion to Austria. It is unclear whether the United States, which has told its European allies that it wants Snowden back, warned Madrid about the Bolivian president's plane. US officials will not detail their conversations with European countries, except to say that they have stated the U.S.'s general position that it wants Snowden back. President Barack Obama has publicly displayed a relaxed attitude toward Snowden's movements, saying last month that he wouldn't be ``scrambling jets to get a 29-year-old hacker." But the drama surrounding the flight of Bolivian President Evo Morales, whose plane was abruptly rerouted to Vienna after apparently being denied permission to fly over France, suggests that pressure is being applied behind the scenes. Spanish Foreign Minister Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo told Spanish National Television that ``they told us that the information was clear, that he was inside." He did not identify who "they" were and declined to say whether he had been in contact with the U.S. But he said that European countries' decisions were based on the tip. France has since sent a letter of apology to the Bolivian government. Meanwhile, secret-spilling website WikiLeaks said that Snowden, who is still believed to be stuck in a Moscow airport's transit area, had put in asylum applications to six new countries. The organization said in a message posted to Twitter on Friday that it wouldn't be identifying the countries involved ``due to attempted U.S. interference.'' http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/Nicaragua-Venezuela-offer-asylum-to-Edward-Snowden/articleshow/20938499.cms
Muloghonto Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 Bullshiter strikes again. Monroe Doctrine. (highlighting America's brand of Colonialism/Imperialism/Business/Trade - Call it whatever you want) Battle of Gangwha (Korea) Spanish American Wars. Philippines American War. (part of the S-A serious of battles) Several Engagements Northern Africa dealing with Pirates of different nations. Couple of engagements in Polynesia. Boxer Rebellion. Spanish American wars was about the Americas. Phillipines was an offshoot of that. Dealing with piracy was a regular hit or miss activity of any active navy in the atlantic of that time. The brazilians chased pirates all the way to Ghana too. Does not equate to having foreign interests, its just protecting your own local zone. Boxer & Korea incidents were hardly any major US involvement. Both were breif blips, not an active foreign policy towards foriegn power projection. Monroe Doctrine is EXACTLY what i am talking about, mr 'i dont take time to read, just spew'. Monroe Doctrine explicitly states that the US will view any European involvement with nations of North & south America, including further active colonization to be a direct challenge of USA's hegemony over the North & South Americas. It pertains directly to the Americas. Did you miss that part as you hastily googled some keywords ? US had had only one global aim till the 1940s: to control everything between Greenland, Drake Passage & Aleutians. It changed after that due to US dependency on oil & speical considerations club growing (to include UK,Japan & Israel) and US became an active global player later in its history and so far, for a tiny fraction of its existence has been geared towards global domination(70 years out of 220). US could go back to its old policy if US energy security is again met by the Americas (which before the age of oil, ie, in the age of coal, was met by the US itself).
surajmal Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 Spanish American wars was about the Americas. Phillipines was an offshoot of that. Dealing with piracy was a regular hit or miss activity of any active navy in the atlantic of that time. The brazilians chased pirates all the way to Ghana too. Does not equate to having foreign interests, its just protecting your own local zone. Boxer & Korea incidents were hardly any major US involvement. Both were breif blips, not an active foreign policy towards foriegn power projection. Monroe Doctrine is EXACTLY what i am talking about, mr 'i dont take time to read, just spew'. Monroe Doctrine explicitly states that the US will view any European involvement with nations of North & south America, including further active colonization to be a direct challenge of USA's hegemony over the North & South Americas. It pertains directly to the Americas. Did you miss that part as you hastily googled some keywords ? US had had only one global aim till the 1940s: to control everything between Greenland, Drake Passage & Aleutians. It changed after that due to US dependency on oil & speical considerations club growing (to include UK,Japan & Israel) and US became an active global player later in its history and so far, for a tiny fraction of its existence has been geared towards global domination(70 years out of 220). US could go back to its old policy if US energy security is again met by the Americas (which before the age of oil, ie, in the age of coal, was met by the US itself). Gotcha
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