Muzaffarnagar clashes: death toll rises to 12, Army called in

[King Tendulkar]

HISS continues to strike. Arrest warrants have been issued against BJP MLAs' date=' Uma Bharti made hardly veiled threats of violence if these MLAs were arrested at the assembly yesterday, but no no BJP has nothing to do with it.[/quote'] You are starting to sound absurd in your ranting bias!!!

[dial_100]

Modi ... :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: Joke apart. 50+ dead... RIP

[Crookbond]

Aah so the writer picks up a story from SG which shows muslims as victims but conveniently ignores another story from same SG edition (on the same page as well) showing how the partisan attitude of admin led to escalations in violence and that has nothing to do with the narrative the writer is trying to built?

I think you completely side stepped the point of the article, never mind.

[saneindian]

I think you completely side stepped the point of the article' date=' never mind.[/quote'] Really? Appeasement, muslims, systemic bias, incorrect popular perception whcih the author is trying to demolish based on certain media reports and some of his own bias thrown in. I have pointed to how he's ignored reports showing the opposite view in the same source being quoted. But "I side stepped the point of the article".

[Crookbond]

Really? Appeasement' date=' muslims, systemic bias, incorrect popular perception whcih the author is trying to demolish based on certain media reports and some of his own bias thrown in. I have pointed to how he's ignored reports showing the opposite view in the same source being quoted. But "I side stepped the point of the article".[/quote'] Here's what I felt the point of the article was - appeasement is mostly lip service and little actions. The local government has complete hand in these riots for votes. The view which he chose to cite did exist on SG - it is quite immaterial if there exists and opposite one. I think he's under complete right to call (if he feels) that one of the articles was biased.

[Detonator]

Really? Appeasement' date=' muslims, systemic bias, incorrect popular perception whcih the author is trying to demolish based on certain media reports and some of his own bias thrown in. I have pointed to how he's ignored reports showing the opposite view in the same source being quoted. But "I side stepped the point of the article".[/quote'] bias is unbiased if it matches the reader's thought.

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BJP MLA Suresh Rana who made hate speech arrested

[rkt.india]

कुर्सी की दलाली से दंगों की आग में घी डालना और फिर ध्रुवीकरण की लकीर खींच एक ही पार्टी के विधायकों पर कार्यवाई करना अखिलेश यादव के लिए किसी कठिन परीक्षा को पास करने से कम नहीं। 2014 में होनी वाली परीक्षा, हिंदू वादी होने का दंश झेल रही बीजेपी को दंगे के लिए दोषी ठहराकर अखिलेश सरकार ने मुज्जफरनगर के 38 प्रतिशत मुसलमानों को पूल टेबल पर अपनी स्टिक से नचाने का जो प्लान बनाया है ऐसा शायद कांग्रेस भी न बना पाए। अखिलेश के बोर्ड पर आजम खान की बिसात समाज को 1/4 हिस्से में बांटती है, मसलन जाट दलित ब्राह्मण और अन्य कांग्रेस बीजेपी बसपा में बंट जाएँ और यूपी के तमाम मुसलमानों में से 90 प्रतिशत मुसलमान सीधे समाजवादियों के यहाँ सजदा करने लगे । इस सब से प्रदेश के कितने ही इंसानों का खून पानी क्यों न बन जाए ये मंजूर है बस इंसानियत की बाढ समाजवादियों के साम्राज्य को न छू सके ।

[surajmal]

Hints of Islamist radicalism Friday, September 20, 2013 By Tavleen Singh Now that things have calmed down enough in Muzaffarnagar for the Prime Minister and Sonia Gandhi to make a visit the time has come for some dispassionate analysis. Not just of what happened in this particular riot but of what could be happening in Muslim communities across India. In situations of communal tension we have become so accustomed to blaming Hindus that we could be missing something insidious and very dangerous. We could be missing signs of radicalisation in the Muslim community that we do not dare talk about because it is so politically incorrect especially in the aftermath of communal violence that usually results in the death of more Muslims than Hindus. In Muzaffarnagar it has been heartbreaking to see injured children and disturbing to see whole villages emptied of their residents because Muslims fear for their lives. This is why it is easier to blame administrative incompetence and Hindu perfidy than Islamic radicalisation for what happened. But, it is important to confront the reality of radicalization among Indian Muslims and try and deal with it or consequences for the future are likely to be too awful to contemplate. More than a bit of radicalisation In the name of ‘secularism’ neither the government of Akhilesh Yadav nor the Sonia-Manmohan government in Delhi are likely to accept that behind the violence in Muzaffarnagar lies a deeper, darker reality. It manifested itself in the violence with which Muslims responded when the two young Jat men came seeking to avenge their sister’s honour. And, it manifested itself in the rumours that Muslim rioters in the area used automatic weapons to attack Hindus and security forces. Details remain so murky of what actually happened that I called a retired police officer in Lucknow whose analysis I trust and asked him if he had heard that automatic weapons were used. He said he had. This led inevitably to my next question. Did he think there was a bit of radicalisation among Muslims in this part of western Uttar Pradesh? This is how he answered. ‘What do you mean a bit of radicalisation? Have you never heard of the Dar-ul-Uloom in Deoband? This is all the same area and for many years now there has been evidence of jihadi elements and of all kinds of weapons being smuggled into the districts of Muzzafarnagar and Shaamli…so yes there is more than a bit of radicalisation and it has been there since the late eighties, early nineties.’ Remember that it was in a village in western UP, not far from here, where Omar Sheikh imprisoned his foreign hostages in 1994. He was arrested in connection with the kidnappings and remained in an Indian jail cell till he was released in exchange for the passengers of IC-814 five years later. He went on to organise the beheading of Daniel Pearl and other acts of jihadi violence. My point is that the ugly, crowded town of Muzaffarnagar, and its surrounding villages, has long been a hotbed for jihadi violence. It is unfortunate that the media has not gone into this aspect of what happened. All we have had so far are tirades on national TV about how politicians are exploiting the situation for petty political gains. That is an old story. They always do. The new element is the sinister influences of the international jihad and the inability of the ‘secular’ government of Uttar Pradesh to do anything about this or to deal with situations of communal tension with an even hand. From all accounts an even hand was absent in the way in which the Muzaffarnagar violence was handled. The Samajwadi Party government in Lucknow appears to have been tougher on the Hindu community without having managed to impress Muslims by doing this. The most prominent Muslim in the Uttar Pradesh government, Azam Khan, has made his anger public and Muslim organisations in UP have said clearly that they believe that since the Samajwadi government took power eighteen months ago there have been deliberate attempts to polarize Hindus and Muslims. This was confirmed to me by my police officer friend who said leaders of both Hindus and Muslims were responsible for the widening divisions that were now very serious. Would this help Narendra Modi build support once the election campaign begins, I asked, because it would have been impossible not to and he said it would. ‘There is not much support for the BJP,’ he said ‘but there is definitely support for Modi not just because of the polarisation but because he is seen as someone who can deliver. He is seen as a real leader.’ Akhilesh seen as a weak CM This is something that only the next general election will prove but meanwhile it seems as if there is a need for the Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh to show that he understands how dangerous the polarisation is and how urgently he needs to try and address it. So far the reports from Lucknow indicate that Mulayam Singh’s young heir is not so much a leader as a man who believes that he can fool people into voting for him by handing out laptops and wearing a Muslim skullcap. In every other way Akhilesh Yadav has shown that in terms of governance and development he has no new ideas and nothing to offer. He is seen as a weak chief minister and inevitably when there is a weak chief minister in a state that remains famous for the divisions between the communities there will be trouble. Let me end with a final comment from my police officer friend. He said, “You see when a government is seen to not act in an impartial manner in a communal crash the situation automatically worsens and something like this seems to have happened in Muzzafarnagarâ€. It is the worst communal riot that UP has seen in a very long time and that already is an ominous portent in a state with a long history of Hindu-Muslim violence. It comes at a time when turbulence in the Islamic world has affected Indian Muslims and made far too many believe that Western countries are colluding to destroy Islam. There was a time when I heard this kind of thing only in Pakistan but increasingly I hear it from Indian Muslims who in their efforts to identify with the Islamic cause are now more visibly Muslim than they have ever been. You see signs of this from Kashmir to Kanyakumari where Islamic beards on men and hijab on women has become the order of the day.

[The Outsider]

Arrest of BJP MLAs being called a kaanspiraacy by party president, Rajnath Singh. But no BJP had nothing to with it. HISS.

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Arrest of BJP MLAs being called a kaanspiraacy by party president, Rajnath Singh. But no BJP had nothing to with it. HISS.

What about Kangress Mla and SP leader?The SP leader threw a fit because police took action againist a certain community.

[seedhi]

Arrest of BJP MLAs being called a kaanspiraacy by party president, Rajnath Singh. But no BJP had nothing to with it. HISS.

A BSP MLA has also been arrested, and a sitting BSP MP is on the run. It is an all party affair, started by the machinations of the SP which bears the primary responsibility.

[Crookbond]

A BSP MLA has also been arrested' date=' and a sitting BSP MP is on the run. [b']It is an all party affair, started by the machinations of the SP which bears the primary responsibility.

Unfortunately, few people can't seem to get around it.

[CSK Fan]

The Gujrat model being successfully replicated across the country. It was highly succesful in Gujrat so no wonder others want to replicate. Doesnt matter hindu or muslims, its gauranteed to draw in votes

[seedhi]

Unfortunately' date=' few people can't seem to get around it.[/quote']Including the author of the article you posted, which argues for always blaming the BJP more than the Congress or the SP.

[The Outsider]

A BSP MLA has also been arrested' date=' and a sitting BSP MP is on the run. [b']It is an all party affair, started by the machinations of the SP which bears the primary responsibility.

Is it, now? Congress and BSP have nothing to gain from these riots politically. They have their rogue MLA and MPs who did stuff, none of which has been justified by the equivalent of Uma Bharti and Rajnath Singh. SP and BJP are the major culprits.

[seedhi]

Is it, now? Congress and BSP have nothing to gain from these riots politically. They have their rogue MLA and MPs who did stuff, none of which has been justified by the equivalent of Uma Bharti and Rajnath Singh. SP and BJP are the major culprits.

How do you know that the absconding BSP MP is a rogue element? Has he been suspended by the party ? Has any Congress leader who made provocative speeches suspended from the party ? Both the Congress and the BSP are going to benefit from the resentment amongst the Muslims against the ineptitude of the SP govt to control the riots. SP may actually turn out to be the biggest loser I think with the situation going so horribly bad.

[Malcolm Merlyn]

A BSP MLA has also been arrested' date=' and a sitting BSP MP is on the run. It is an all party affair, started by the machinations of the SP which bears the primary responsibility.[/quote'] SP is secular. Sent from my GT-I9500 using Tapatalk 2

[seedhi]

This is what the BSP MP Qadir Rana publicly said (video posted earlier in thread) : "Khuda ki Kasam Muzaffar Nagar main aik Hindu baccha bhi Zinda Nahi bach Payega" Action taken by BSP against him : Nothing. zilch.

[Crookbond]

Including the author of the article you posted' date=' which argues for always blaming the BJP more than the Congress or the SP.[/quote'] You want to get back at me for posting that article - fair enough but please go through the prior pages of the threads and see that folks were incredulous about BJP involvement.