rkt.india Posted September 12, 2013 Posted September 12, 2013 Apple stock takes a hammering in the aftermath of iPhone 5s/5c event Android ftw Apple has a loyal customer base in US. Likes of people who didn't know the difference between Iphone 4S and Iphone 5. They will buy even IShit from Apple blindfolded and they aer not going anywhere. :two_thumbs_up:
rkt.india Posted September 12, 2013 Posted September 12, 2013 1020 blows iphone 5 right out of the water with its image stabilization 1020 is a monster. It has everything OIS, large pixel count which helps get details and zoom, high low-light capabilities, and xenon. It beats some of the point and shoot cameras and easily competes with some entry level DLSRs.
rkt.india Posted September 12, 2013 Posted September 12, 2013 Iphone 5C will cost $549(30-35K) in India and it is a cheap phone.
ravishingravi Posted September 12, 2013 Posted September 12, 2013 If you lose all your fingers i am sure there must be other alternatives to login :cantstop: :cantstop:
rkt.india Posted September 12, 2013 Posted September 12, 2013 This is what Apple’s new ‘cheap’ iPhone 5C will cost in China, India, and Africa Apple’s new iPhone 5C is the answer to China, the answer to India, the answer to the entire developing world that might just crave a little more iOS in their lives, and the answer to Android’s 80 percent global smartphone market share. Or is it? Sure, the starter 16GB iPhone 5C is only $99 with a two-year contract. But that same device will cost first-world slobs like you and me $549 off-contract, if we want to own rather than lease our digital hardware. And will that help translate the mobile map of the world from Apple equals rich to Apple equals all? Let’s put that into local terms for people in developing countries for whom the iPhone 5C is their best shot at owning an Apple device. In China, where one-third of the world’s smartphones are currently being sold, $549 translates to 3359.88 yuan. That’s about an average month’s salary in China, according to this data from 2012, or three months of a bus driver’s monthly salary, according to another source. In other words, buying an iPhone for your average Chinese citizen would be much like buying a cheapish second-hand car for $5,000 to $10,000 in the U.S. That $549 compares to just $130 for a no-contract “Red Rice” phone from emerging Chinese market leader, Xiaomi. Which comes with a 4.7-inch 1080p screen and a quad-core processor … plus, of course, Google’s mobile operating system, Android. That company just passed Apple for sixth place in the Chinese smartphone market. “This price point is approximately $100 above our expectation,” said Brian White of Cantor Fitzgerald today in a research note. In India, home to over a billion of the world’s people, the $549 price point would equate to 35,048 rupees. Since the average annual salary is around 445,520 rupees, or $8,000 USD, the iPhone 5C would cost about a month’s salary as well. Again, it would be like you and me, soft rich Westerners, buying a brand-new top-of-the-line home entertainment system from a top brand-name with a big TV, full surround sound, and maybe the sofa to watch it on, too. Another industry viewer, Markellos Diorinos of mobile monetization company Upstream, has his doubts that this is the product that will bring Apple goodness to the waiting billions. “If Apple designed the iPhone 5C in order to capture emerging markets, then they’ve made a wrong turn,” he said. “According to recent research we conducted, a third of emerging market consumers would pay only $100 or less for a smartphone. Only 15 percent of the 3,500 consumers we polled in emerging markets would pay more than $450 for their mobile device – putting Apple’s hefty price tag way off the mark.” Oops. The situation doesn’t really get better in Nigeria, which is the third-wealthiest African nation, and where an average salary might be in the $1,000-$2,000 range, though many survive on just dollars a day, and some lucky few might take home $30,000. If you’re white-collar middle-class, that means you might be able to use just half or a quarter of your monthly salary on a new iPhone 5C But this cloud has a silver lining. With on-contract pricing starting at just $99, a new, modern iPhone has never been so affordable. And the contact itself is an opportunity, according to Diorinos. “Apple’s high off-contract price tag for the iPhone 5C could be a strategic move to create stronger relationships for the company with MNOs abroad,” he said. “We’ve seen Apple make partnership announcements recently with both China Mobile and Japan’s NTT Docomo, so it could be a move to provide an incentive for subscribers that pushes them to buy their next Apple device through their operator.” Those relationships with Docomo and particularly China Mobile are huge, there’s no question. And there’s also the reality that Apple is a premium brand, which means that going bargain basement would have been a difficult challenge at the quality level Apple wants to maintain, and with the cachet and brand and objéct d’art aura that Apple wants its products to convey. At a very minimum, the iPhone is now more affordable than it ever was, and therefore more available to millions more now than it ever was, and therefore has the potential to sell more now than it ever has — even if some of those world’s lower-income people still cannot afford it. But those will likely still be turning to Android for the lowest-cost smartphones. And maybe not them only: @dylan20 @juhasaarinen @johnkoetsier even in the soft, rich West, bus drivers and rag pickers aren’t buying iPhones. We’re on Android. — Fraser Rolfe (@rephraser) September 10, 2013 The manufacturing cost of this I phone 5C will not even be 200 dollars, might be closer to $150 range because Iphone 5 cost was $207 and C is a cheaper phone.
diga Posted September 12, 2013 Posted September 12, 2013 The manufacturing cost of this I phone 5C will not even be 200 dollars' date=' might be closer to $150 range because Iphone 5 cost was $207 and C is a cheaper phone.[/quote']
hhunaeh Posted September 12, 2013 Posted September 12, 2013 All the man hours spent on design, testing and improving the phone is also added to each phone. It is not just a sum of its chinese parts.
rkt.india Posted September 12, 2013 Posted September 12, 2013 Exactly 207$ for Iphone 5 which was sold at 45,000 in India back when it was launched. For the excess cost of $31 from 16 GB to 64 version, the increment in selling price was $200.
diga Posted September 12, 2013 Posted September 12, 2013 All the man hours spent on design' date=' testing and improving the phone is also added to each phone. It is not just a sum of its chinese parts.[/quote'] Know that buddy, but just posted the BOM cost estimated by iSuppli
rkt.india Posted September 12, 2013 Posted September 12, 2013 All the man hours spent on design' date=' testing and improving the phone is also added to each phone. It is not just a sum of its chinese parts.[/quote'] Those costs are already include these things along with labor.
diga Posted September 12, 2013 Posted September 12, 2013 Those costs are already include these things along with labor. doubt it.. if you see the breakup, the chip vendor will include their development costs while selling the chip, whereas Apple's own iOS development & the platform design/testing is not part of that.
hhunaeh Posted September 12, 2013 Posted September 12, 2013 Those costs are already include these things along with labor. What about the OS, SDKs and the other software. They say the processor is custom designed by apple. And what about how the other parts are put together. They have to design the architecture and test that too. And you have cost of marketing, support and all the swanky stores they have in prime locations around the world. Everything goes into the cost of every phone. I am not saying they are not making a huge profit, but it is not as cheap as those articles make it out to be.
rkt.india Posted September 12, 2013 Posted September 12, 2013 What about the OS' date=' SDKs and the other software. They say the processor is custom designed by apple. And what about how the other parts are put together. They have to design the architecture and test that too. And you have cost of marketing, support and all the swanky stores they have in prime locations around the world. Everything goes into the cost of every phone. I am not saying they are not making a huge profit, but it is not as cheap as those articles make it out to be.[/quote'] Check the user interface cost added above for OS cost, labor cost added as manufacturing cost $8 per phone. Manufacturing is certainly certainly cheap. Cost of everything like processors and OS is added in the above list per phone. $207 (roughly around 12000 rupees at that time) phone was sold at 45,500 in India when launched. Look at the kind of margin they are earning. This is what makes Apple one of the highest profit earning mobile company competing with Samsung neck to neck even when Apple have just one device to sell and Samsung is selling whole host of mobiles for everyone and every range including a 95% share of Android market. A Xiomi red rice is sold at $130 which has a manufacturing cost of $85. Look at the kind of profit Xiomi is making, just $45 and still they have beaten Apple in China. While Apple is making a profit of $169 for adding an increased storage of 64 GB that is worth $31. This is called "chandi kaatna" in hindi if you understand. http://www.phonearena.com/news/Xiaomi-Red-Rice-materials-cost-just-85-quad-core-phone-priced-at-130_id46906 PS: But you must understand that this is the case with all big players like Samsung, LG, HTC, Nokia, Sony in the market. S4 which was sold over 40K in India has a manufacturing cost of around $240-250. They all earn huge margins. Remember Galaxy S2 at 35K once and now it is selling at 20K price. How it happens, with time, when new models come out, the margins as well as the cost of manufacturing both come down.
rkt.india Posted September 12, 2013 Posted September 12, 2013 [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oprUI6nupfc&]First Look: iPhone 5s - YouTube[/ame] :hysterical:
StriKe Posted September 12, 2013 Author Posted September 12, 2013 First Look: iPhone 5s - YouTube :hysterical: :rofl::rofl:
Crookbond Posted September 12, 2013 Posted September 12, 2013 First Look: iPhone 5s - YouTube :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: Every year there is one or the other idiot!
Detonator Posted September 12, 2013 Posted September 12, 2013 Honestly, apple has lost it man. They are exactly behaving like how they are being mocked.
hhunaeh Posted September 12, 2013 Posted September 12, 2013 Check the user interface cost added above for OS cost, labor cost added as manufacturing cost $8 per phone. Manufacturing is certainly certainly cheap. Cost of everything like processors and OS is added in the above list per phone. $207 (roughly around 12000 rupees at that time) phone was sold at 45,500 in India when launched. Look at the kind of margin they are earning. This is what makes Apple one of the highest profit earning mobile company competing with Samsung neck to neck even when Apple have just one device to sell and Samsung is selling whole host of mobiles for everyone and every range including a 95% share of Android market. A Xiomi red rice is sold at $130 which has a manufacturing cost of $85. Look at the kind of profit Xiomi is making, just $45 and still they have beaten Apple in China. While Apple is making a profit of $169 for adding an increased storage of 64 GB that is worth $31. This is called "chandi kaatna" in hindi if you understand. http://www.phonearena.com/news/Xiaomi-Red-Rice-materials-cost-just-85-quad-core-phone-priced-at-130_id46906 PS: But you must understand that this is the case with all big players like Samsung, LG, HTC, Nokia, Sony in the market. S4 which was sold over 40K in India has a manufacturing cost of around $240-250. They all earn huge margins. Remember Galaxy S2 at 35K once and now it is selling at 20K price. How it happens, with time, when new models come out, the margins as well as the cost of manufacturing both come down. user interface cost does not include os costs. How can analysts who who breakup a phone and find out the price of each component know anything about software cost? there is a difference between designing+testing something and manufacturing something. They are not the same. Processor cost is again just the manufacturing cost, not the cost of designing it. As i said, i am not saying apple is not making big money but isuppli report is not giving you the entire picture.
Sachin=GOD Posted September 12, 2013 Posted September 12, 2013 All the man hours spent on design' date=' testing and improving the phone is also added to each phone. It is not just a sum of its chinese parts.[/quote'] seen that there has been no design improvement (or any other kind of improvement), the price shouldn't go up at all :phehehe:
Old guy Posted September 12, 2013 Posted September 12, 2013 seen that there has been no design improvement (or any other kind of improvement)' date=' the price shouldn't go up at all :phehehe:[/quote'] fitting in a 64 bit processor then m7 chip without increasing battery size yet increasing battery life is really impressive! and they fit it again in such small body and light weight phone trust me its very very impressive and needs tons of engineering time even if its minor upgrade
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