randomGuy Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 Why would you want this? Well its obvious. The more the Hindi words are already in common usage, the more is the familiarity with the language and the less is the effort required to learn it.
FischerTal Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 :hahaha: Happens though. I too have a similar experiance. A gujju girl who grew up in coimbatore (my city :proud: ) explained me the tamizh term "kuduthu vachavan da nee". It means that I have given alms to brahma in my previous life, which the God returns favour in this life. literally "brahma kitta kuduthu vachavan". turns out to be true. I was using the term for yrs without knowledge.:giggle: She speaks the pure language, be it tamizh, hindi, english or gujrathi and she doesn't mix up languages. Not just prakash raj is a good polygot. no H please
hhunaeh Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 Well its obvious. The more the Hindi words are already in common usage' date=' the more is the familiarity with the language and the less is the effort required to learn it.[/quote'] yea right, south indians should dilute their languages so that they can hindi better. I don't think you understand how offensive this sounds. maybe you wanted to sound offensive and i just took the bait.
randomGuy Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 yea right' date=' south indians should dilute their languages so that they can hindi better. I don't think you understand how offensive this sounds. maybe you wanted to sound offensive and i just took the bait.[/quote'] Please do not take offense because this is a personal opinion. If a language(Hindi in this case) is understood by 80% of my country and my own mother tongue is understood just in my state, I'd prefer for all my state-people to understand that language even at the cost of diluting my mother tongue's common-usage vocab with that language. Afterall several English words are also already part of common usage, and these are words for which there are easy words available in local language, for ex. most Hindi speakers say 'Example' instead of the Hindi word Udahran
hhunaeh Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 Please do not take offense because this is a personal opinion. If a language(Hindi in this case) is understood by 80% of my country and my own mother tongue is understood just in my state, I'd prefer for all my state-people to understand that language even at the cost of diluting my mother tongue's common-usage vocab with that language. Afterall several English words are also already part of common usage, and these are words for which there are easy words available in local language, for ex. most Hindi speakers say 'Example' instead of the Hindi word Udahran first of all, 80% of the country does not understand hindi(it doesn't need to either. Is there an economic imperative like learning english?A big no). I don't know where you got those numbers from. Your opinion of south indians diluting their languages to understand somesone many states away doesn't make sense. When there is regional proximity there is already intermingling going on. That is why south indians find it easier to speak other south indian languages. Finally languages reflects the way of thinking and the culture of a set of people. When languages vanish so does a way of thinking and living. Asking someone to dilute their language is like asking them to give up a way of living. This goes against our unity in diversity concept. We have diversity in the way people lead their lives. You cannot wish this away just so that a few arrogant migrants have it easier in south indian states
ganeshran Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 People will learn whatever language they need to learn in order to make a living. It is not upto the government to legislate on what languages everyone should speak.
randomGuy Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 Entry (pravesh) Exit (nikas) departure (prasthaan) arrival (aagman) process (prakriya) I didn't realize if I commonly used Hindi words for the above instead of the English words, it would have changed my way of thinking and the way I live. Thanks for letting me know. Besides that, I feel you didnt take what I tried to convey in the way it was meant to, but that's fine. Also, You can safely assume most Marathis, Bengalis, Oriyas, Gujratis etc understand basic Hindi. Hindi is understood by 80% - thats not a wrong assumption.
SLICKR392 Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 Yes' date=' true. But I found one lady in a bad mood. It happens. I helped the guy out by translating to that lady. So, it doesn't mean everybody would be ready to do it.[/quote'] Diggas are always pissed and annoying sometimes.
hhunaeh Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 Entry (pravesh) Exit (nikas) departure (prasthaan) arrival (aagman) process (prakriya) I didn't realize if I commonly used Hindi words for the above instead of the English words, it would have changed my way of thinking and the way I live. Thanks for letting me know. Besides that, I feel you didnt take what I tried to convey in the way it was meant to, but that's fine. Also, You can safely assume most Marathis, Bengalis, Oriyas, Gujratis etc understand basic Hindi. Hindi is understood by 80% - thats not a wrong assumption. I see by diluting local language with a language of no use to me, you meant swapping 5 words, oh its all ok then. sorry i didn't know randomguy's definition of diluting my mother tongue meant exchanging 5 words. :two_thumbs_up: :two_thumbs_up:
SLICKR392 Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 There is a definite localisation movement in Bangalore' date=' and that's partly driven by the arrogance and stubbornness of NI settlement here. I have seen NI going into a South Indian restaurant, and asking for Northie food in Hindi. And they act like prima donnas complaining at every small thing. Even racist comments. That's just asking for trouble.[/quote'] My friend's parents (Nagpur) having issues with 'South Indian' vegetables. :cantstop:
randomGuy Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 I see by diluting local language with a language of no use to me, you meant swapping 5 words, oh its all ok then. sorry i didn't know randomguy's definition of diluting my mother tongue meant exchanging 5 words. :two_thumbs_up: :two_thumbs_up: You are welcome to think anything abt me or my definitions my friend but be certain that there are hundreds, possibly thousand+(I dont know precisely tbh) common english words which are chosen over the corresponding hindi words or are used interchangeably with them. In above sentence itself, word(shabd) common(saadhaaran) english(angrezi) hundreds(sainkdon) are some more examples of such common words.
randomGuy Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 welcome(swagat), definition(paribhasha), friend(mitr) etc from the same single sentence....
hhunaeh Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 You are welcome to think anything abt me or my definitions my friend but be certain that there are hundreds, possibly thousand+(I dont know precisely tbh) common english words which are chosen over the corresponding hindi words or are used interchangeably with them. In above sentence itself, word(shabd) common(saadhaaran) english(angrezi) hundreds(sainkdon) are some more examples of such common words. I see, so south indians should dilute their languages with "I dont know precisely tbh" number of words from a language useless to them just so that they can understand that useless language and start killing their own language in the process?
randomGuy Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 I see' date=' so south indians should dilute their languages with "I dont know precisely tbh" number of words from a language useless to them just so that they can understand that useless language and start killing their own language in the process?[/quote'] Again, Not asking you to crusade or to start a revolution for it. Your basic outlook is different from mine. I wouldn't view a lang. which is understood at by far the largest percentage (at around 80%) of my country as being useless for me.
hhunaeh Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 Again, Not asking you to crusade or to start a revolution for it. Your basic outlook is different from mine. I wouldn't view a lang. which is understood at by far the largest percentage (at around 80%) of my country as being useless for me. You seem to have a way with numbers. They are exactly what you wish they are. I don't know how you do it. It must be some kind of magic. When people feel the need they will learn whatever language they want, if there is no pressing need for it then it is useless to them. As of now english and a local language will do for most south indians who stay in south india. People who want to learn hindi will do so. There is no need for any dilution of local language. I have never heard of this dilution of local language to learn a new language approach. In regions close by the exchange of vocabulary and language happens naturally in large numbers. Another way new words are introduced in a language is when people learn a language like english needed to earn a living, they add a few words to their local language, some times they encounter words which have no equivalent in their own language, some times some aholes decide to colonize a state and make it necessary for people of that state to learn a new language or learn some words from it. People just don't go about diluting their local language just so that some out stater can understand their language. So you don't need dilution either to learn a new language or to please some arrogant out stater.
Detonator Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 ^ dude, mandarin is the most spoken language, followed by spanish nd english. And engilish is the most common secondary language spoken by 80% of human population. we southies just follow world order. :D
randomGuy Posted November 13, 2013 Posted November 13, 2013 The difference of outlook comes out even more. There might be no 'pressing need' but its nice to still learn it. there would be many smaller factors such as being able to learn a lang. which is by far the most understood lang. pan India( from the streets to Indian teams dressing room to pan India talent shows such as DID, Indian idol, even MTV roadies :D etc notice how these shows go down till Bangalore but almost never to chennai), for being able to appreciate most creative n entertainment and options wise the most rich music n movie industry. The single biggest reason again ofcourse, is that its understood by far the most percentage of your country at around 80%. But yeah, don't do it for the arrogant north Indian. Also, do not take it as a threat to the way you think, to the way you live or as a threat to your culture.
EnterTheVoid Posted November 13, 2013 Author Posted November 13, 2013 [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJcnsq-MzFc]Raghuvaran insults Dhanush - Yaaradi Nee Mohini - YouTube[/ame] A masterclass in acting :hatsoff:
Mariyam Posted November 13, 2013 Posted November 13, 2013 Thats one reason he gets so many roles Are his language skills the reason he gets the roles? Many Non South Indian female leads get roles in South Indian movies without knowing a word of the local language. Ditto with many of the regular Bollywood villains and side actors too who manage to get roles in the South.
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