Trichromatic Posted December 28, 2013 Posted December 28, 2013 Dhoni will win 2015 WC and series in SA and Australia
CSK Fan Posted December 28, 2013 Posted December 28, 2013 It's got nothing to do with captaincy you clown. Try winning anything with a na-mard bowling attack. It's a miracle that Dhoni has been able to achieve anything at all with the impotent bowling units he's had to work with. Love how you put the blame on our bowling When someone like BK blasts onto the scene and outbowls all other team's bowler in CT and then he is dropped after one poor match then YES the captain has to be blamed When someone like Yadav gets zero support for bowling fast and he is left out of the team, then YES the captain has to be blamed When there is clearly no plan to develop bowlers, no long term plan to focus on bowling, then YES, captain has to be blamed. When despite knowing bowling is our weakness, we go with only 3 bowlers and an all rounder, then YES, captain is to be blamed When ishant gets selected after one good match while BK is discarded after one bad match then YES, the captain is to be blamed. He is to be blamed for picking Ishant again and again and again There is a reason even when we have good talents like BK, Shami, who burst onto the scene with great performances they then fall away after few matches. The defensive captaincy, the bowling being used as a defensive option, the favoritism for certain players, all contribute to our bowling being toothless. There is a reason our batting has grown strength to strength with youngsters, we had players like Dravid, Sachin to groom youngsters and show direction. But if our bowling is going nowhere, you cannot blame lack of skills. Shammi, BK, etc have all shown they do have skills. Yet slowly, they lose potency, become focused on saving runs and being defensive. And YES, captaincy has to be blamed If you were in Yadav's place and not being selected again and again, wouldn't you cut down on pace too?
CSK Fan Posted December 28, 2013 Posted December 28, 2013 Till now this series has been good for us, right? But I guess this is once again for the 0-8 two years back. This is very likely going to be 1-0 for SA
bulbul Posted December 28, 2013 Posted December 28, 2013 ^ NO SA is even more defensive than Dhoni :giggle:
Pagalpanti Posted December 28, 2013 Posted December 28, 2013 This is very likely going to be 1-0 for SA 4th day is gonna get washed out mostly. with 100 more overs left, its going to be a draw. Our bowling screwed us big time, best chance of a series victory in SA :((
jf1gp_1 Posted December 28, 2013 Posted December 28, 2013 its disappointing most on this forum chose to talk about negative than focus or even highlight how you have two teams playing hard and in a way classic way of playing test cricket. SA showing why they are No 1 and a young indian side showing why they will be a force in a few years.
JourneyMan Posted December 28, 2013 Posted December 28, 2013 Love how you put the blame on our bowling When someone like BK blasts onto the scene and outbowls all other team's bowler in CT and then he is dropped after one poor match then YES the captain has to be blamed When someone like Yadav gets zero support for bowling fast and he is left out of the team, then YES the captain has to be blamed When there is clearly no plan to develop bowlers, no long term plan to focus on bowling, then YES, captain has to be blamed. When despite knowing bowling is our weakness, we go with only 3 bowlers and an all rounder, then YES, captain is to be blamed When ishant gets selected after one good match while BK is discarded after one bad match then YES, the captain is to be blamed. He is to be blamed for picking Ishant again and again and again There is a reason even when we have good talents like BK, Shami, who burst onto the scene with great performances they then fall away after few matches. The defensive captaincy, the bowling being used as a defensive option, the favoritism for certain players, all contribute to our bowling being toothless. There is a reason our batting has grown strength to strength with youngsters, we had players like Dravid, Sachin to groom youngsters and show direction. But if our bowling is going nowhere, you cannot blame lack of skills. Shammi, BK, etc have all shown they do have skills. Yet slowly, they lose potency, become focused on saving runs and being defensive. And YES, captaincy has to be blamed If you were in Yadav's place and not being selected again and again, wouldn't you cut down on pace too? Since you bothered to write more in one post than I do in an entire week, I'll agree with you :hatsoff: EDIT: When they DO get selected and you bash them I'll be bumping this thread :D
Number Posted December 28, 2013 Posted December 28, 2013 its disappointing most on this forum chose to talk about negative than focus or even highlight how you have two teams playing hard and in a way classic way of playing test cricket. SA showing why they are No 1 and a young indian side showing why they will be a force in a few years. Is it a fricking joke ? with this **** bowling line up we will not win a single test in SA, Eng, Aus. Does that count as a force ? Our bowlers got 4 wickets in the 4 session of a test, that's an embarrassment. Its not ODI or T20 where batsmen will slog us out of trouble and win us games.
saneindian Posted December 28, 2013 Posted December 28, 2013 Is it a fricking joke ? with this **** bowling line up we will not win a single test in SA, Eng, Aus. Does that count as a force ? Our bowlers got 4 wickets in the 4 session of a test, that's an embarrassment. Its not ODI or T20 where batsmen will slog us out of trouble and win us games. At one stage we were 320/5 in 106 overs SA are 299/5 in 105 overs The two bowling units are equally incompetent? Other than Zaheer all 4 bowlers have given it their best. Sometimes rather than abusing the skipper or the bowlers, it doesn't hurt to give credit to the batsman. Counterattack by AB was brilliant and he's made a lot of difference today.
jf1gp_1 Posted December 28, 2013 Posted December 28, 2013 Is it a fricking joke ? with this **** bowling line up we will not win a single test in SA, Eng, Aus. Does that count as a force ? Our bowlers got 4 wickets in the 4 session of a test, that's an embarrassment. Its not ODI or T20 where batsmen will slog us out of trouble and win us games. as i said upto you how you want to view current situation, i expected 2-0 lose but we are walking away with a drawn series. Series was drawn not being Indian failed to take 20 wicket but it will be drawn because both the teams failed to take 20 wickets SA has better bowlers than us. 1st test seems close but india could have set a very defensive field and we would have walk out with a draw 1 hr after tea.
SLICKR392 Posted December 28, 2013 Posted December 28, 2013 Love how you put the blame on our bowling When someone like BK blasts onto the scene and outbowls all other team's bowler in CT and then he is dropped after one poor match then YES the captain has to be blamed When someone like Yadav gets zero support for bowling fast and he is left out of the team, then YES the captain has to be blamed When there is clearly no plan to develop bowlers, no long term plan to focus on bowling, then YES, captain has to be blamed. When despite knowing bowling is our weakness, we go with only 3 bowlers and an all rounder, then YES, captain is to be blamed When ishant gets selected after one good match while BK is discarded after one bad match then YES, the captain is to be blamed. He is to be blamed for picking Ishant again and again and again There is a reason even when we have good talents like BK, Shami, who burst onto the scene with great performances they then fall away after few matches. The defensive captaincy, the bowling being used as a defensive option, the favoritism for certain players, all contribute to our bowling being toothless. There is a reason our batting has grown strength to strength with youngsters, we had players like Dravid, Sachin to groom youngsters and show direction. But if our bowling is going nowhere, you cannot blame lack of skills. Shammi, BK, etc have all shown they do have skills. Yet slowly, they lose potency, become focused on saving runs and being defensive. And YES, captaincy has to be blamed If you were in Yadav's place and not being selected again and again, wouldn't you cut down on pace too? Stop using Yadav as your defense card. You wanted him dropped ahead of BK as well. You barely care if he is in the team or not but what pissed you off is the exclusion of BK. You brought up Dhoni's favoritism towards Mohit over BK the day both were dropped from the side, 2nd ODI against SA. Point is don't bring up Yadav to have a go at someone, you never really gave a damn about him not being in the XI on the first place. Have as much go as you want against Dhoni, but you should be the first guy not to bring up Yadav's exclusion from the side.
CG Posted December 28, 2013 Posted December 28, 2013 At one stage we were 320/5 in 106 overs SA are 299/5 in 105 overs The two bowling units are equally incompetent? Other than Zaheer all 4 bowlers have given it their best. Sometimes rather than abusing the skipper or the bowlers, it doesn't hurt to give credit to the batsman. Counterattack by AB was brilliant and he's made a lot of difference today. Yup ,I mean we were 181-1 on day 1 and this is day 3 when pitch is best for batting , rains came and gave steyn and co break and they destroyed us after that in morning session yesterday.
jf1gp_1 Posted December 28, 2013 Posted December 28, 2013 At one stage we were 320/5 in 106 overs SA are 299/5 in 105 overs The two bowling units are equally incompetent? Other than Zaheer all 4 bowlers have given it their best. Sometimes rather than abusing the skipper or the bowlers, it doesn't hurt to give credit to the batsman. Counterattack by AB was brilliant and he's made a lot of difference today. this is the problem with t20 generation, no clue how test cricket is either played or how you weigh different match situation.
Number Posted December 28, 2013 Posted December 28, 2013 At one stage we were 320/5 in 106 overs SA are 299/5 in 105 overs The two bowling units are equally incompetent? Other than Zaheer all 4 bowlers have given it their best. Sometimes rather than abusing the skipper or the bowlers, it doesn't hurt to give credit to the batsman. Counterattack by AB was brilliant and he's made a lot of difference today. Yes, keep playing Ishant for 100 tests till he breaks Bradman's record, he gives his best.
bulbul Posted December 28, 2013 Posted December 28, 2013 SA should have 350 by now if not for their horrible defensive batting
saneindian Posted December 28, 2013 Posted December 28, 2013 Yes' date=' keep playing Ishant for 100 tests till he breaks Bradman's record, he gives his best.[/quote'] Series to poori ho jaane de bhai
Number Posted December 28, 2013 Posted December 28, 2013 Series to poori ho jaane de bhai I was talking about long term there. How can we win if our 3 pace bowlers are not even taking a single wicket in one day. Here Jadeja is doing his bit on a dry surface hence 5 wickets but thats not gonna happen so often in SA,AUS or Eng. Our planning wrt pace bowlers needs to improve, in case of Ishant it has been a disaster. Don't you agree ?
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