Fast bowling in swing, seam, bounce friendly conditions

[vvvslaxman]

England, SA, OZ and NZ generally assist seam, swing, bounce due to conditions and its nature of pitches unlike other countries. This is the stat for fast bowling in cricket history in these parts (min 3000 balls 50 overs) http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=1;class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=5;orderby=bowling_average;orderbyad=reverse;qualmin1=3000;qualval1=balls;template=results;type=bowling

[vvvslaxman]

Some epic numbers from Harmison and Ishant :hatsoff:

[vvvslaxman]

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=1;class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=5;orderby=bowling_average;orderbyad=reverse;qualmin1=2400;qualval1=balls;template=results;type=bowling If you make it 40 overs minimum Ishu still figures at 2 lol. worse than Agarkar, Sami.

[Vijy]

It goes on to prove a point that I've suspected: most of our pacers perform better in pacer-unfriendly conditions than in favourable conditions. Zak has a good record in these countries but both Kapil and Sri have records poorer than their overall records. The same also holds true, to a much higher degree, for Ishant and Prabhakar.

[vvvslaxman]

It goes on to prove a point that I've suspected: most of our pacers perform better in pacer-unfriendly conditions than in favourable conditions. Zak has a good record in these countries but both Kapil and Sri have records poorer than their overall records. The same also holds true' date=' to a much higher degree, for Ishant and Prabhakar.[/quote'] Kapil atleast took wickets. His record looks worse because he had no support. So he had to bowl long fruitless spells.

[Vijy]

Kapil atleast took wickets. His record looks worse because he had no support. So he had to bowl long fruitless spells.

I'm not saying that Kapil or Sri had bad records - I only said that their records in these countries put together are worser than their career avgs. As for Kapil, he didn't have pace-bowling support either home or abroad. At home, he did have the spinners and that probably contributed. Nevertheless, I cannot help but feel that most Indian pacers developed skills better suited to Indian pitches than to abroad pitches - which is only natural and to be expected.

[Number]

I'm not saying that Kapil or Sri had bad records - I only said that their records in these countries put together are worser than their career avgs. As for Kapil' date=' he didn't have pace-bowling support either home or abroad. At home, he did have the spinners and that probably contributed. Nevertheless, I cannot help but feel that most Indian pacers developed skills better suited to Indian pitches than to abroad pitches - which is only natural and to be expected.[/quote'] On Indian pitches they have 1. Runs to bowl with which is not there overseas. 2. Support from other end by spinners, which again is not effective overseas.

[gaurav92]

Ishant the true Legund :hatsoff:

[Number]

Ishant the true Legund :hatsoff:

It is not his fault. He has bowled himself out of the team comfortably. Blame goes to selectors and well of course....

[South_Paw]

It goes on to prove a point that I've suspected: most of our pacers perform better in pacer-unfriendly conditions than in favourable conditions. Zak has a good record in these countries but both Kapil and Sri have records poorer than their overall records. The same also holds true' date=' to a much higher degree, for Ishant and Prabhakar.[/quote'] That might be because all the life they only learnt on how to bowl over falt pitches. Even to make use of the pacer friendly conditions, you atleast need some basic experience which our bowlers will never get.

[Vijy]

Prasad has a better overseas record in these countries (31.47) as compared to career avg (35.00)

[moniker]

Surprising to see someone like Ntini having such poor numbers.

[tweaker]

Prasad at his peak had a good bowling performance in England sa

[Trichromatic]

Waqar and Steyn averaging 29 and Zak 30?

[vvvslaxman]

Around 30 to 35 forgivable. Anything beyond that is ridiculous. 57 is just pure trash. I cannot fathom how he keeps getting picked.

[coffee_rules]

Bad Average made up by SR/Wkts/Econ is acceptable. Byr Ave57/SR96 is unacceptable. Still getting selected year after year is downright stupid selection. Zkhan our best overseas bowler is not surprising. Even he didn't have a lot of support like KDev.

[Marut]

Anything above 40 in these conditions is criminal.

[Marut]

On Indian pitches they have 1. Runs to bowl with which is not there overseas. 2. Support from other end by spinners, which again is not effective overseas.

You have to try to bowl fuller than in India here.

[Marut]

Bad Average made up by SR/Wkts/Econ is acceptable. Byr Ave57/SR96 is unacceptable. Still getting selected year after year is downright stupid selection. Zkhan our best overseas bowler is not surprising. Even he didn't have a lot of support like KDev.

Bad average almost always coexists with bad s/r, economy and wickets. There is no bowler averaging 40 with a s/r of say, less than 60.

[coffee_rules]

Bad average almost always coexists with bad s/r' date=' economy and wickets. There is no bowler averaging 40 with a s/r of say, less than 60.[/quote'] Ntini, Chris Martin, Anderson, Umar Gul all have high averages, but around 60s SR.