Switchblade Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Ishant Sharma has stopped learning, feel former stars http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/series-tournament/india-in-new-zealand-2014/top-stories/Ishant-Sharma-has-stopped-learning-feel-former-stars/articleshow/29256758.cms India captain Mahendra Singh Dhoni may have given a long rope to an erratic Ishant Sharma :haha: but his indifferent performances on Thursday came in for sharp criticism from former players who said it was high time the lanky paceman was dropped as he has "stopped learning". The former players said that Ishant has now played more than 50 Tests and such a poor display from him could no longer be accepted as it was affecting the team's performance. Former Indian seamer Madan Lal and noted fast bowling coach TA Sekar said that there are "plenty of mistakes" that need to be rectified if the Delhi speedster wants to regain form of 2007-08. "I don't whether it is about pressure of performing or not but Ishant has stopped learning. He is not a 'baccha' (kid) anymore. He has played over 50 Test matches and he should have been a strike bowler and leader of pace attack", Madan Lal, a former India coach and national selector said. "I think it's high time that Indian team management tries out Ishwar Pandey. You have to pick bowlers, who would win games for you. Look at Mohammed Shami. When he runs in, you feel that he is going to get wickets for you. I don't get that feeling when I see Ishant bowling," he said. 25-year-old Ishant has got only 149 wickets in 53 Test matches and has a strike-rate as low as 69.7 (nearly 11.3 overs) per wicket while average runs per wicket is nearly 40 (38.81). He has only three five-wicket hauls in 53 Tests so far. In one-dayers, Ishant has got only 102 wickets from 72 ODIs with an economy rate of close to 6 run per over (5.72) and not a single five-wicket haul. In fact, he has got four wickets only four times in 72 ODIs. Asked about what kind of problems he is having, Lal, who has also been Delhi coach and a hero of the 1983 World Cup winning squad, said that the gangly pacer was trying to stop runs which is not possible. "If you try to stop runs, it can never happen in international cricket. You have to pick wickets and know the art of dismissing batsmen. Ishant is not trying to pick wickets. He is simply not pitching the ball in right area and trying to bowl too fast," Lal explained. Sekar, who has been legendary Dennis Lillee's assistant for over two decades at India's pace bowling cradle MRF Pace foundation feels that the bowler is just "putting the ball rather than bowling it". "There are two many mistakes in his bowling. Firstly, he is just putting the ball rather than bowling it. His turnover timing while delivering the ball is wrong while he doesn't have his wrists and fingers right behind the seam as it should be," Sekar, who has worked with premier fast bowlers like Javagal Srinath, Venkatesh Prasad, Zaheer Khan at MRF pace academy, said. "As far as turnover is concerned it happens as the bowler loads up for the delivery. The latest that you can have is below the shoulder level while ideal is below the waist level. For Ishant, it is beyond the shoulder level and above," Sekar, who had once corrected Brett Lee's technical problem on his guru Lillee's advice, commented. Sekar is also critical about Ishant not being able to get movement as "he doesn't hold the seam in between the fingers". "In order to get nip off the pitch, you need to have the seam position in between fingers. When you deliver the ball, then it would 'back-spin' in the air and after landing would show movement," Sekar added. Both Lal and Sekar feel that bowling coach Joe Dawes needs to address these mistakes that have crept in Ishant's bowling. "I don't think a bowling coach's job is to wear those big gloves during the break and gather the balls or jog a round or two with the players. I am not very sure also whether Ishant knows about what are the mistakes that are there in his bowling," Sekar said. Link to comment
adi B Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Dhobi won't change the team... He's a mountain troll... Even if he's forced to select Aaron, he'll not support him in the match, give him random spells, keep his quota un-finished, if possible try to deny him any wickets and generally show his indifference or dis-pleasure towards Aaron.. These are all tried and tested Dhobi tactics and we have seen these on many occasions earlier... Absolutely..meanwhile no point in discussing tactics because as usual,dhoni will come out at the toss and say unchanged 11.. Link to comment
cowboysfan Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 "In order to get nip off the pitch, you need to have the seam position in between fingers. When you deliver the ball, then it would 'back-spin' in the air and after landing would show movement," Sekar added. ---------------------------------------- isnt this what RKT has been saying forever about ishant? how is this guy been supported by Dhoni for so long? Link to comment
Lord Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 that also shows Dawes is useless.hes not seeing problem everyone is Link to comment
adi B Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 The squad is pretty poor with mediocre replacements..I'd play Aaron for pishant and pandey for ashwin..have a freakish long tail,so be it..better pick some kiwi wkts and get them out for.less than 270 rather than having avg hitters Like ashwin,binny in the end who"ll more often than not.choke while chasing 8-9 an over.. Best interest for india should be to bat 1st and test nzl's batting while chasing,play rahane as an opener and nohit at 2 down Link to comment
CG Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 that also shows Dawes is useless.hes not seeing problem everyone is Atleast under simmons ishant got his pace back now he is just not even a club bowler.we can hire some good coaches who can correct technical problems and help in match planning but we stuck with the same deadwood. Link to comment
CG Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Bat first and u solve many problems. Link to comment
Lord Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Atleast under simmons ishant got his pace back now he is just not even a club bowler.we can hire some good coaches who can correct technical problems and help in match planning but we stuck with the same deadwood. agree we need to let go of obsession of foreign coaches and appoint guys like Sekar who clearly know what they are talking.Appoint a foreigner only if hes good like Pont Link to comment
Switchblade Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 T.A Sekhar is a good option as a bowling coach but the important thing is if these guys want to learn or not Link to comment
StriKe Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Open a betting thread on this :orderorder: Link to comment
adi B Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Pandy in place of Ashwin, Aaron in place of Ishant. Now 4 quicks and Jadeja. Raina should bat at 7. Dhoni at 5. Rohit at 6 for now. Jadeja at 4.(Best spot for him, he can construct his innings responsibly and accelerate at the end). This will help groom and develop him as an all-rounder. Kohli at 3. Dhawan and Rahane opening. Plus we would have Bhuvi another all-rounder potential at 8. This would be an almost perfect squad. Absolutely..India have to go with 4 pacers this time,binny is ****,bits and pieces of player who"ll contribute zilch with the bowl,might score a quick 15-20 but that's all.. Almost 90% of the wickets in this series have been picked by the pacers do play proper pacers,forget thr long tail,just worry about picking 10 nzl wkts Link to comment
Switchblade Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 agree we need to let go of obsession of foreign coaches and appoint guys like Sekar who clearly know what they are talking.Appoint a foreigner only if hes good like Pont Lagta hai Dawes tumhari IPL team pe zyada time spend kar raha hai :headshake: Link to comment
Lord Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Lagta hai Dawes tumhari IPL team pe zyada time spend kar raha hai :headshake: kaash kare aur kisi bowler ko toh theek kare:giggle: Link to comment
Switchblade Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 kaash kare aur kisi bowler ko toh theek kare:giggle: Kisey karega yar Praveen Kumar ko ya RP ko is time :giggle: Link to comment
Lord Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Kisey karega yar Praveen Kumar ko ya RP ko is time :giggle: youngsters like Sandeep and maybe Kaul this time:pray: Link to comment
Switchblade Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 youngsters like Sandeep and maybe Kaul this time:pray: Kaul was with DD last time looks a good prospect Link to comment
Cricket_Hacker Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 But captain will get banned Link to comment
The Realist Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 25-year-old Ishant has got only 149 wickets in 53 Test matches and has a strike-rate as low as 69.7 (nearly 11.3 overs) per wicket while average runs per wicket is nearly 40 (38.81). He has only three five-wicket hauls in 53 Tests so far. In one-dayers, Ishant has got only 102 wickets from 72 ODIs with an economy rate of close to 6 run per over (5.72) and not a single five-wicket haul. In fact, he has got four wickets only four times in 72 ODIs. Those are F AWFUL stats - somebody needs to shove them under Dhoni's bedroom whilst he is being serviced by Sharma. Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Dhoni will bring Binny in place of Ishant to strengthen the lower order batting and will bowl Raina' date=' Binny, Kohli for 10-15 overs.[/quote'] Brilliant so instead of chasing 320 we chase 380. And binny will compensate the extra runs with his superb batting! Jeez Link to comment
Laaloo Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Lol suggesting binny in the team and the hack jadeja at number 4 :hysterical: Afridi90 1 Link to comment
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