putrevus Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 How many wickets those spinners have picked up overseas? Which spinner you are talking about asswin and jadeja , they have not picked many but when playing with five bowlers you want 3 fast bowlers plus 2 spinners. Unless it is greentop how many fast bowlers you want in the team.i dont think india can win with four bowlers they just are not good enough and no batsman can bowl on this team.
rkt.india Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 Which spinner you are talking about asswin and jadeja , they have not picked many but when playing with five bowlers you want 3 fast bowlers plus 2 spinners. Unless it is greentop how many fast bowlers you want in the team.i dont think india can win with four bowlers they just are not good enough and no batsman can bowl on this team. You can have 2 spinners only if they are good and can give you wickets overseas. Otherwise, they are just numbers if they will bowl like Ashwin in SA and Jadeja in NZ. A pacer usually has more chances of getting wickets in these conditions than a spinner. he can also share work load of other paces and that is what was our Achilles heal on last 2 tours. Both other teams had lieks of Kallis and Anderson and Neesham to do that. we did not have any. Our spinners are not really crafty like Herath has shown. They need pitch to help them to be really effective. If you are going with 5 bowlers, I will go with 4 pacers and 1 spinner in Ashwin who can bat well too.
putrevus Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 You can have 2 spinners only if they are good and can give you wickets overseas. Otherwise, they are just numbers if they will bowl like Ashwin in SA and Jadeja in NZ. A pacer usually has more chances of getting wickets in these conditions than a spinner. he can also share work load of other paces and that is what was our Achilles heal on last 2 tours. Both other teams had lieks of Kallis and Anderson and Neesham to do that. we did not have any. Our spinners are not really crafty like Herath has shown. They need pitch to help them to be really effective. If you are going with 5 bowlers, I will go with 4 pacers and 1 spinner in Ashwin who can bat well too. Herath picked one wicket that too of liam plunkett so let us not get carried away.herath made his career on dust bowls of lanka against weak teams. Since we dont have any kallis or all rounder, asswin will be our version , 3+2 is the way to go but i doubt dhobi will do it , he is too insecure .
rkt.india Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 Herath picked one wicket that too of liam plunkett so let us not get carried away.herath made his career on dust bowls of lanka against weak teams. Since we dont have any kallis or all rounder, asswin will be our version , 3+2 is the way to go but i doubt dhobi will do it , he is too insecure . Herath did well in first match. Yes, he did not pick too many wickets in this match but he has kept the pressure on and SL have 4 seam options plus Herath. In our team, BK is a decent bat, is gritty and he can play the role of seam bowling alrounder.
putrevus Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 Herath did well in first match. Yes' date=' he did not pick too many wickets in this match but he has kept the pressure on and SL have 4 seam options plus Herath. In our team, BK is a decent bat, is gritty and he can play the role of seam bowling alrounder.[/quote'] But is dhobi brave enough to play himself at no6. Historically even our great batsmen have never taken any more responsibility to help out bowlers. dravid is the only guy who took that mantle but he failed because other so called great batsmen never helped him out. So i dont think a coward and useless captain like dhobi has guts to do it.
rkt.india Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 But is dhobi brave enough to play himself at no6. Historically even our great batsmen have never taken any more responsibility to help out bowlers. dravid is the only guy who took that mantle but he failed because other so called great batsmen never helped him out. So i dont think a coward and useless captain like dhobi has guts to do it. It wont happen. Dhoni will pick a spinner to hold one end up as he thinks 3 pacers will pick all the 20 wickets. Having 4 bowlers and one of them is used as defensive option will never win you a test overseas.
putrevus Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 It wont happen. Dhoni will pick a spinner to hold one end up as he think 3 pacers will pick all the 20 wickets. Having 4 bowlers and one of them is used as defensive option will never win you a test overseas. What ghanta has dhobi learnt, if i would have been there at that sham PC , i would have asked that moron wtf did he do with lessons learnt in 2011 on last two tours. He was the same moronic and cowardly captain he was then .
renjith Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 It wont happen. Dhoni will pick a spinner to hold one end up as he thinks 3 pacers will pick all the 20 wickets. Having 4 bowlers and one of them is used as defensive option will never win you a test overseas. recently ashwin said he don't want to do the holding job in away tests and will be better off playing as an attacking bowler. eng does not have a batsman who can counter attack him as well. will be good for india if ashwin looks for wickets instead of trying to dry runs from one end. captain and coach have to agree though.
Stuge Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 ok lets just trust you on that' date=' in that series Indian fast bowling was amazing won matches on their won like Eng match, but failed in one match the final.[/quote'] +1 Sent from my XT535 using Tapatalk 2
gs Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 Srinath Zaheer Nehra. During 2003 wc. We had a world class bowling attack. Everyone of them were bowling 140 plus and basically we entered final because of our fast bowling and Sachin's batting. That was a brilliant attack!
Texan Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 Mohammad Nissar Amar Singh None of the others even come close.
Cricket_Hacker Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 Mohammad Nissar Amar Singh None of the others even come close. did you see them bowl? :hmmm:
Texan Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 did you see them bowl? :hmmm: Did you see their records? :hmmm:
maniac Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 The period from 2004-2011 we were lucky that we had a lot of talent coming in one after the other....too bad they didn't last long enough but it was like a quick revovlving door by the time one was on a quick decline,we had some one else step up. For eg;Pathan,Balaji followed by Sreeshanth,RP Singh,Munaf,Ishant along with the presence Zak....This pool contributed to our best period along with our legendary batting line up at the peak of their careers WI,Eng,Pak,Nzl...Test victories in Aus & S.A all can be traced back to one of these bowlers stepping up......So if we pick our best fast bowling line up should be in this period but too bad apart from Zak most of them had flashes of brilliance to become ordinary to poor tundlers.
maniac Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 ^We also had Nehra and Sir Aggy in the period but they only played ODI's but except for Sir Aggy in Adelide
MCcricket Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 OK let me tell you this , our squad this time might be the strongest ever in terms of bowlers outside the lead bowlers, Shami can be genuine strike bowler with skills and pace, BK has improved on his shortcomings and is now a better bowler, Aaron has genuine pace and skills to match , Pankaj, Pandey are pretty good as well . I will not be surprised if the bowlers do well , but captain needs to back them, support them in field settings and not just have a mindset to stop runs which is a formula to loose test matches away from spin friendly tracks , and Dhoni doesn't get that , also we should play 4 pacers .
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