Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[MediumPacer]

27 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

True, Siraj, Bumrah, Shami, Umesh all have clocked 148+ in IPL, Asif is another one who is 148+...Sangwan has bowled 146-147, Mavi bowled 144-149 in 2018 IPL.

Rahul Shukla was a brute fast bowler..Pawan Suyal, Krishnakant Upadhyay so many of them have clocked 144+ many times that I can't even recall all their names. None of them were backed ever.

Even mavi ,koti all clocked 140 but now it's all over.in india best is to pick finger spinners.

[singhvivek141]

22 minutes ago, MediumPacer said:

Pacers come on and runs start to flow and match gets lost and speedometer goes missing ,typical indian cricket.

 

 

Didnt use madhwal either who is a specialist death bowler. Mavi is done ,he should stick to domestic cricket.

Precisely now why he is able to find a place in Indian Cricket Team.

Tomorrow if Umran and Tyagi start bowling in 115 kph...all these "ex cricketers" and "cricket experts" will start twitter campaigns for their inclusion in the national team.

 

This era is so much worse than the era of 90's to early 00's where atleast we had Srinath, Agarkar, Zak, Nehra, Sree, Munaf who all were quick enough to hit early 140's.

[wazza]

1 hour ago, Axl100mph said:

As if the kind of bowling he did in that match wouldnt be relevant and threatening in a test match. 

 

 

Thankyou for letting me know who not to take seriously over here. 

 

 

 

 

It wouldn't be. He is short, injury prone, genetically weak. Nothing bowler compared to shaheen. 

 

In a few years tyagi will be well ahead of him. 

 

Shaheen is the best test bowler from Pakistan right now. Possibly best Asian bowler after bumrah. 

[MediumPacer]

6 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Precisely now why he is able to find a place in Indian Cricket Team.

Tomorrow if Umran and Tyagi start bowling in 115 kph...all these "ex cricketers" and "cricket experts" will start twitter campaigns for their inclusion in the national team.

 

This era is so much worse than the era of 90's to early 00's where atleast we had Srinath, Agarkar, Zak, Nehra, Sree, Munaf who all were quick enough to hit early 140's.

These pitches are also so poor,I have lost interest in following it .

[clownkiller]

4 hours ago, Axl100mph said:

There is a reason Tait was waxing lyrical about him and not Shaheen in every interview or exchange of his

i honestly rate naseem more than shaheen...Naseem for me has more talent...shaheen is just a guy who bowls full lol...got smashed by wade...naseem vs wade would have been a different story...naseem is bowler whos going to take wickets in every phase of the match while shaheen is only good with new ball...right now for me siraj and naseem have more potential than any other bowler around 

[Axl100mph]

3 hours ago, Vijy said:

steffan jones seems to be really good.

 

Regd the legs, he needs to be careful because his action can apply a lot of pressure on the knees and calves. I hope he fine tunes it, otherwise his career may get truncated

He had better allignment 3 years ago when he debuted. Back then mudassar Nazar had worked with him but the issue was that while he was bowling a lot quicker, he didnt know how to take wickets and use different angles with that action. That is a great reason for why he averaged so high in his first year of test cricket. 

 

Then after getting dropped later that year, he made a change and reverted back to his old action with which he had generated all that hype in age group cricket. 

 

He doesnt have that effortless 90-92mph pace (still bowls that speed in white ball but with contraction) which he had in 2020 because this allignment is not quite as efficient but it has made him a better bowler who is more attuned with his action. 

 

I am hoping a coach, be it Steffan or Morne can teach him to open his left hip when he plants his front leg. That will solve a lot of the counter rotation and make him a better bowler than what he currently is. 

 

 

Edited July 28, 2023 by Axl100mph

[Axl100mph]

2 hours ago, clownkiller said:

i honestly rate naseem more than shaheen...Naseem for me has more talent...shaheen is just a guy who bowls full lol...got smashed by wade...naseem vs wade would have been a different story...naseem is bowler whos going to take wickets in every phase of the match while shaheen is only good with new ball...right now for me siraj and naseem have more potential than any other bowler around 

Shaheen pre elbow injury was a different bowler to what he is now. He has altered his action now to save himself from that tendonitis and as a consequence has lost a yard.

But he has several other attributes such as a very resolute character, leadership and a sheer will to win which are all rare. You see that even in how he has now started developing his batting. This is why I still back him to find ways to be his old self again.

On Siraj, yes I rate him very highly but from what I have seen he is excellent with his attacking skills; a lot better than Naseem with the new ball but not quite the same with his defensive ones or at the same level with reverse as Naseem is, although I may have missed any recent improvement he may have made. 

[Axl100mph]

3 hours ago, wazza said:

It wouldn't be. He is short, injury prone, genetically weak. Nothing bowler compared to shaheen. 

 

In a few years tyagi will be well ahead of him. 

 

Shaheen is the best test bowler from Pakistan right now. Possibly best Asian bowler after bumrah. 

"Genetically weak"

 

True gem.

[wazza]

3 hours ago, Axl100mph said:

"Genetically weak"

 

True gem.

He is though. Frail body. 

 

It's funny you quoted that cause we had this little Muppet running his mouth about genetics recently until he was shown his place. 

 

 

[wazza]

4 hours ago, Axl100mph said:

He had better allignment 3 years ago when he debuted. Back then mudassar Nazar had worked with him but the issue was that while he was bowling a lot quicker, he didnt know how to take wickets and use different angles with that action. That is a great reason for why he averaged so high in his first year of test cricket. 

 

Then after getting dropped later that year, he made a change and reverted back to his old action with which he had generated all that hype in age group cricket. 

 

He doesnt have that effortless 90-92mph pace (still bowls that speed in white ball but with contraction) which he had in 2020 because this allignment is not quite as efficient but it has made him a better bowler who is more attuned with his action. 

 

I am hoping a coach, be it Steffan or Morne can teach him to open his left hip when he plants his front leg. That will solve a lot of the counter rotation and make him a better bowler than what he currently is. 

 

 

One thing about pak I like, they debuted their faith bowlers early and don't wait till they are past sell date. Same with aus. 

 

Indians and England love trundlers. They are Infatuated with trundlers. 

.if naseem was indian, I don't rate him highly as I do shaheen cause he is weak but had he played for India, he would be asked to suffer in ranji. Toiled hard in ranji and debuted in t20. He may be given a chance once he turns 30. We have trundler quotas.

[MK55]

Gerald Coetzee of SA is quick. Was comfortably bowling high 140s. Should be teaming up with Nortje in test matches. In contrast, we’d have Unadkad, Mukesh and Siraj lol. Downright embarrassing.

What’s up with Tyagi n Harshit? From the discussions here, it seems that at least Harshit is getting some game time. Tyagi seems totally lost in the system.
Need Harshit Tyagi Umran Bumrah and Siraj.

 

Also why da fq are both Unadkad and Mukesh playing ODIs. Is Agarkar any good??

sorry state of affairs.

 

 

 

 

 

[wazza]

Imlndin board love trundlers. Need a fast bowling loving captain too. We don't have that. So let's embrace trundlers.

 

Trundler quota yessur

[wazza]

List of trundlers in ranji top teams:

Top 24 teams trundlers list. Includes only trundlers who operate under 133 on average in terms of speeds. And also those who cant hit 140 plus without absolute max effort:

Pitches make a difference too but yes....

 

1 mohit sharma

2 anush chamboj 

3 Prince yadav

4 karthikeya jaiswal

5 ankit rajpoot 

6 yash dayal

7 s.pradhan

8 d.pradhan

9 rajesh mohanty

10 sunil raoul 

11 shafvan Patel

12 babashafi pathan

13 soyeb sopariya  

14 atith Seth

15 vinay galetiya

16 pranshu vijayran

17 kheljoriya

18 sangwan

19 divij mehra

20 natrajan

21 silambarsan

22 sonu yadav

23 s.thakur

24 deshpande

25 kulkarni

26 dias royston

27 inghale 

28 dadhe 

29 Mukesh choudhary

30 ravi Kiran

31 majumdhar

32 manukrishnan

33 visheweshwar

34 nideesh 

35 pritam chakraborty

36 ravikant Singh

37 ravi kumar

38 aakash ghatak

39 Mukesh kumar

40 aaksh deep

41 geet puri

42 khaleel Ahmed

43 aniket choudhary

44 rituraj Singh

45 tanveer ul has

46 Arafat khan

47 roosh kalaria

48 nagaswalla

49 Tejas Patel

50 chintan gaja

51 d. Soni

52 pradeep T

53 akshat pandery

54 Rahul sharma

55 sangwan

56susheel kumar

57 jhadav sugar

58 yuvraj Singh

59 adarsh Singh

60 nalkande 

61 gurbani

62 lalit yadav

63 vivekanad tiwari

64 assist kumar

65 visas Singh

66 Rahul shukla

67 sasikanth

68 ayyapa

69 madav rayadu

70 ashwani kumar

71 baltej Singh

72 dhapola

73 abey negi

74 agrim tiwari

75 rajan kumar

76 vyshak

77 koushik vasuki

78 ronit more

79 puneet datey

80 g. Yadav

81 kushwah

82 undacutta

83 Chetan sakariya

84 karamta

85 kushang

 

 

Damn what a list to choose from

 

 

Selectors must be wet. 

Edited July 29, 2023 by wazza

[express bowling]

19 minutes ago, wazza said:

List of trundlers in ranji top teams:

Top 24 teams trundlers list. Includes only trundlers who operate under 133 on average in terms of speeds. And also those who cant hit 140 plus without absolute max effort:

Pitches make a difference too but yes....

 

1 mohit sharma

2 anush chamboj 

3 Prince yadav

4 karthikeya jaiswal

5 ankit rajpoot 

6 yash dayal

7 s.pradhan

8 d.pradhan

9 rajesh mohanty

10 sunil raoul 

11 shafvan Patel

12 babashafi pathan

13 soyeb sopariya  

14 atith Seth

15 vinay galetiya

16 pranshu vijayran

17 kheljoriya

18 sangwan

19 divij mehra

20 natrajan

21 silambarsan

22 sonu yadav

23 s.thakur

24 deshpande

25 kulkarni

26 dias royston

27 inghale 

28 dadhe 

29 Mukesh choudhary

30 ravi Kiran

31 majumdhar

32 manukrishnan

33 visheweshwar

34 nideesh 

35 pritam chakraborty

36 ravikant Singh

37 ravi kumar

38 aakash ghatak

39 Mukesh kumar

40 aaksh deep

41 geet puri

42 khaleel Ahmed

43 aniket choudhary

44 rituraj Singh

45 tanveer ul has

46 Arafat khan

47 roosh kalaria

48 nagaswalla

49 Tejas Patel

50 chintan gaja

51 d. Soni

52 pradeep T

53 akshat pandery

54 Rahul sharma

55 sangwan

56susheel kumar

57 jhadav sugar

58 yuvraj Singh

59 adarsh Singh

60 nalkande 

61 gurbani

62 lalit yadav

63 vivekanad tiwari

64 assist kumar

65 visas Singh

66 Rahul shukla

67 sasikanth

68 ayyapa

69 madav rayadu

70 ashwani kumar

71 baltej Singh

72 dhapola

73 abey negi

74 agrim tiwari

75 rajan kumar

76 vyshak

77 koushik vasuki

78 ronit more

79 puneet datey

80 g. Yadav

81 kushwah

82 undacutta

83 Chetan sakariya

84 karamta

85 kushang

 

 

Damn what a list to choose from

 

 

Selectors must be wet. 

 

 

Mukesh Chowdhary, Khaleel, Desphpande, Akashdeep and Shafvan are not trundlers. 

[wazza]

4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Mukesh Chowdhary, Khaleel, Desphpande, Akashdeep and Shafvan are not trundlers. 

Ah ok. That's fair. 

 

Deshoande looked slow last time I saw him in ranji. But he did bowl 140 plus in 4 over games which I don't take seriously. 

 

That's why pak excels there. It's only 4 overs. They don't have the physical attributes to bowl fastvin tests. Weak genetically. Sadly it's true in their case. Poor fitness levels. 

 

Ours is reaching their levels too give we have a trash spin loving captain and a dud coach. 

 

Edited July 29, 2023 by wazza

[singhvivek141]

51 minutes ago, wazza said:

List of trundlers in ranji top teams:

Top 24 teams trundlers list. Includes only trundlers who operate under 133 on average in terms of speeds. And also those who cant hit 140 plus without absolute max effort:

Pitches make a difference too but yes....

 

1 mohit sharma

2 anush chamboj 

3 Prince yadav

4 karthikeya jaiswal

5 ankit rajpoot 

6 yash dayal

7 s.pradhan

8 d.pradhan

9 rajesh mohanty

10 sunil raoul 

11 shafvan Patel

12 babashafi pathan

13 soyeb sopariya  

14 atith Seth

15 vinay galetiya

16 pranshu vijayran

17 kheljoriya

18 sangwan

19 divij mehra

20 natrajan

21 silambarsan

22 sonu yadav

23 s.thakur

24 deshpande

25 kulkarni

26 dias royston

27 inghale 

28 dadhe 

29 Mukesh choudhary

30 ravi Kiran

31 majumdhar

32 manukrishnan

33 visheweshwar

34 nideesh 

35 pritam chakraborty

36 ravikant Singh

37 ravi kumar

38 aakash ghatak

39 Mukesh kumar

40 aaksh deep

41 geet puri

42 khaleel Ahmed

43 aniket choudhary

44 rituraj Singh

45 tanveer ul has

46 Arafat khan

47 roosh kalaria

48 nagaswalla

49 Tejas Patel

50 chintan gaja

51 d. Soni

52 pradeep T

53 akshat pandery

54 Rahul sharma

55 sangwan

56susheel kumar

57 jhadav sugar

58 yuvraj Singh

59 adarsh Singh

60 nalkande 

61 gurbani

62 lalit yadav

63 vivekanad tiwari

64 assist kumar

65 visas Singh

66 Rahul shukla

67 sasikanth

68 ayyapa

69 madav rayadu

70 ashwani kumar

71 baltej Singh

72 dhapola

73 abey negi

74 agrim tiwari

75 rajan kumar

76 vyshak

77 koushik vasuki

78 ronit more

79 puneet datey

80 g. Yadav

81 kushwah

82 undacutta

83 Chetan sakariya

84 karamta

85 kushang

 

 

Damn what a list to choose from

 

 

Selectors must be wet. 

Ones in bold are not Trundlers.

[Suhaan]

42 minutes ago, wazza said:

Ah ok. That's fair. 

 

Deshoande looked slow last time I saw him in ranji. But he did bowl 140 plus in 4 over games which I don't take seriously. 

 

That's why pak excels there. It's only 4 overs. They don't have the physical attributes to bowl fastvin tests. Weak genetically. Sadly it's true in their case. Poor fitness levels. 

 

Ours is reaching their levels too give we have a trash spin loving captain and a dud coach. 

 

Jay speaking?

[Suhaan]

 

[MK55]

Starcs bowling has been top class the last few matches. Consistently in the 89-92 mph. And hasn’t bowled too full like he does in ODIs.

[Mosher]

Why not give Umran a couple of overs with the new ball???