Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[singhvivek141]

8 hours ago, tapandrun said:

 

Do not think there ever will be polished tyagi , he has been there in ipl system for 4/5 seasons now. Hardly played anything.

 

With Umran there is a constrain that he proved to be costly  and Bhvi offers eco and wkts and then  cummins is there and then LAF of undakat. do not think he will get chance unless he proves himself in what ever matches he gets.--- Valid reason to sit Umran out

 

with manyank he got injured mide season thats why he is out of the action. --- Valid reason to sit mayank out

 

What is issue with tyagi ??--its been 4/5 seasons now, is he turning up injured every season ?? or teams do not find him good enough to be tried ??

no team is ready to invest in him or give him any chance -- What is his reason ??

 

After smat thought this would be his break-out season but he played 1 game and then missed up t20 league and was then the Duleep trophy -not sure if he would have been picked if not injured 

 

1. He gets injured frequently

2. Reports were floating that UPCA don't support him as he is not interested in red ball. But Same UPCA is backing Mohsin Khan who too don't play red ball.

3. He is not able to stick to one action

 

Best option for him is to move to another state. UPCA won't give him opportunity as they are lining towards accurate, medium pace trundlers. Shami too moved away from UP to Bengal.

 

 

 

[Nikhil_cric]

2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

1. He gets injured frequently

2. Reports were floating that UPCA don't support him as he is not interested in red ball. But Same UPCA is backing Mohsin Khan who too don't play red ball.

3. He is not able to stick to one action

 

Best option for him is to move to another state. UPCA won't give him opportunity as they are lining towards accurate, medium pace trundlers. Shami too moved away from UP to Bengal.

 

 

 

His durability is questionable while bowling at those speeds but he is not even 24 so it may just be that his bones are not matured yet.

 

However, he should be playing ODI's at the very least. 

 

Those who can sustainably clock a reasonable percentage of deliveries above 85 mph should be playing international cricket as all the evidence suggests that it is sufficient to be successful at that level. 

 

 

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

1. He gets injured frequently

2. Reports were floating that UPCA don't support him as he is not interested in red ball. But Same UPCA is backing Mohsin Khan who too don't play red ball.

3. He is not able to stick to one action

 

Best option for him is to move to another state. UPCA won't give him opportunity as they are lining towards accurate, medium pace trundlers. Shami too moved away from UP to Bengal.

 

 

Does Tyagi have any attitude issues !

 

Be it net bowler for Team India, UP state team or SRH, he seems to get a raw deal and is not wanted. 

[express bowling]

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Edited October 5, 2024 by express bowling

[tweaker]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2024/10/04/england-know-their-fast-bowling-problem-heres-the-fix/

 

England have made no secret of their desire to add pace to their bowling attack – but the mission runs rather deeper than just selection for the Test team.

 

England’s managing director Rob Key’s pre-season message to county bowlers “I don’t care how many wickets you take. I want to know how hard you are running in, how hard you are hitting the pitch and are you able to sustain pace at 85-88mph.”

 

They have been as good as their word, picking quicker, point-of-difference bowlers, such as Gus Atkinson and Olly Stone, culminating in the selection for the final Test of the summer of Josh Hull, a 20-year-old left-arm quick who had two wickets at an average of 182.5 in Division Two of the County Championship for Leicestershire. Hull will join Andrew Flintoff’s Lions in South Africa next month; almost all the 10 young seamers selected are pacy.

 

James Anderson was forced into retirement while Stuart Broad did so voluntarily, Ollie Robinson has been discarded, Craig Overton cannot get a look-in, while outstanding but more modestly paced county bowlers such as Sam Cook continue to be overlooked.

 

This year, Barney and Key have been heavily involved in what is known internally as the ECB’s “pace project”, which is guided by the requirements at men’s international level but, in practice, is more focused on developing much younger bowlers, and changing attitudes towards bowling in England.

 

Historically, we would value control, but what we are trying to say is that we really value pace and exciting, dynamic fast bowling,” Barney says. “Then we want those initial skills of variability, swing, seam, and accuracy to come. It’s reversing the approach, in many ways.

[express bowling]

32 minutes ago, tweaker said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2024/10/04/england-know-their-fast-bowling-problem-heres-the-fix/

 

England have made no secret of their desire to add pace to their bowling attack – but the mission runs rather deeper than just selection for the Test team.

 

England’s managing director Rob Key’s pre-season message to county bowlers “I don’t care how many wickets you take. I want to know how hard you are running in, how hard you are hitting the pitch and are you able to sustain pace at 85-88mph.”

 

They have been as good as their word, picking quicker, point-of-difference bowlers, such as Gus Atkinson and Olly Stone, culminating in the selection for the final Test of the summer of Josh Hull, a 20-year-old left-arm quick who had two wickets at an average of 182.5 in Division Two of the County Championship for Leicestershire. Hull will join Andrew Flintoff’s Lions in South Africa next month; almost all the 10 young seamers selected are pacy.

 

James Anderson was forced into retirement while Stuart Broad did so voluntarily, Ollie Robinson has been discarded, Craig Overton cannot get a look-in, while outstanding but more modestly paced county bowlers such as Sam Cook continue to be overlooked.

 

This year, Barney and Key have been heavily involved in what is known internally as the ECB’s “pace project”, which is guided by the requirements at men’s international level but, in practice, is more focused on developing much younger bowlers, and changing attitudes towards bowling in England.

 

Historically, we would value control, but what we are trying to say is that we really value pace and exciting, dynamic fast bowling,” Barney says. “Then we want those initial skills of variability, swing, seam, and accuracy to come. It’s reversing the approach, in many ways.

 

Don't know what they are doing actually ... but the English are very good at marketing whatever they do. 

 

Teams like Australia, WI and South Aftica have followed this approach of good 85 mph+ pacers for decades and India has executed this approach successfully for almost 10 years now. Pakistan did it earlier too.

 

But England will give this search for 85 mph+ pacers a catchy name and claim it as their original approach, like they did with Bazball.

 

 

[Suhaan]

6 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Don't know what they are doing actually ... but the English are very good at marketing whatever they do. 

 

Teams like Australia, WI and South Aftica have followed this approach of good 85 mph+ pacers for decades and India has executed this approach successfully for almost 10 years now. Pakistan did it earlier too.

 

But England will give this search for 85 mph+ pacers a catchy name and claim it as their original approach, like they did with Bazball.

 

 

It will be good for us as well,bazball was all upon us eventually we too had to show our ability to bat at high clicks

Similarly that is good if they market their endeavour in fast bowling,maybe they inspire us too

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said:

His durability is questionable while bowling at those speeds but he is not even 24 so it may just be that his bones are not matured yet.

 

However, he should be playing ODI's at the very least. 

 

Those who can sustainably clock a reasonable percentage of deliveries above 85 mph should be playing international cricket as all the evidence suggests that it is sufficient to be successful at that level. 

He was a 137-145 bowler in U19 WC and in IPL 2020/21, became a 144-152k just an year after that in 2022 IPL. Since then he is struggling with injuries, but still never slowed down, last year SMAT he clocked 152.5 and 153.4k alongside Mayank (who too played quite a handful games for Delhi).
This IPL he was again down with his pace and change in action. I was looking forward if this reduction of pace will help his body
(coz he bowled 8-10 overs consistently in the U19 WC), but so far even that's not working.

Edited October 5, 2024 by singhvivek141

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

It will be good for us as well,bazball was all upon us eventually we too had to show our ability to bat at high clicks

Similarly that is good if they market their endeavour in fast bowling,maybe they inspire us too

 

Why can't WE market our approach of successfully using good quality 140 k+ pacers in test matches starting 2015  ( 2023 being an aberration year )   !!

 

This is what I fail to understand !  And this is what led to the trundlers coming in as backups and replacements for Bumrah, Shami, Umesh, Ishant and Siraj. 

[Suhaan]

22 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Why can't WE market our approach of successfully using good quality 140 k+ pacers in test matches starting 2015  ( 2023 being an aberration year )   !!

 

This is what I fail to understand !  And this is what led to the trundlers coming in as backups and replacements for Bumrah, Shami, Umesh, Ishant and Siraj. 

We(Madchodtra and fraternity)hates fast bowling

They associate carelessness, ugliness,impotency with Indian fast bowling

They think we have imported Bumrah,Shami,Umesh,Siraj ,Ishant from SENA

As we can't be a fast bowling nation/powerhouse

[tapandrun]

10 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

1. He gets injured frequently

2. Reports were floating that UPCA don't support him as he is not interested in red ball. But Same UPCA is backing Mohsin Khan who too don't play red ball.

3. He is not able to stick to one action

 

Best option for him is to move to another state. UPCA won't give him opportunity as they are lining towards accurate, medium pace trundlers. Shami too moved away from UP to Bengal.

 

 

 

yes he turn-up half injured every ipl season, last UPLt20 he joined the team mid season after coming back from nca (not 100% on this but he joined late in the season).

Upca was unhappy with him they thought he just wants to play ipls and not bothered about domestics as he would request for nca letter every season. coming through proper ind cricketing structure played u19s still not able to settle down to 1 bowling action is not good, yes all bowlers.

 

Do not think moving to anyother side would help if he is not available to play  most of the season. 

 

 

[MK55]

Looks like Mayank will probably have to wait longer for a spot in the playing 11.

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/bangladesh-in-india-2024-25-1439844/india-vs-bangladesh-1st-t20i-1439893/match-preview

 

 

Team news: Mayank Yadav or Harshit Rana could be in line for debut

 

 

India have a new-look top order and seam attack as a number of regulars are missing from their T20I squad. They have brought in Tilak Varma for the injured Dube, but it's likely Nitish Kumar Reddy will slot into his place in the XI. Tearaway Mayank didn't train much in the lead up to the series opener which could mean a debut for Harshit on Sunday.

[MK55]

Conflicting reports lol

 

https://www.sportstiger.com/news/mayank-yadav-to-make-his-india-debut-in-first-t20i-against-bangladesh-suryakumar-yadav-drops-major-hint

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, MK55 said:

Conflicting reports lol

 

https://www.sportstiger.com/news/mayank-yadav-to-make-his-india-debut-in-first-t20i-against-bangladesh-suryakumar-yadav-drops-major-hint

These so called reports are just click baits, nothing more.

Should be taken as a pinch of salt.

[Mosher]

From CI "Just as we speak about Mayank Yadav, he gets his cap!"

 

Let's *ing Go

[Need4Speed]

4 hours ago, MK55 said:

Looks like Mayank will probably have to wait longer for a spot in the playing 11.

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/bangladesh-in-india-2024-25-1439844/india-vs-bangladesh-1st-t20i-1439893/match-preview

 

 

Team news: Mayank Yadav or Harshit Rana could be in line for debut

 

 

India have a new-look top order and seam attack as a number of regulars are missing from their T20I squad. They have brought in Tilak Varma for the injured Dube, but it's likely Nitish Kumar Reddy will slot into his place in the XI. Tearaway Mayank didn't train much in the lead up to the series opener which could mean a debut for Harshit on Sunday.

He bowled full throttle on previous day..may be they are giving him rest to recover abd be fresh for today..

Butbwho knows..

[Mosher]

Meanwhile, for the past four months, Yadav sr. had only one concern whether his son will have the same pace or not after the injury.

 

“Everyday after returning from my factory in Okhla, I used to think about it. Bowling fast gives him that X factor. When he showed his videos at the NCA, I was relieved. Fast bowlers make this game thrilling,” shares Parbhu Yadav.

 

https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/ind-vs-ban-mayank-yadav-harshit-rana-west-delhi-9605267/

 

Good article.

 

[singhvivek141]

1 minute ago, Mosher said:

Meanwhile, for the past four months, Yadav sr. had only one concern whether his son will have the same pace or not after the injury.

 

“Everyday after returning from my factory in Okhla, I used to think about it. Bowling fast gives him that X factor. When he showed his videos at the NCA, I was relieved. Fast bowlers make this game thrilling,” shares Parbhu Yadav.

 

https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/ind-vs-ban-mayank-yadav-harshit-rana-west-delhi-9605267/

 

Good article.

 

Want him to hit some batters and terrorize them.
Batters should be on their toes, T20 is all about scaring and demoralizing the opposition.

[singhvivek141]

Bowling first.
Go Mayank, Nithish, Hardik, Arshdeep.

[Mosher]

Hope Harshit and Mayank get to play together next match.