rkt.india Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 Kejri is busy condemning the violence in Israel-Gaza. No time for India. Also, it involves Muslims so he is anyway not going to say anything. Pappu might not even know what's happening - he's so dumb. And same thing as Kejri - Muslims involved so Cong won't criticize them. BTW Modi also has been completely silent. IMO, it is better any politician do not speak about these matters in open. It only raises the tension. They will obviously take sides to their inclinations and then people will criticize them. Politicians must learn to to stay neutral and stop public display of religion. Rather instruct police to do their job. These things never happen in isolation or without provocation and there are people in every religion who are ready to pounce on any such incident to provoke people. Most of the rioters wont even know what they are doing it for, but they just follow what some others are doing and instructing.
Filandering Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 why you need to bring Kejriwal here? Are you so bereft of things to talk relevant to topic? Don't think much of them. They don't want to move forward. They want to stick to hindutva world. Kejriwal will rise from Phoenix as one true honest hope. Till then let the right wingers poke fun at him.
Raghav_12 Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 IMO, it is better any politician do not speak about these matters in open. It only raises the tension. They will obviously take sides to their inclinations and then people will criticize them. Politicians must learn to to stay neutral and stop public display or religion. Rather instruct police to do their job. These things never happen in isolation or without provocation and there are people in every religion who are ready to pounce on any such incident to provoke people. Most of the rioters wont even know what they are doing it for, but they just follow some others are doing and instructing. This. But would never happen as there are vested interests in play. No politicians should be allowed to visit place of riots and not should be allowed to make any statement. Police should be give full responsibility and should be made accountable for any loss of life as well.
seedhi Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 This. But would never happen as there are vested interests in play. No politicians should be allowed to visit place of riots and not should be allowed to make any statement. Police should be give full responsibility and should be made accountable for any loss of life as well.Very clever. You have demanded that Narendra Modi make a statement on Shiv Sena MP feeding that Muslim man. But you want people to remain silent on riots. Hypocrisy.
Khalpat Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 This. But would never happen as there are vested interests in play. No politicians should be allowed to visit place of riots and not should be allowed to make any statement. Police should be give full responsibility and should be made accountable for any loss of life as well. I think accountability is the major concern here. Their should be zero tolerance for this and DM as well SP of the area should be held responsible and they will have to be given free hand to shoot at sight. Unless that happens nothing will change only blame game will happen. Under present scenario what happens is if their is a riot , SHO of the area informs SP, SP asks the DIG to let him stop the violence by using force, DIG will inturn ask DGP of the state to give shooting orders, DGP will ask Principal Secretary of CM of the state to allow him take action, Principal Secretary will in turn ask CM and then everything is on CM. Now if the CM is a decisive person he will take prompt action. But in case of UP, CM will ask all the chacha's , Azam chacha, Ram Gopal chacha and Mulayam Papa to advice. they will give their own opinions and will ask CM to see how much political gains can be taken or who is responsible? Will the action affect votebank. Atlast this will delay any action and riot gets escallated to other areas and many innocent lives are gorn. No body has the guts to say go and shoot the rioters. Now the right wings will take advantage of this situation as it gives them ample time for their propoganda. Think of a scenario, CM has given SP and DM free hand to stop the riot if there is any and as soon as such case happens police without waiting for any order takes action I can bet nothing will happen, nobody will be able to take any advantage of situation. Ultimately it boils down to the decision makers of the state. But remember in these kind of scenarios, human Right violations like Punjab in early 90's, Maharastra in mid 90's, Gujarat in mid 2000's might happen and the decision maker will have to deal with this throughout his life. As what happened with Shah, KPS , Modi etc.
Raghav_12 Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 Very clever. You have demanded that Narendra Modi make a statement on Shiv Sena MP feeding that Muslim man. But you want people to remain silent on riots. Hypocrisy. You have lost it man, completely. Take a break.
Sachin=GOD Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 I think accountability is the major concern here. Their should be zero tolerance for this and DM as well SP of the area should be held responsible and they will have to be given free hand to shoot at sight. Unless that happens nothing will change only blame game will happen. Under present scenario what happens is if their is a riot , SHO of the area informs SP, SP asks the DIG to let him stop the violence by using force, DIG will inturn ask DGP of the state to give shooting orders, DGP will ask Principal Secretary of CM of the state to allow him take action, Principal Secretary will in turn ask CM and then everything is on CM. Now if the CM is a decisive person he will take prompt action. But in case of UP, CM will ask all the chacha's , Azam chacha, Ram Gopal chacha and Mulayam Papa to advice. they will give their own opinions and will ask CM to see how much political gains can be taken or who is responsible? Will the action affect votebank. Atlast this will delay any action and riot gets escallated to other areas and many innocent lives are gorn. No body has the guts to say go and shoot the rioters. Now the right wings will take advantage of this situation as it gives them ample time for their propoganda. Think of a scenario, CM has given SP and DM free hand to stop the riot if there is any and as soon as such case happens police without waiting for any order takes action I can bet nothing will happen, nobody will be able to take any advantage of situation. Ultimately it boils down to the decision makers of the state. But remember in these kind of scenarios, human Right violations like Punjab in early 90's, Maharastra in mid 90's, Gujarat in mid 2000's might happen and the decision maker will have to deal with this throughout his life. As what happened with Shah, KPS , Modi etc. In any state if the police is given a free hand to take on the spot decisions then riots etc will rarely happen and law and order will remain in much better control. But that doesn't happen in most states in India. And I don't expect that to change anytime soon.
Tiger80 Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 The hypocricy of muslims is amazing .They are demanding land just because their was private mosque before 47 .Even when court gave verdict in favour of sikhs they don't believe in it.When Hindu's demand Ram janambhoomi they blame Hindu's to be communal.They are clearly telling hindu's that court verdicts go to hell."Jiski laathi uski bhains"
gs Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 The hypocricy of muslims is amazing .They are demanding land just because their was private mosque before 47 .Even when court gave verdict in favour of sikhs they don't believe in it.When Hindu's demand Ram janambhoomi they blame Hindu's to be communal.They are clearly telling hindu's that court verdicts go to hell."Jiski laathi uski bhains" All iz well in the secular world
diga Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 Union Minister Kalraj Mishra on Tuesday raised suspicion that there could be Pakistani Intelligence Agency ISI's hand behind the Saharanpur incident. Talking to reporters, Mirco, Small and Medium Enterprises minister Kalraj said that during the UPA regime Congress vice president Rahul Gandhi had admitted that ISI was active in around 45 districts of Uttar Pradesh and the state government was not doing anything to check it. He said that such activities had been confirmed in the last Intelligence information received by the Union Home Ministry.
Number Posted July 30, 2014 Posted July 30, 2014 IBNLive Realtime @IBNLiveRealtime 35m Main accused of Saharanpur riots Muharram Ali Pappu arrested, booked under National Security Act Sounds like some Hindu fanatic from BJP.
Alchemist Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 Kejri is busy condemning the violence in Israel-Gaza. No time for India. Also, it involves Muslims so he is anyway not going to say anything. Pappu might not even know what's happening - he's so dumb. And same thing as Kejri - Muslims involved so Cong won't criticize them. BTW Modi also has been completely silent. The bold part is good for a particular community. Last time he took an action, Gujrat became clean....
someone Posted August 4, 2014 Author Posted August 4, 2014 Saharanpur - Heroes & Villains Good article, particular liked this point about this was a Muslim riot, not communal riot. That's very true, and really today Muslim riots is the biggest threat in India. Another point about Gaurav Sawant , now that's has clearly exposed the hypocrisy in Indian media. This diagram really summarizes the whole thing on the secular media reporting today.
rkt.india Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 Riots, Hindu or Muslim or any religion are always a threat. Central govt. Along with state govt. must work towards establishing harmony in the country. No preferential treatment to a particular religion. This is the biggest threat to the modern India.
rkt.india Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 Religion in itself has become a farce. The motto behind creating a religion is lost and is left to be just a mere weapon of hatred in an attempt to prove how one's religion is superior to others'. Once people start realizing this, this world will be a better place.
Crookbond Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 Religion in itself has become a farce. The motto behind creating a religion has lost and is left to be just a mere weapon of hatred in an attempt to prove how one's religion is superior to others'. Once people start realizing this' date= this world will be a better place. 2014 years and counting.
Detonator Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 2014 years and counting. So the timeline starts only after the holy arrival of Jesus Christ?
Sachin=GOD Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 2014 years and counting. So the timeline starts only after the holy arrival of Jesus Christ? Was about to post this - with a wikipedia entry :P
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