Precambrian Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 100s meaning something or doesn't meaning anything has no equation to selfish individualism. The point which was being made (not that I necessarily agree with) is that at times when there was conflict between the team's goal versus a personal milestone' date=' Tendulkar took the latter over the former.[/size'] There were many cricketers from India - even currently - who are not selfish. Sehwag had a chance to display that he was not - your obvious reference is to the Galle innings. Overall, people have kind of missed the point with Tendulkar or Indian cricketers. Selfish or not one HAS TO agree that Indians in general are quite obsessed with numbers (not difficult to imagine since we came up with the modern day number system). We don't view a number/statistic as an indicator but the end in itself. This is not just limited to cricket but goes across all other spheres in life - number of educational degrees, number of GBs of RAM or number of MPs of the camera in a phone are some examples. The sooner we accept it, the more peace we could make with understanding things around us. Instances please? And no, not Multan again, that has been done to death here. And the 100th 100? Anything else?
velu Posted January 29, 2015 Author Posted January 29, 2015 Instances please? And no' date=' not Multan again, that has been done to death here. And the 100th 100? Anything else?[/quote'] this topic is also done and dusted :winky:
Magneto Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 100s meaning something or doesn't meaning anything has no equation to selfish individualism. The point which was being made (not that I necessarily agree with) is that at times when there was conflict between the team's goal versus a personal milestone, Tendulkar took the latter over the former. There were many cricketers from India - even currently - who are not selfish. Sehwag had a chance to display that he was not - your obvious reference is to the Galle innings. Overall, people have kind of missed the point with Tendulkar or Indian cricketers. Selfish or not one HAS TO agree that Indians in general are quite obsessed with numbers (not difficult to imagine since we came up with the modern day number system). We don't view a number/statistic as an indicator but the end in itself. This is not just limited to cricket but goes across all other spheres in life - number of educational degrees, number of GBs of RAM or number of MPs of the camera in a phone are some examples. The sooner we accept it, the more peace we could make with understanding things around us. Obsession with numbers is a global phenomenon. The concept of hat-tricks and fivers and 100s and 200s etc have all been the brainchild of non-Indians. It is normal that quantitative indicators always gives you something to work with; the Australians were so obsessed with Bradman's total number of runs that they had a Post Box No. after it. This theory of team vs personal milestones is always a half-baked argument. There are other players who have protected their stats by playing slowly throughout (irrespective of team situation), by not farming the strike while playing with tail-enders to improve averages and even retiring suddenly so that they don't have a 'worst' wala record. It's fashionable to question Sachin's motives while conveniently ignoring the approaches and attitudes of the others.
kosingh Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 For people who do t think Sachin is selfish- which cricketer do you think is most selfish in indian cricket?
HIC_NAA Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 For people who do t think Sachin is selfish- which cricketer do you think is most selfish in indian cricket? Kapil Dev and Sehwag. Kapil- For his 432 wicket. Sehwag- For never changing his approach on the basis of what situation demands or what the conditions demand.
kosingh Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 Kapil Dev and Sehwag. Kapil- For his 432 wicket. Sehwag- For never changing his approach on the basis of what situation demands or what the conditions demand. Kapil's pursuit for 434 seems identical to Sachin's pursuit for 100 100s. As for Sehwag, why is that selfish? Rash perhaps, but that I'd disagree with- the guy only knew how to play one way.
Gollum Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 Kapil Dev and Sehwag. Kapil- For his 432 wicket. Sehwag- For never changing his approach on the basis of what situation demands or what the conditions demand. Sehwag is the opposite of selfishness
vamos_rafa Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 I maybe wrong, but there has been an analysis of Sachin's strike rate in 80-100 range and his SR is pretty good infact better than most unselfish players. I think, because he played percentage cricket in this range, people get this feeling that he's selfish? So, taking 6 singles in 6 balls is equivalent to hitting 1 six and blocking the other 5. But, the latter one involves bravoado and hence unselfish whilst the former is selfish? As for instances, there are many where he has lost his wicket in pursuit of scoring shots in the 90's. Also, hasn't he hit the max number of 6's in tests getting to 100?
BeautifulGame Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 For people who do t think Sachin is selfish- which cricketer do you think is most selfish in indian cricket? Ganguly easily . Ganguly batting ahead of Laxman regularly in tests is the most blatant .
AmreekanDesi Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 Instances please? And no' date=' not Multan again, that has been done to death here. And the 100th 100? Anything else?[/quote'] his hundredth 100 is a classic case slowed the game so much in the 90s that we lost to Bangladesh. his hundredth 100 came in a losing cause against Bangladesh!!!!
beetle Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 his hundredth 100 is a classic case slowed the game so much in the 90s that we lost to Bangladesh. his hundredth 100 came in a losing cause against Bangladesh!!!! +100
vamos_rafa Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 his hundredth 100 is a classic case slowed the game so much in the 90s that we lost to Bangladesh. his hundredth 100 came in a losing cause against Bangladesh!!!! I guess you didn't read what he wrote...
AmreekanDesi Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 I guess you didn't read what he wrote... its a classic case as I said. sth which will be attached forever as it was such a hyped up and much awaited century. why ignore it?
Number Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 Only in India a guy with S/R of 90 is selfish and 70 is a team man.
vamos_rafa Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 its a classic case as I said. sth which will be attached forever as it was such a hyped up and much awaited century. why ignore it? That ways I can point you to a few instances where he either got out trying to play a 100 or scored his 100 in a hurry. It ain't a classic case. That's what even Dravid has said, if you start nitpicking, you can always find faults. But the perceived image is as if he has ALWAYS slowed down.
vamos_rafa Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 Only in India a guy with S/R of 90 is selfish and 70 is a team man. :hysterical:
kosingh Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 Only in India a guy with S/R of 90 is selfish and 70 is a team man. So strike rate is a measure of unselfishness? Unselfish afridi, gayle
HIC_NAA Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 So strike rate is a measure of unselfishness? Unselfish afridi, gayle Yaa but with that strike rate if avg is higher then?
HIC_NAA Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 Sehwag is the opposite of selfishness Why? Selfishness, if i understand correctly from what i have read here is: Someone keeping his personal interests on top of team. SO, Sehwag always playing attacking cricket without worrying abt team or conditions is selfish.
Marut Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 Ok! One question you asked is why you have to be nervous of 90s? You yourself have answered that it is a great personal milestone. This is the same reason people raise their bat or punch in the air after making the century right? It is a great feeling that you have acheived something. With the same logic all the batsman who show their happiness after hitting century should be selfish. Afterall your team has not won the match yet. You are being happy for yourself. IMO, happiness of acheiving something and being nervous just before that is natural human tendency it cannot be termed as Selfishness. I only asked to measure the following ratio. Batsman's strike rates while moving from 90 to 100/ Career Strike rate Let personal milestones have their importance. But if a batsman is slowing down unusually during the nervous 90s, compared to other batsmen, then it is clear that he is playing more for himself than the team.
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