gattaca Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 ISLAMABAD: The owner of Pakistan's biggest media group, Geo TV along with actor Veena Malik and her husband was sentenced to 26 years in prison by an anti-terrorism court for allegedly airing a blasphemous programme. Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman, owner of Geo and Jang group, was accused of allowing the airing of a blasphemous programme by Geo television in May, which played a religious song while staging a mock marriage of Malik with Bashir. Judge Shahbaz Khan also sentenced both Malik and Bashir along with TV host Shaista Wahidi for 26 years each. The ATC also imposed a 1.3 million Pakistani rupees fine on the convicts and ordered that their properties should be sold to raise the fine, if they failed to pay it. The judge said in his judgment that all four accused committed profanity. The court in its 40-page verdict also asked the police to arrest the convicts, an official said. He said that the convict can appeal in the regional high court in Gilgit-Baltistan. There are reports that all four are out of Pakistan. Rahman resides in the UAE and the other three also went abroad after recieving threats by militant organisations. It is not known when the arrests would be carried out. Both Wahidi and the Geo group have tendered apology after the allegations were levelled but the extremists in the country refused to accept it. Other blasphemy cases were also registered against them in various cities, including Karachi and Islamabad. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Veena-Malik-media-mogul-get-26-years-in-jail-for-blasphemy/articleshow/45278747.cms
Cricket_Hacker Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 :WTF: lol thank god we don't have such ridiculous laws in India
Kalia_Test Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 Gilgit is in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir (PoK) that India rightfully ( as per Maharaja's instrument of accession) claims as its own.The Gilgit court's jurisdiction does not apply to rest of Pakistan so nothing will come out of it... Strange that we in India give special status to Kashmir but Pakistan treats PoK people as second class citizens with no rights.
Kalia_Test Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 Pak says Gilgit, Baltistan are not part of Pakistan The Pakistan government has agreed that Gilgit and Baltistan are not part of its territory. Making this startling disclosure to the country's supreme court in the wake of a constitutional petition, the government said, ''The court has no jurisdiction to hear the petition as Gilgit and Baltistan (called Northern Areas) do not fall within the country's territory as defined by the Constitution.'' The court has been hearing a petition, filed in June 1994, challenging imposition of taxes, setting up of customs checkposts and regulating imports/ exports by the Pakistan government in Northern Areas while denying the local population fundamental human rights granted by the United Nations and the right to self-government. Northern Areas are that part of Pakistan Occupied Kashmir which Islamabad treats as its de facto territory without giving its population equal constitutional, political and other rights. At an earlier hearing, the Pakistan government told the court that it could not grant these rights as the area is not part of the country. The petitioners -- the Al Jehad group and others -- contested Pakistan's right to exercise sovereignty over an area which, it says, does not form part of its territory. They pleaded that the court must guarantee the protection of their fundamental rights and all Pakistani officials, except the armed forces personnel, be recalled and the affairs of the area be handed over to the local population. The petitioners also wanted cancellation of all laws, orders and notifications other than those made by the armed forces for defence purposes. Also no tax or duty of any kind be collected till the local population gets the right to take decisions through their elected representatives. Pakistan, in its statement, has denied that the local population had no human and other rights and justified its de facto sovereignty over the areas under international laws and going by international examples. It asked the court to dismiss the petition as it did not come under its jurisdiction. In 1993, the POK high court ordered that the administration of the areas be reverted to the government in Muzaffarabad (capital of POK) since these areas were part of Jammu and Kashmir. Pakistan challenged this order in the POK supreme court. The POK supreme court quashed this order but maintained that Northern Areas were part of the undivided Jammu and Kashmir.
Desi Cartman Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 This isn't too bad for her since she is currently overseas. Now she can apply for refugee status and settle down in some European country.
gslv Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 Very common in countries where Muslims are outright majority. It came to limelight because she is a well known face.
Crookbond Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 :WTF: lol thank god we don't have such ridiculous laws in India Here's a reality check for you -
gattaca Posted November 26, 2014 Author Posted November 26, 2014 Since Hinduism, India's dominant religion, being polytheistic and pantheistic, did not have the concept of blasphemy,[29][30] such laws are absent in tradition. In practice, however, blasphemy is classified as hate speech and prosecuted. In 1860, British rule codified Section 295A of the Indian Penal Code which punishes as hate speech insults or attempts to insult the religion or the religious beliefs of any class of citizen with deliberate and malicious intention to outrage their religious feelings. These laws are applied to all religions including Hinduism, Sikhism, Christianity and Islam.[31] wow so British introduced this in india. But these laws are more stop riots which are caused by insult to religious sentiments.
Kalia_Test Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 Here's a reality check for you - Absolutely ridiculous to even compare - I am sorry to say. It is the implementation of Blasphemy laws that is important. India has NEVER gone that path inspite of many vested interests trying to force it. To compare with Pakistan where some background stupid song being played on a mock wedding is considered blasphemous is not on - sorry LINK On May 27, 1953, the Tamil reformer EV Ramaswami Naicker smashed an idol of Lord Ganesha in public at the Town Hall maidan in Tiruchirapalli. Naicker, who was angered by Hinduism’s caste system, made a speech announcing his intention to do this before breaking the idol. Veerabadran Chettiar, an offended Hindu, filed a case under two laws. Section 295: Whoever destroys, damages or defiles any place of worship, or any object held sacred by any class of persons with the intention of thereby insulting the religion of any class of persons or with the knowledge that any class of persons is likely to consider such destruction, damage or defilement as an insult to their religion, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to two years, Section 295-A: Whoever, with deliberate and malicious intention of outraging the religious feelings of any class of citizens of India, by words, either spoken or written, or by signs or by visible representations or otherwise, insults or attempts to insult the religion or the religious beliefs of that class, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years, or with fine, or with both. The Tiruchirapalli magistrate dismissed the petition. On the first charge, he said that simply because the mud figure resembled Lord Ganesha it cannot become an object held sacred. He accepted an offence was made out on the second charge (295-A), but that law required government sanction for the case to be registered, which had not come. He dismissed that also. The petitioner appealed. The sessions judge dismissed the appeal. He agreed with the magistrate, saying the idol was the private property of those who broke it. The matter went to high court. The judge said the idol broken did not come within the scope of “any object held sacred by any class of personsâ€. An idol in a temple or one in a religious procession would, he clarified, but not any object resembling a diety. Even a toy in such a shape would otherwise qualify as being sacred. No offence was made out, the judge said, and dismissed the appeal. On to the Supreme Court. On August 25, 1958, Justice BP Sinha said the high court was wrong to have imported meaning into the words “held sacredâ€. It was not necessary for the object to have been worshipped for it to be sacred. For instance, the Bible, Holy Quran and the Guru Granth Sahib were also objects held sacred. Sinha asked the judiciary to be circumspect in such matters and consider the feelings and religious emotions, irrespective of whether or not they share those beliefs, or whether they are rational or otherwise, in the opinion of the court. However, after making these observations, Sinha then dismissed the appeal saying the matter had become “stale†since five years had passed. What his observations did was not to set a precedent, which would have happened had the case been dismissed on merit. Two aspects are important here. First, a tolerance for offences against god shown by India’s lower judiciary. Second, and this is from Sinha, a reminder that such offences are likely to have consequences and, therefore, should not be encouraged. On April 20, 1960, the Allahabad High Court fined a man, Khalil Ahmad, for costs of Rs1,200 after he sued for getting his books released. He had written texts praising Yazid and Muawiya, saying they had a place in heaven according to Hanafi consensus. The state then seized his books. The judges cited Justice Sinha’s observation in ruling against him. There are not many blasphemy cases reported in India. In my years as a sessions court reporter in the 1990s, I came across none, and most of the case studies in legal volumes refer to events that happened 50 years or more ago. I would attribute this to a generally high tolerance in the population for the other’s faith, and a pragmatic and alert police force and judiciary. What is different in Pakistan? We’ll see that tomorrow. Incidentally, Naicker, the idol-smasher was also the founder of the Dravidian movement that produced both of Tamil Nadu’s main political parties, DMK (Karunanidhi) and ADMK (Jayalalitha). Naicker’s successors converted an anti-Brahmin movement into a powerful political force that now does not seek to offend. The ADMK chief, Jayalaitha, is a Brahmin and both parties are inclusive. Naicker’s act is all but forgotten today and seen as political not religious.
Crookbond Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 ^ First, this dump of text is a sore to eye - either quote it and highlight relevant point or just link and leave it. You needn't post long op-eds to make one simple point. Second, check to what I was responding to - someone said, India doesn't have blasphemy laws which is false. Don't miss the context. Not only is India amongst the 25% of countries in the world that have blasphemy laws, but also amongst the 10% in the world which have apostasy laws. Lets not engage in a d!ck measuring contest here on blasphemy laws. The blasphemy laws in Pakistan might be worse but lets be factually correct. But may be that might be difficult to expect from some people who want to prove their superiority to Pakistan on the Internet.
Number Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 I remember that anchor from Good Morning Pakistan, Shaista Wahidi, she danced some song or tune and there was blasphemy case filed on her. Had to flee.
Kalia_Test Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 ^ First, this dump of text is a sore to eye - either quote it and highlight relevant point or just link and leave it. You needn't post long op-eds to make one simple point. Second, check to what I was responding to - someone said, India doesn't have blasphemy laws which is false. Don't miss the context. Not only is India amongst the 25% of countries in the world that have blasphemy laws, but also amongst the 10% in the world which have apostasy laws. Lets not engage in a d!ck measuring contest here on blasphemy laws. The blasphemy laws in Pakistan might be worse but lets be factually correct. But may be that might be difficult to expect from some people who want to prove their superiority to Pakistan on the Internet. If you cannot read a nice article with key points highlighted that shows how India never encouraged usage of Blasphemy laws, then...hmmmm In this context, I believe that we are superior to Pakistan and I feel no need to be politically correct and self-hating.I am proud that India never did anything like what the OP mentioned and no one can snatch that pride from me. If you want to know about stupid laws that are there in various countries that nobody bothered to repeal as they are never used in any case , let me know. On this post, you say India is among 10% of countries with apostasy laws - FALSE. Using your own source :two_thumbs_up:
Shivaji bhonsle Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 Well, they are Islamic republic of Pakistan.
Texan Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 Here's a reality check for you - I don't think you get the point here - blasphemy laws might exist in India, but they are not applied in the draconian manner in which Pakistan and some other Islamic countries apply them.
Kalia_Test Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 When we talk of Blasphemy laws in India - they are in practice laws against religious hate speech - these laws are classified by Organizations like PEW as Blasphemy laws - purely because there is no other evident category. A secular country will have some laws like this applied equally to all religions The key for such a law being applied in India is deliberate and malicious intention to outrage other religious feelings. These laws are applied to all religions including Hinduism, Sikhism, Christianity and Islam. I fail to understand how the case Veena was prosecuted for will stand in a court of law in India - was it a deliberate and malicious intent to outrage Islam? Any LLB fresher will get her acquitted on day 1 if someone was foolish enough to even file a case against her.
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