Crookbond Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 I don't think you get the point here - blasphemy laws might exist in India' date=' but they are not applied in the draconian manner in which Pakistan and some other Islamic countries apply them.[/quote'] I absolutely get that point.
Crookbond Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 If you cannot read a nice article with key points highlighted that shows how India never encouraged usage of Blasphemy laws, then...hmmmm My point was that India has blasphemy laws - the usage or not a different matter. In this context, I believe that we are superior to Pakistan and I feel no need to be politically correct and self-hating.I am proud that India never did anything like what the OP mentioned and no one can snatch that pride from me. I see no problem with that. If you want to know about stupid laws that are there in various countries that nobody bothered to repeal as they are never used in any case , let me know. I was just setting higher benchmarks than Pakistan. On this post, you say India is among 10% of countries with apostasy laws - FALSE. Using your own source :two_thumbs_up: Read up the "in the calendar year 2012" part again. Many states in India have anti-apostasy laws.
seedhi Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 ^ First, this dump of text is a sore to eye - either quote it and highlight relevant point or just link and leave it. You needn't post long op-eds to make one simple point. Second, check to what I was responding to - someone said, India doesn't have blasphemy laws which is false. Don't miss the context. Not only is India amongst the 25% of countries in the world that have blasphemy laws, but also amongst the 10% in the world which have apostasy laws. Lets not engage in a d!ck measuring contest here on blasphemy laws. The blasphemy laws in Pakistan might be worse but lets be factually correct. But may be that might be difficult to expect from some people who want to prove their superiority to Pakistan on the Internet.Come on now, where did you pull that out from?
Kalia_Test Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 My point was that India has blasphemy laws - the usage or not a different matter. It is usage and enforcement that is important IMO but I get your point I see no problem with that. Thanks I was just setting higher benchmarks than Pakistan. We already are way higher than Pakistan and since this post was about Pakistan, it was time for us to be proud of what we already achieved - a good motivation to aim higher :two_thumbs_up: Read up the "in the calendar year 2012" part again. Many states in India have anti-apostasy laws. Not sure where to read but I am unable to digest that a secular country can have apostasy laws. My initial search did not yield much info on this. Can you name one state of India that prosecutes someone from converting to any other religion and I will do the further research myself? I might be wrong and eager to keep myself updated on this
seedhi Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 Many states in India have anti-apostasy laws.No they don't. Just because christian missionaries are not allowed to convert by inducement does not amount to anti-apostasy law.
seedhi Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 Some states have laws saying that authorities have to be informed when people convert. And it has to be voluntary. This is not anti-apostasy but a safeguard against fraudulent conversions.
Kalia_Test Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 I think I figured where Dexter got confused on apostasy laws in India ( there isn't one. period ). As per Hindu marriage act, apostasy ( conversion of spouse to outside Hinduism ) is not a valid ground for divorce. As per Muslim personal law board, it might be valid ground for divorce. Again, there are many Supreme court verdicts on this and judgements differ based on unique circumstances and what I wrote might not be applicable in all cases but this is the only reference I get on apostasy in India. I always believed that in India, we are free to embrace any religion we want - some nut cases might be after my head but not the police and law enforcement authorities.
veer Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 Brilliant.. Aur Baal ki khaal nikalo.... koyi bhi baat pe faltu ki debate chalu.
jalebi_bhai Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 Brilliant.. Aur Baal ki khaal nikalo.... koyi bhi baat pe faltu ki debate chalu. :hysterical:.....tp ke liye kuch to karna hai........:giggle:
Vilander Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 If you cannot read a nice article with key points highlighted that shows how India never encouraged usage of Blasphemy laws, then...hmmmm In this context, I believe that we are superior to Pakistan and I feel no need to be politically correct and self-hating.I am proud that India never did anything like what the OP mentioned and no one can snatch that pride from me. If you want to know about stupid laws that are there in various countries that nobody bothered to repeal as they are never used in any case , let me know. On this post, you say India is among 10% of countries with apostasy laws - FALSE. Using your own source :two_thumbs_up: You saved me a lot of Angst and time posting a rebuttal. Ind and Pak are not the same.
ViratTendulkar Posted November 27, 2014 Posted November 27, 2014 ^WTF! Is that real? In that case I can ace all my exams simply by answering "because Allah, *****es!" to each question.
Crookbond Posted November 27, 2014 Posted November 27, 2014 Not sure where to read but I am unable to digest that a secular country can have apostasy laws. My initial search did not yield much info on this. Can you name one state of India that prosecutes someone from converting to any other religion and I will do the further research myself? I might be wrong and eager to keep myself updated on this You can write in normal letters - I could read, you know :) In order to convert, in some states it requires prior permission of the District Magistrate. Now, of course the natural argument is to say it is to prevent conversions (and unlike what some would say is not necessarily restricted to any particular religion). However, what is often conveniently overlooked is that religion is my personal business and the state has no right to grant permission and should neither require an information. In case the state is concerned about fraudulent conversions, it is their prerogative to come up with a method that doesn't violate civil liberties. So yes, the apostasy laws in India are not full retard but there is an existence of an apostasy law in some form nonetheless. You and I shouldn't require "prior permission" from anyone to convert to a religion (sex, caste, creed etc.) of our choice.
Crookbond Posted November 27, 2014 Posted November 27, 2014 Pakistani text book on Physics Another d!ck measuring contest? Not surprising coming from someone who said that Philip Hughes was a kaanspiracy to distract Indians from the Australian tour. :facepalm: Our development oriented nation has its fair share of such high class horsesh!t - Dronacharya was India's 1st T best tube baby, Ganesh head was due to plastic surgery, Stem cells in the Ramayana, Nuclear Weapons in the Mahabharata etc etc. So prod!
Kalia_Test Posted November 27, 2014 Posted November 27, 2014 You can write in normal letters - I could read, you know :) In order to convert, in some states it requires prior permission of the District Magistrate. Now, of course the natural argument is to say it is to prevent conversions (and unlike what some would say is not necessarily restricted to ) but what is often conveniently overlooked is that religion is my personal business and the state has no right to grant permission and should neither require an information. In case the state is concerned about fraudulent conversions, it is their prerogative to come up with a method that doesn't violate civil liberties. So yes, the apostasy laws in India are not full retard but there is an existence of an apostasy law in some form nonetheless. You and I should' require "prior permission" from anyone to convert to a religion (sex, caste, creed etc.) of our choice. I bolded all my responses after your comments. It just happened that this particular response fell outside of quotes for some reason. I thought it was pretty common to highlight one's responses. Anyway.... I get your point that some states need the convert to register and give notice to a magistrate,etc. I would call this prior information and not prior permission - big difference. Even if the magistrate sees something fraudulent, it is against various organizations trying to allure or provide incentives to people - where the magistrate assumes the job of ensuring that the proposed conversion is done of free will and nothing else but free will. This will obviously be subjective to some extent. Even these laws are contested in few states through PILs on infringement on Right to Privacy. I still don't see any law in any state which prohibits me from choosing any religion ( even conceding that in some states an additional process has been laid out ). Nice discussion BTW
Precambrian Posted November 27, 2014 Posted November 27, 2014 Pakistani text book on Physics Well in a way it has nicely bridged the religion science divide. What is Allah? The undefinable. Sameness for starting point of physics.
Crookbond Posted November 27, 2014 Posted November 27, 2014 I bolded all my responses after your comments. It just happened that this particular response fell outside of quotes for some reason. I thought it was pretty common to highlight one's responses. Anyway.... I get your point that some states need the convert to register and give notice to a magistrate,etc. I would call this prior information and not prior permission - big difference. Even if the magistrate sees something fraudulent, it is against various organizations trying to allure or provide incentives to people - where the magistrate assumes the job of ensuring that the proposed conversion is done of free will and nothing else but free will. This will obviously be subjective to some extent. Even these laws are contested in few states through PILs on infringement on Right to Privacy. I still don't see any law in any state which prohibits me from choosing any religion ( even conceding that in some states an additional process has been laid out ). Nice discussion BTW I can post a law of at least one state where the law itself states that it is prior permission from DM and not prior information. I really liked the discussion with you, much much more mature. :)
Crookbond Posted November 27, 2014 Posted November 27, 2014 Well in a way it has nicely bridged the religion science divide. What is Allah? The undefinable. Sameness for starting point of physics. Come again? Isn't that text BS?! I mean science-religion divide in a science textbook?
Precambrian Posted November 27, 2014 Posted November 27, 2014 Come again? Isn't that text BS?! I mean science-religion divide in a science textbook? Science isn't absolute. Science cannot explain how the big bang and laws of physics came into place. Religion fits into that space - god, allah etc are just terms used to define this undefinable (as of yet) phenomenon. Rather than going crazy about the term "Allah" it is good to step back and think in what respect has the term being used here.
Recommended Posts