Gabba - Brisbane : How many bowlers do we need?

[Lord]

You were looking at it pragmatically - Rohit not being good enough' date=' I'm doing the same. For a moment assume Dhoni is fit and he'd play. Now, he's in the team for sure - we can't change that no matter what we do. I wouldn't really want Dhoni keeping - Saha is better than Dhoni. Similarly, I think Dhoni can do well during batting as he's relieved of the WK load and has one less thing to think about.[/quote'] Yes that way it is a good idea as I said But I wouldn't then want a spinner amongst the 4 bowlers.All 4 bowlers have to be strike options which spinners arent Though as a 5th bowler Ashwin can do.That's his another advantage apart from batting

[Old guy]

what "chance to take 20 wickets " are you talking about? this is the height of illogic and absurdity just because one extra bowler is added a side that takes 14 wickets is going to take 20? are you for real? bowler of similar quality= attack of the same level...is it so hard for you to grasp? when people are moving a broken down bus or car, extra people can help because they bring in additional physical strength what "extra" does a fifth bowler bring in case of bowling?....getafix's magic potion? he is just sharing the overs instead of 4.....same bowling level,same probability of getting wickets sharing workload does not increase the strength of attack you lot remind of flat earth believers, UFO sightseers. talking about things that has not happened or going to happen. if your theory was decent, you should be able to provide instances where it has worked.. why is there not a SINGLE INSTANCE of an overseas win across some three decades for indian cricket? why it has been so hard to play 5 bowlers even in the days of kapil and prabhakar if your theory was workable , it would have worked by now we have seen our batting excel...we have seen spinner winning for us at home...these things have happened becase they are real you hardly see your theory in practise because it does not work feasibly for the long term opinions have to be based on proper facts and ground realities..otherwise your opinions go into the realm of fantasies. bother about what happens on a cricket field FIRST .what is use of quixotic theories that are unsubstantiated to say the least?

There is not a single side in world today who goes into test matches away from subcontinent with just 3 quick bowlers because simply they will get over bowled Did u see England series ? Test by test our bowlers got tired and then injured and some of them have still not made full recovery Ishant got injured in series and bhuvi was totally tired and over bowled and in last 2 games was shadow of a bowler he was at start .. You ask me about history of Indian cricket ? I ask u what have we achieved away from home in our entire history ? We only win matches on bowling track and on true pitch our bowlers lose steam after few sessions and look tired Freaking ishant in 2011 England series refused to bowl after getting 4 wickets and how badly did it cost us ? How many bowler sin world bowl 7 over spell in every session and bowl more than 25 over in inning over course of 4 match series ? There is a reason even this Australian side prefers to play bowlers and all rounders ahead of specialist batsmen ...Watson cannot bow ? They include another all rounder because that is what u need to bowl over 2 innings and get 20 wickets , Now at home we can be great with 4 bowlers as 2 of them are spinner and each of them will bowl most of the overs at least 70 between them and remainder 20 are bowled by 2 quick bowlers so u can imagine here is twice as much work load at he very least and not just that they also have to be lot more effective than home so our strategy of playing 4 bowlers at home just does not work here unfortunately and we have seen it time and time again bowlers bowling well in 2 sessions and looks completely tired in third and giving away any advantage they have . Like I said instead of looking at history see current teams ...South Africa lost mall is but instead of playing just batsman to replace guy who averaged over 50 they play likes of maclaren That did not work so they just drop spinner and ask duminy to become bowler and play 4 proper quick bowlers I can go on and give u example of every country playing 4 quicks with 1 spinner or just 4 quicks and part timer because it is just not possible for 3 bowlers to bowl at same intensity and be effective eon any type of normal track l..obviously on bowling track hints are different as u can be more effective over shorter time and our recent history with last test at lords prove it but even there on that track where we did not need to bowl as much we over bowled ishant and he got injured ..and we lost series then and there In next match bhuvi lost most of his zip and it got worse as series went on ...if u still don't see why we need 4 quicks then it's upto you but yes I agree on tracks like Adelaide it does not matter as we would not have picked 20 wickets anyway but even Australians would not have until we decided to give 8 wickets in last session ..but most other tracks will be lot better and we save in last Australian series it self how we lost games in middle when our intensity dropped Instead of looking at as addition of one guy look at it as rediction of load on all 5 bowlers with each of them bowling shorter spell staying more fresh with more rotation option it will not only mean 5 bowler will pick wickets but also remaining 4 will be lot more effective . I remember when philander got injured in test match in Australia and South Africa were left with 4 bowlers and they were whining all day about injury and it effected other bowlers like steyn and morkel now think spa out it that we always go into test match with that handicap and worst part the batsman we play does worse than bowler we play with bat :hysterical:

[Old guy]

Now please don't reply with another ufo analogy ..I gave u example and I request u to look at every team p,acting today away from subcontinent at their home or away and see how many quicks they play .. They will either pay all rounder who can bowl quick bowling or part timer but never sacrifice or plan to play with 3 quicks ...there are always exception depending on track and problems in squad like injury but generally this is the case with all of those teams like South africa ,England ,Australia and New Zealand and those are their home conditions ... nkw I am not saying playing 4 quicks means instant success but tell me what are we losing here ? Contribution of rohit Sharma ? Ashwin is easily better batsman in these conditions and has record to back it ...so what is the harm in changing balance when 4 bowlers have not worked for us England twice in South africa,New Zealand and Australia and now we are still going with same balance ? How anyobest matches did the extra batsman saved ? Even in England it was bowlers like bhuvan who got us draw and next match was result and rest we lost with 6 batsman and keeper and all premiums series have been white washes ....tell me why 6 batsman ? I have u plenty of reasons for 4 quicks and even example of what every team is doing currently but what is logic with 6 pure batsmen.?

[Old guy]

And now last thing I already explained this briefly but this needs explanation the extra bowler on his own won't pick 5 more wickets no one said that but it's more about how fresh everyone stays Johnson one day bowled less than 20 overs and siddle bowled 10 and had bad day can any of our quicks afford that ? Freaking keeper of our team has bowl in every series for me that is the lowest of low of our every away tour when dhoni has to bowl to keep bowlers fresh .. There is huge difference eight bowling 4 overs or 5 overs with intent than just going through motion through 7 overs just bowl quick one day on pitch and u will know and extra bowler will reduce work load of these by easy 20 overs of bowling and he himself will be threat ...we will be able to maintain pressure over longer time with no one getting tired and this honestly is very simple to understand and this is why every team follows this currently ...

[BeautifulGame]

You were looking at it pragmatically - Rohit not being good enough' date=' I'm doing the same. For a moment assume Dhoni is fit and he'd play. Now, he's in the team for sure - we can't change that no matter what we do. I wouldn't really want Dhoni keeping - Saha is better than Dhoni. Similarly, I think Dhoni can do well during batting as he's relieved of the WK load and has one less thing to think about.[/quote'] Even if Saha is selected Dhoni will continue to keep and Saha will play as batsman Dhoni has never given up wk duties even when another wk played in the XI

[bowl_out]

Even if Saha is selected Dhoni will continue to keep and Saha will play as batsman Dhoni has never given up wk duties even when another wk played in the XI

Else Saha keeps and Dhoni plays as a fast bowling all rounder :--D More seriously though, who do you tout to be the best No. 6 who can contribute most to the team - Saha, Ashwin, Raina or Rohit? For me, Ashwin is the best batsman and best bowler of the four. Easy pick

[Crookbond]

Even if Saha is selected Dhoni will continue to keep and Saha will play as batsman Dhoni has never given up wk duties even when another wk played in the XI

There are times when he has if I remember correctly.

[BlueBee]

It's a f'n green top. http://www.cricket.com.au/news/gabba-deck-may-carry-more-juice-than-usual-australia-india-second-test/2014-12-16

[sensible-indian]

There is not a single side in world today who goes into test matches away from subcontinent with just 3 quick bowlers because simply they will get over bowled Did u see England series ? Test by test our bowlers got tired and then injured and some of them have still not made full recovery Ishant got injured in series and bhuvi was totally tired and over bowled and in last 2 games was shadow of a bowler he was at start .. You ask me about history of Indian cricket ? I ask u what have we achieved away from home in our entire history ? We only win matches on bowling track and on true pitch our bowlers lose steam after few sessions and look tired Freaking ishant in 2011 England series refused to bowl after getting 4 wickets and how badly did it cost us ? How many bowler sin world bowl 7 over spell in every session and bowl more than 25 over in inning over course of 4 match series ? There is a reason even this Australian side prefers to play bowlers and all rounders ahead of specialist batsmen ...Watson cannot bow ? They include another all rounder because that is what u need to bowl over 2 innings and get 20 wickets , Now at home we can be great with 4 bowlers as 2 of them are spinner and each of them will bowl most of the overs at least 70 between them and remainder 20 are bowled by 2 quick bowlers so u can imagine here is twice as much work load at he very least and not just that they also have to be lot more effective than home so our strategy of playing 4 bowlers at home just does not work here unfortunately and we have seen it time and time again bowlers bowling well in 2 sessions and looks completely tired in third and giving away any advantage they have . Like I said instead of looking at history see current teams ...South Africa lost mall is but instead of playing just batsman to replace guy who averaged over 50 they play likes of maclaren That did not work so they just drop spinner and ask duminy to become bowler and play 4 proper quick bowlers I can go on and give u example of every country playing 4 quicks with 1 spinner or just 4 quicks and part timer because it is just not possible for 3 bowlers to bowl at same intensity and be effective eon any type of normal track l..obviously on bowling track hints are different as u can be more effective over shorter time and our recent history with last test at lords prove it but even there on that track where we did not need to bowl as much we over bowled ishant and he got injured ..and we lost series then and there In next match bhuvi lost most of his zip and it got worse as series went on ...if u still don't see why we need 4 quicks then it's upto you but yes I agree on tracks like Adelaide it does not matter as we would not have picked 20 wickets anyway but even Australians would not have until we decided to give 8 wickets in last session ..but most other tracks will be lot better and we save in last Australian series it self how we lost games in middle when our intensity dropped Instead of looking at as addition of one guy look at it as rediction of load on all 5 bowlers with each of them bowling shorter spell staying more fresh with more rotation option it will not only mean 5 bowler will pick wickets but also remaining 4 will be lot more effective . I remember when philander got injured in test match in Australia and South Africa were left with 4 bowlers and they were whining all day about injury and it effected other bowlers like steyn and morkel now think spa out it that we always go into test match with that handicap and worst part the batsman we play does worse than bowler we play with bat :hysterical:

Brilliant brilliant post. Many Indians criticize Dhoni (rightly so) and then turn around and want to pick only 4 bowlers. Mindblowing it is. 5 bowler it is.

[rkt.india]

Brilliant brilliant post. Many Indians criticize Dhoni (rightly so) and then turn around and want to pick only 4 bowlers. Mindblowing it is. 5 bowler it is.

you can pick 4 bowlers but those 4 must be pacers and use part timers .

[Old guy]

Yes I even gave example of South Africa doing that with duminy .. I hope we do that atleast once in this series because honestly we lose nothing as batsman we play at 6 does worse than ashwin or even bhuvi ( who is unfortunately injured ) Also sorry for typos I posted that from iPad while standing :cantstop:

[Shivaji bhonsle]

Hope Ravi sashtri forces Dhoni to pick 4 fast bowlers.

[Cricket_Hacker]

Would be happy be Ashwin,UMESH,Aaron,Ishant + Raina offies

[rkt.india]

Umesh is unlikely to play.

[bowl_out]

Umesh is unlikely to play.

Why?

[BlueBee]

Umesh must play :hitler:

[Lord]

Dhoni said he might go with 5 bowlers :woot:

[BlueBee]

^ Where

[Lord]

^ Where

http://www.gocricket.com/news/Australia-v-India-2014-15-Brisbane-Test-MS-Dhoni-hints-at-five-bowlers/articleshow/45532860.cms

[BlueBee]

:omg: He's Dhoni's doppelganger