Terrorists attack Peshawar School

[Asim]

FB profile cover of a martyred student Mubeen Shah Afridi https://www.facebook.com/mubeen.shah28

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[Old guy]

I was avoiding this news deliberately but this photo and profile really make it feel real :((

[bulbul]

Fifteen-year-old Dawood, could not wake up on time and had to skip school. He is the only survivor of his school's ninth grade class. He has now buried six of his closest friends in one day. The shock has rendered him speechless and he is showing no emotion. "Dawood isn't talking to anyone, he isn't talking at all," his elder brother Sufyan Ibrahim said. "He is in judo and is a tough child but he is showing no emotion at all right now. He just attended funerals the entire day. No one from his class survived. Every single one of them was killed."

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/pakistan-dawood-ibrahim-lone-survivor-of-the-massacred-class-9-in-the-peshawar-school-attack/518519-56.html

[Aaku]

FB profile cover of a martyred student Mubeen Shah Afridi https://www.facebook.com/mubeen.shah28

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:(( RIP

[Sidhoni]

:(( no words

[CommonMan]

a lunatic https://twitter.com/ZaidZamanHamid/status/544850536244072448 https://twitter.com/ZaidZamanHamid/status/544793754184318977

[bones]

a lunatic https://twitter.com/ZaidZamanHamid/status/544850536244072448 https://twitter.com/ZaidZamanHamid/status/544793754184318977

1 man and a few brainless sheep and you have to quote that here? Why not quote the vast majority of Pakistanis, normal every day civilians who know it's nothing to do with India or anyone else. But a problem within the west region of the country. You see you don't want to do that, nor do many on here, because trolling is more fun. You want to stir up a reaction and any single twitter comment that can help you will work. Like I said yesterday to the other clown who was doing the same. Pakistanis know is responsible, the Taliban know who is responsible and the world know who is responsible. Everyone except some brainless idiots know India or USA or whoever else has nothing to do with the events yesterday.

[bones]

The big question now is how do the army work they way out of this one, it's difficult to see a way without some collateral damage. On the one hand you can't condemn the Israelis for taking military action with collateral damage and then go do it yourself. Looks like this will need a massive ground operation and even that might not work.

[Texy]

a lunatic https://twitter.com/ZaidZamanHamid/status/544850536244072448 https://twitter.com/ZaidZamanHamid/status/544793754184318977

What the hell is RAMA ?? :hmmm: Pakistani TV channels interviewed terrorist Hafiz Saeed, the guy who blamed this on India :headshake:

[Bublu Bhuyan]

My sincere condolences to those who lost their loved ones. This is utterly despicable.

[CommonMan]

1 man and a few brainless sheep and you have to quote that here? Why not quote the vast majority of Pakistanis, normal every day civilians who know it's nothing to do with India or anyone else. But a problem within the west region of the country. You see you don't want to do that, nor do many on here, because trolling is more fun. You want to stir up a reaction and any single twitter comment that can help you will work. Like I said yesterday to the other clown who was doing the same. Pakistanis know is responsible, the Taliban know who is responsible and the world know who is responsible. Everyone except some brainless idiots know India or USA or whoever else has nothing to do with the events yesterday.

why should I not quote it here? you can go reply him what you think of his comments. I have done that.

[vvvslaxman]

a lunatic https://twitter.com/ZaidZamanHamid/status/544850536244072448 https://twitter.com/ZaidZamanHamid/status/544793754184318977

This guy is a totall loony and attention seeker. Zaid Hamid @ZaidZamanHamid · 21h 21 hours ago Nawaz Shareef is blocking the death sentence of the terrorists. Either he hangs them or we hang him ! No mercy now! Here is another.. he is ready to go after USA as well. These nutjobs should not be given importance.

[jonas10]

Feel sorry for the kids but hard to sympathize with such a garbage country. Look at the vitriol being spewed by Hamid/ Saeed etc. Blaming India and US! Literally the only country that cares besides Pakistan are Indians! Not your precious arabs which view Pakistanis as dog equivalents. Pakistanis so quick to rush to arab defense when anything Israel happens. Now where are the same Arabs when you need them.

[Haarkarjeetgaye]

1 man and a few brainless sheep and you have to quote that here? Why not quote the vast majority of Pakistanis, normal every day civilians who know it's nothing to do with India or anyone else. But a problem within the west region of the country. You see you don't want to do that, nor do many on here, because trolling is more fun. You want to stir up a reaction and any single twitter comment that can help you will work. Like I said yesterday to the other clown who was doing the same. Pakistanis know is responsible, the Taliban know who is responsible and the world know who is responsible. Everyone except some brainless idiots know India or USA or whoever else has nothing to do with the events yesterday.

sorry but where are the vast majority of Pakistanis when it comes to stopping such arseholes to talk? Imagine Mullah Fazlullah, the perpetrator of this attack giving interviews on Afghan TV against Pakistan

[coffee_rules]

[adi B]

This guy sajid rana is a pathetic human being,might well be a terrorist sympathiser

[adi B]

Watching dd national right now,good debate going and very valid points given. Hundreds of ahmadis,shias die,hindu girls are picked and raped but nobody gives a damn in pak and it is trivialised but now when this terrible incident happened, they have realized the pain. The society is made in such a way in pak,the mentality totally fecked up

[scorpio90]

A western viewpoint: Pakistan’s Dance With Terrorists Just Backfired and Killed 132 Children by Chris Allbritton http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/16/pakistan-s-alliance-with-terrorists-just-backfired-and-killed-132-schoolchildren.html

For decades, Pakistan’s generals have treated jihadi groups as assets to use against India. That policy didn’t protect their very own children. Today’s horrific attack in Peshawar on a military school, in which scores of children were killed by the Pakistani Taliban, should put Pakistan’s security choices over the last few decades in a stark light. And while the immediate reaction from the Pakistani military will no doubt be swift and terrible, Pakistan needs to think long and hard about what kind of country it wants to be when the initial retaliation is over. Will it be one that continues to treat extremist groups as assets to use against its regional rivals? Or will this stomach-churning attack finally be the last straw that convinces the “establishment,” as it’s called, that playing with the fire of Islamic radicalism cannot continue. “We’ve made huge sacrifices in the war on terror,” says Erum Haider, a Pakistani graduate student at Georgetown. “Whatever strategic interests there are or were in the region, the children and parents of Pakistan didn’t ask for them.” History, geography, and the leaders of both the United States and Pakistan have conspired to make Pakistan a frontline state in the war on terror. And Pakistan has a long history of using non-state actors to project power beyond its borders. Driven by a deep sense of insecurity regarding Afghanistan and India, Pakistan has pursued a security strategy that incorporates conventional elements of deterrence—the world’s sixth largest army and the fastest-growing nuclear arsenal—with the use of militant groups that allow it to harass its rivals while maintaining a thin fiction of deniability. As Saed Shah wrote in The Economist back in 2011, Pakistan feels it has no choice but to support jihadist groups. Archrival India has money to throw around, and Iran and Russia are also exerting influence in the region. So Pakistan, as a senior Pakistani official told Shah, is forced to play the latest version of the Great Game, too. “Except we have no money. All we have are the crazies. So the crazies it is.” The list of “crazies” supported by Pakistan is long: Lashkar-e-Taiba, which attacked Mumbai in 2008 with help from former members of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence spy agency; the Haqqani network, one of the most ruthless and effective groups operating in Afghanistan, which also was behind the 2011 bombing of the Indian embassy in Kabul with the connivance of the ISI; and of course the Afghan Taliban, set up in the mid-1990s under the mentorship of the former director general of the ISI, Hamid Gul, who to this day spews anti-Western conspiracies on mainstream Pakistani television shows. And that’s just the biggest crazies. There are Kashmiri separatist groups, groups that demand the slaughter of Shiites, and—perhaps—al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden, if you believe Carlotta Gall’s reporting. The Pakistani Taliban, which has claimed credit for today’s attack, is not considered part of that toxic stew by the generals. It is “the bad Taliban,” as it’s often called, implying those other mass murderers are the good ones. And the reason it’s “good,” in the minds of the spy chiefs and generals, is because it does Pakistan’s bidding and doesn’t attack the state. That’s a dangerous opinion to hold. “While Pakistan might think that the Haqqani network is useful for Afghanistan, and in return that they will not attack inside Pakistan, the reality is that the Haqqani network can still provide support to Pakistani Taliban that can attack inside Pakistan,” said Husain Haqqani, director for South and Central Asia at the Hudson Institute in Washington, D.C., former Pakistani ambassador to the United States, and author of Pakistan: Between Mosque and Military. “Pakistan needs to get out of denial that there are any jihadi groups that can be trusted or considered allies of the state,” he said. “However useful they might be for external purposes, they will always be dangerous internally.” Although it differs in its targets, the Pakistani Taliban, which calls itself Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), arose from the same ideological swamp as the other groups. The harsh Islamization of Pakistan, which started under Zulfikar Bhutto in the mid-1970s—when he forged tighter bonds with Saudi Arabia, declared the minority Muslim sect Ahmadis as non-Muslims, and banned the sale of alcohol, all for the political support of the religious class—only accelerated under the military rule of Zia-ul-Haq. After the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1979, Zia feared further Soviet aggression and worked with the United States and Saudi Arabia to bog down the Red Army, fostering the seven mujahideen groups—including what would become the Haqqani network—and encouraging the further Islamization of Pakistani society in the face of “atheistic and communist” aggression from Moscow. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union following its retreat from Afghanistan, Pakistan has helped, or at least not hindered, the rise of groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba and the Afghan Taliban, all of which were considered useful. But why did the generals feel the need to rely on these groups, even after the Soviets left Afghanistan? “Pakistan now has a nuclear deterrent, so therefore it does not have an external security challenge of the type that Pakistanis have consistently been brought up to fear,” Haqqani said. “Nobody can send in an army and occupy Pakistan anymore. So this should have been a time for Pakistan to feel more secure … and start building inwards.” But instead, he said, driven by six decades of insecurity, the Pakistani deep state decided it wanted to be as powerful as India, a country more than six times the size of Pakistan and immeasurably wealthier. “This pursuit of parity is what necessitates asymmetrical warfare capability, because that’s the only thing that gives them an advantage,” he said. “But events like this should make the Pakistani deep state realize that asymmetric warfare is never a good capability to have at the level we have developed.” “As Hillary Clinton said, ‘You can’t nurture snakes in your backyard.’” In short, Pakistan can’t quit its crazies. “[Today’s attack] is a result of a sustained policy gone wrong,” Haqqani concluded. “And it can only be changed by a new, sustained policy.” So what should be done? So many decades of pushing an anti-Western agenda in the media has made much of the Pakistani public—and certainly large swaths of its middle class—open to religious and nationalist appeals. There are many in Pakistan, for example, who consider the Taliban attack on Nobel Laureate Malala Yousafzai a CIA plot or a hoax, intended to undermine Islamic values. Many don’t, or can’t, believe that Osama in Laden was killed only a stone’s throw away from one of Pakistan’s most elite military academies. Instead, they spin dark theories that it was all a set-up to make Pakistan look bad. “The extremist Islamist ideology has a domestic component as well,” said Haqqani. “There will always be extremists that say, ‘Why are women wearing Western dress? Why are girls going to school?’” Speaking of schools, Pakistan’s textbooks are full of xenophobic, anti-Western and anti-Shiite sentiments, producing generations of students open to the extremists’ hateful rhetoric. Its blasphemy law, which carries the death penalty, is frequently invoked and just as frequently misused. Many of those accused are religious minorities, and more than 62 have been murdered since 1990, including the governor of Punjab, Salman Taseer. Haqqani says the military establishment, which can push whatever propaganda it wants through Pakistan’s media, must finally decide to change the message of victimization, threat, and paranoia. Haqqani is hardly a disinterested observer, to be fair. In 2011-12, he was involved in a controversy when he was ambassador to the United States, in which he was accused of writing a memo to the Pentagon in the days immediately after the killing of bin Laden, asking the United States for help in staving off a military coup. The Pakistani military had been humiliated by the Abbottabad raid, and the mood in the capital, where I was working for Reuters at the time, was tense. A coup didn’t seem completely far-fetched. In return for asking an ally for help in preserving Pakistan’s weak democracy, Haqqani was branded a traitor on every major television station, prevented from leaving the country, and confined to the prime minister’s residence out of fear for his safety. He was eventually allowed to leave, but he was forced to resign as ambassador and now lives in Washington, effectively in exile. “Unless there’s a national narrative change, we will continue to have tragedies followed by anger and remorse,” he said. “Instead of cultivating only those elements in the Pakistani discourse that support the jihadi perspective, maybe it’s time for the Pakistani establishment to stop treating the anti-jihadists as its enemies.”

[Stuge]

I feel India has gone over the top by doing 2 min silence in Schools and parliament as a good gesture, when you hear Musharraf blaming India for the attacks .

[BlackMamba]

A western viewpoint: Pakistan’s Dance With Terrorists Just Backfired and Killed 132 Children by Chris Allbritton http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/16/pakistan-s-alliance-with-terrorists-just-backfired-and-killed-132-schoolchildren.html

The army chief flies to Afghanistan to demand the extradition of the Terrorist in Chief. 2 Points 1) That Terrorist Mazlullah (or whatever his name is) is NOT in Afghanistan's Custody. He does not get a Heroes Welcome in Afghanistan. 2) And please allow me to yell at the top of my Lungs - WHAT HAS F'ING PAKISTAN DONE TO INDIA's TERRORIST IN CHIEF - HAFEEZ ?? F'ING A-HOLES ! Hyprocisy at large. Sorry to say -- HAVE NO REMORSE FOR THEM !