Malcolm Merlyn Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Yes' date=' living safely in the west, you would like nothing more than a nuclear war between both country so that when Pakistan is eliminated, you can celebrate, no matter how much suffering happens back home[/quote'] Pak Generals living in luxury dont have the balls to go nuclear.They knw they face total annihilation if they do so.About time someone calls their bluff.
CSK Fan Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 We had different Govt then. Lets give this Govt a chance. Err, what did you expect the government to do? At least give alternatives instead of spouting absolute garbage. Nuke them? We all saw what BJP did when out flight was hijacked, released some of the biggest terrorists ever. The fact is, once Pakistan had nuke, there is nothing we could do. Because of our proximity, we cannot afford a nuclear war and knowing Pakistan, they are dumb enough to use nuke if they start losing to us
CSK Fan Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Pak Generals living in luxury dont have the balls to go nuclear.They knw they face total annihilation if they do so.About time someone calls their bluff. But if they lose to India, the very reason for their existence would be over. Another lose to India would empty their pocket and their power. They might not use nuke themselves, but they are definitely going to give it to the jihadis.
surajmal Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Err, what did you expect the government to do? At least give alternatives instead of spouting absolute garbage. Nuke them? We all saw what BJP did when out flight was hijacked, released some of the biggest terrorists ever. The fact is, once Pakistan had nuke, there is nothing we could do. Because of our proximity, we cannot afford a nuclear war and knowing Pakistan, they are dumb enough to use nuke if they start losing to us Lets address this irrationality of Pakis. If they are as crazy as you say they are, why haven't they used their nukes already?
bulbul Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Err, what did you expect the government to do? At least give alternatives instead of spouting absolute garbage. Nuke them? We all saw what BJP did when out flight was hijacked, released some of the biggest terrorists ever. The fact is, once Pakistan had nuke, there is nothing we could do. Because of our proximity, we cannot afford a nuclear war and knowing Pakistan, they are dumb enough to use nuke if they start losing to us :hmmmm2:
BlackMamba Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Who are they? 1) Pakistani public? - No, they are not hostile to India. However, they have been fed so much misinformation and propaganda by the army that niw they cannot think independently. So they are a big believer in conspiracy theories no matter what the evidence to the contrary 2) Pakistan government? - The civilian government power is very limited. Army is calling the shots as they do. So they would rather be corrupt and loot money 3) The army? - They have always been the real culprits. They caused Kargil when Sharif wanted to sign the peace agreement. Peace with India is the last thing the army wants. Their entire source of existence, wealth and power will disappear the day there is peace. What do you mean by they are not hostile ? They are Delusional Dicks Living in a Land of Denial ! Dude there are some very educated idiots who consider this to be from a James Bond movie (as per comments on Dawn) In this day and age, where the internet is available and information is on your finger tips, you can use to make your own decisions, whats stopping the Pakis from doing that ? We are not living in the Stone Age !
CSK Fan Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 I can equally rationalize your position. You have a no problem with bomb blasts happening in Indian cities because chances of YOU getting caught in them is astronomically small. 1) For now, the bomb blasts have been extremely small. This is because, contrary to popular opinion, hardly any Indians have been involved in terror activities. The Bangalore blast was something so small that the death happened because of fluke. Any big attack had to involve direct Pakistani citizens which gives a lot of hope to me about them not getting enough Indian recruits directly. Despite huge money involved into organizations like India Mujaheddin, the end results have been nothing to write home about 2) India shares a border with Pakistan. Unlike US's situation where they could attack without fear of retaliation. 3) Nukes are a genuine concern. When taking on a rogue state, you need more diplomacy than show of power 4) You hinted at changes happening with the current government. What do you think the current government will do? Surgical strikes? Full on war? Put your money where your mouth is and let's see if that comes true.
CSK Fan Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 What do you mean by they are not hostile ? They are Delusional Dicks Living in a Land of Denial ! Dude there are some very educated idiots who consider this to be from a James Bond movie (as per comments on Dawn) In this day and age, where the internet is available and information is on your finger tips, you can use to make your own decisions, whats stopping the Pakis from doing that ? We are not living in the Stone Age ! Because if you hear day in and day out that someone is the villain, right from childhood, you are bound to believe that. And no, reading and understanding things on the internet doesn't work like that. Read up on cognitive biases like confirmation bias and backfire effect. No matter how much the information is available, if you are biased, you will read and understand only what you want. It is human nature and nothing to do with intellect and education
FischerTal Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 in gujarat right at now. feel a bit scared. first we will have pravasi bharatiya divas, then vibrant gujarat summit, uttarayan festival, and then obama visit. security is pretty tight at key installations but not that great elsewhere
jalebi_bhai Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Their military is worth billions of dollars of business. Every cent of their investment comes from the terror bogey. Both at home and from the US. So no, nothing is going to change. Whenever the military fails, they will do something against India to make sure their funding keeps on coming. They have handed over so much power to the military (and as a result ISI) that now there is absolutely no hope for them. Pakistani military is never going to let there be peace with India. The very reason for their existence will cease to exist. And they have fed the common public with so much misinformation and propaganda that they have ceased to have any capability of thinking rationally. the country is past any saving IMO. They are big time suppliers of arms.........there are a fair amount of weapons factories in Pakistan.......probably with US patronage........that's probably the army's chief source of income...... Anti-India jingoism and Kashmir are the only two issues that are keeping that nation together........
RedFever Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Pakistani Boat Blows Up Off Gujarat Coast: Unanswered Questions http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/pakistani-boat-blows-up-off-gujarat-coast-unanswered-questions-643312 Why is the traitor Paki news channel allowed to operate
surajmal Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 1) For now' date=' the bomb blasts have been extremely small. This is because, contrary to popular opinion, hardly any Indians have been involved in terror activities. The Bangalore blast was something so small that the death happened because of fluke. Any big attack had to involve direct Pakistani citizens which gives a lot of hope to me about them not getting enough Indian recruits directly. Despite huge money involved into organizations like India Mujaheddin, the end results have been nothing to write home about[/quote'] Wait a few months. Tit for tat has proven to with the most effective strategy to induce cooperation in a setup without a policing figurehead such as foreign diplomacy. SF ops on the border posts; CT ops, assassinations in Pakistan, assistance to Baluchistan would be good start and leaves enough leeway below full scale war threshold. Since doval is himself an advocate of such things, I think, in a couple of years, we will start seeing somethings. But even these things require political will which none of the past govts (NDA included) displayed.
riya Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Pak as usual will cry conspiracy and so on...According to them only TTPs are terrorosts,the rest of them are freedom fighters and manufactured terrorists such as Amar singh,harinder kapoor etc..
jalebi_bhai Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 If govt didn't release the news to the media and let things slide' date=' pakistan could have claimed we blew up their fishing ship and we would be left to play catch up trying to justify our actions. Now let them play catch up, the narrative has already been set.[/quote'] Sorry dude......I'd have to disagree........ Under normal circumstances........that would be a problem.........if it were a credible country making such a claim........then we'd have to play catch up........but this is Pakistan we are talking about........ever since 26/11.......after the dirt we were able to find........their credibility is finished....... If they were to prove such a claim........they would have to prove it with evidence........now why do you think the boat exploded to begin with? To make sure that the ICG couldn't find any remains as evidence........you can't make claims willy-nilly without evidence......Indian intel had been monitoring phone conversations regarding this whole operation.......World asks for evidence.......we give them the relevant phone convos and satellite tracking information that the NTRO has...... The reason why they should've kept this low profile is because terrorism is bad for business....among many other things obviously....... We don't want investors having second thoughts about investing in India.......our intelligence services are good.......but the fact that we have more than multiple external threats in our neighbourhood always leaves room for uncertainty....... The threat itself is off putting to many people........what helps India is that we are now considered to be a credible nation with great potential........but that reputation can only help to a limit...... Another issue that I had.......the NTRO came out saying that they have dedicated satellites to monitor terrorist movements emerging from Pakistan........revealing such info helps terrorists plan their operations.........the next time they try to attack, they could launch multiple false-flags, making things harder to deal with........there is no real reason to leak security procedures via MSM to the general public........
Gollum Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Whatever critics may say under the present Government Indian armed forces and security establishment have grown a new spine. Indo-Pak border skirmishes and this incident of the Pakistani boat off the coast of Gujarat are great signs for our country's future. First time in 60+ years that India is giving it back to it's enemies with 'double the force' rather than ducking and weaving. UPA government issued orders to the army to duck when Pakistanis would fire, Namo govt has given license to the army to fire back in case of provocation, this shows who the patriots are and more importantly who the traitor scum are. Arvind Kejriwal and Sonia Gandhi mourn for Batla house terrorists,Sohrabuddin,Ishrat Jahan and are on the same page as Hurriyat regarding the future of Kashmir, while Namo,Parrikar,Jaitley want to eliminate these terrorist b@stards from the earth for eternity; patriotic Indians take your call who best serves India's interests.
Number Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Wow. NDTV working to make it look like an inside job or what ?
Number Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Now Indian express says according to their sources it were some petty smugglers not terrorists.
asterix Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Now Indian express says according to their sources it were some petty smugglers not terrorists. I'd inkling that its a botched job...
FischerTal Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 even if its botched, one good thing is it keeps security agencies alert
Malcolm Merlyn Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 But if they lose to India' date=' the very reason for their existence would be over. Another lose to India would empty their pocket and their power. They might not use nuke themselves, but they are definitely going to give it to the jihadis.[/quote'] You are assuming that a full fledged war will take place.Secondly the Pak Army has lost 4 times to India and cannot win even in future thats why they have resorted to terrorism. The choice for Pak Army will be to let go off the terrorists or go to a full scale war with India in which that will face a defeat and in case they even think about Nukes will face total annihilation.Do you think those generals will be foolish to risk a full scale war plus nuke for a few thousand Jihadis?Right now they are basin their actions on the fact that India wont launch an attack. Do you know how the Pak PM ran to different countries in aftermath of 26/11 saying India will attack stop them etc etc etc. If anyone thinks that Pak will go nuclear if India takes out terrorists inside Pak territory then they are mistaken.
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