BBC Greatest ODI XI

[Bublu Bhuyan]

Its all about natural game. You think Dravid used to do it intentionally?

Well if he valued about his personal scores more than what his team wanted, it's his choice.

[Bublu Bhuyan]

You are fit to watch only ODIs. Are you suggesting that batsmen like Gavaskar and Amarnath were not good test match players?

Sunny averaged 67 against the WI with 13 centuries. Can Draw-Id claim figures against Aus and SA, the 2 best attacks of their time?

[Bublu Bhuyan]

I'd rate guys like Hayden, 10x better than than snail. He scored his runs at an almost same average, yet he destroyed bowling attacks, taking them apart, not taking 2 days to score a selfish hundred.

[aceofbase]

I would have kohli in place of lara

[zen]

Hold on Sir Jee' date=' you need to keep in mind your hero's magnificent SR of [b']42 in Tests before accusing others of being selfish. Not to mention a magnificent SR of 71 in an era where that wicket keeper Gilly had an SR of 96 :hysterical::hysterical:

Where have I said that only Dravid is my hero and SRT is not :cantstop: .... I appreciate both of them :hatsoff: When it comes to tests, I think Lara is the best of his generation, while Bradman is best overall. In ODIs, I rank SRT as the best of his generation, while Richards is at the top overall .... As a Bhaktjan, you may have taken an offence to this line of argument and misconstrued this as only Dravid is my hero and SRT is not. As I said, I appreciate both SRT and Dravid, along with other greats :nice: PS Enjoy the world cup, rather than waiting to get the sword out at the slightest mention of the word SRT w/o understanding the context

[Sidhoni]

Dravid and selfish in the same sentence! :blink:

[Laaloo]

Dravid and selfish in the same sentence! :blink:

yeah it should be stamped on the back of his shirt instead of his name

[sweetaskandy]

On what basis are these names greater than kapil dev in odis ?? Speaks volumes about your blind anti Indian bias when you are rating people who havnt even played a dozen odis as better than dev.

I was talking generally and BatAve - bwlAve is a generally used rule of thumb for ARs with decent sample size. You know this. ODI specific I still rather Kallis, Imran, Klusener, Flintoff and Watson in ODIs. You are allowed your POV but just accept that most experts don't agree [i linked to about 20 selected x1s earlier - 1 picked KD] and Dev is not so clear cut a choice. :nice:

[CSK Fan]

Dravid and selfish in the same sentence! :blink:

Nahi, nahi a batsman is only selfish when he struggles for form and timing and plays slow in 1 or 2 innings in 21 years. If he plays slow his entire career he is very selfless

[Muloghonto]

I was talking generally and BatAve - bwlAve is a generally used rule of thumb for ARs with decent sample size. You know this. ODI specific I still rather Kallis, Imran, Klusener, Flintoff and Watson in ODIs. You are allowed your POV but just accept that most experts don't agree [i linked to about 20 selected x1s earlier - 1 picked KD] and Dev is not so clear cut a choice. :nice:

Nobody rates allrounders by the batting average minus bowling average. Because that would make viv Richards a better allrounder than botham, Steve Waugh a better allrounder than pollock. Almost every expert agrees that in tests, sobers is the best allrounder and in odis, kapil is one of the top contenders. Only idiots will put imran, klusener, Flintoff, Watson on the same level as kapil because kapil has legitimately proven his case for an alltime great odi bowler and an all-time great lower order bat. Imran was not an all-time great bat in odis in any position, rest of them are not anywhere in the same ballpark as kapil as a bowler. Simply as an allrounder, kallis is the only legit contender to kapil in odis but it's hard to find kallis a place in the middle order amidst names like viv,Lara, Ponting, kohli, dhoni, abdv, etc. A balanced odi needs 6 specialist bats, 1 allrounder and 4 specialist bowlers. It goes without saying that in this format, the allrounder needs to be an atg bowler, which kallis was not and yet be good enough to either be in the six specialist bats or be a very good lower order bat. Nobody fulfills this better than kapil and that's a fact.

[Guldozer]

^Kapil being seriously overrated here. And if only idiots put Imran ahead of Kapil, the majority of the world is idiotic.

[BeautifulGame]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/cricket/30983202 Lara,Gayle & Kallis are debatable.

One of the stupidest All time XIs one could come across .Gayle has no business in any all time XI in ODIs.Joke of a selection .Neither does Devilliers frankly until he does something in world cup . Both Imran and Kapil are infinitely better all rounders than Kallis ever was in ODIs.And batting Gilly at 7 to accomodate Gayle :cantstop: Anyway mine would be Gilly Sachin Ponting Richards Martin Crowe © Bevan Kapil Akram Warne Lee / Garner Mcgrath

[Sidhoni]

yeah it should be stamped on the back of his shirt instead of his name

Nahi' date=' nahi a batsman is only selfish when he struggles for form and timing and plays slow in 1 or 2 innings in 21 years. If he plays slow his entire career he is very selfless[/quote'] He is the best team man you can find. And please just do not compare him to Sachin in terms of selfishness, that would be a new low. Playing slow=selfish? Well guess what, he also got you runs where others did not.

[jonas10]

Kallis is the best all rounder since Sobers. LOL @ Kapil and Imran being even in the same class.

[rkt.india]

Well if he valued about his personal scores more than what his team wanted' date=' it's his choice.[/quote'] Why would he play slow by choice? If you have played any sort of cricket or understand any amount of cricket, you would know that every batsman would like to bat quickly if he could. It all depends on ability to do that. Some has that ability, some dont. It has nothing to do with selfishness. If everyone could bat quickly, you would have seen number of Sehwag.

[BeautifulGame]

If there is a SA all rounder deserve to be mentioned in ODI All time XI it's Klusner not Kallis

[rkt.india]

Sunny averaged 67 against the WI with 13 centuries. Can Draw-Id claim figures against Aus and SA' date=' the 2 best attacks of their time?[/quote'] This is such a misconception. WI bowling wasn't the best when Gavaskar made his debut. How many 100s he has against an attack of Holding, Marshal, Garner, Roberts where these 4 played together.

[Stuge]

No sharmajee..hadf

[Muloghonto]

^Kapil being seriously overrated here. And if only idiots put Imran ahead of Kapil, the majority of the world is idiotic.

Majority of the cricket pundits do not put imran ahead of kapil in odis. That's a fact.

[Muloghonto]

This is such a misconception. WI bowling wasn't the best when Gavaskar made his debut. How many 100s he has against an attack of Holding' date=' Marshal, Garner, Roberts where these 4 played together.[/quote'] Those 4 played together for less than a dozen tests.Gavaskar has more test tons against top quality fast bowling than any other opener.