Malcolm Merlyn Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Lol Egypt wil pay 6 billion us b 24 rafale jets. http://www.timesofisrael.com/france-egypt-first-foreign-buyer-of-french-rafale-fighters/. This is complete failure from modi government. egypt pays 6bn for 24 we pay 4bn for 36 how is it a loss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FischerTal Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Then why buy the 36 rafales ? Instead order 36 GE404s and make tejas. As the article correctly points out, this is setting a wrong example to foreign suppliers. Also I dont get why the french wont give us full ToT for rafales when they gave us pretty much everyting for the scorpene subs...those cost like 1.5 billion a piece... Sent from my GT-S5830D using Tapatalk 2 IAF is in desperate need to get new aircraft as soon as possible. it requires at least 39 squadrons to deal with both china and oak, but we are well short of the number. i believe this deal was hurried for that purpose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 People going by Ajai Shuklas word.:facepalm: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SELVAM Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 egypt pays 6bn for 24 we pay 4bn for 36 how is it a loss? Read post 49 in this thread. We r paying 12 billions for 36 jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 It seems the immediate priority of the govt was a band aid for the dwindling squadron numbers with a proper multirole. Hopefully the older Migs can be retired soon enough. The skeptic in me thinks that HAL & Co could maybe focus better on their existing pile of projects than add yet another to the pile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Read post 49 in this thread. We r paying 12 billions for 36 jets not we, but Brazil according to Post 49.. it includes technology transfer as well as maintenance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Terrible, terrible news, if true. http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=21863 Valid questions raised by this link.. how will Dassualt deliver twice the number of planes in half the timeframe? any idea why is this mentioned as an afterthought at the end of the article? Anil Ambani, who attended Modi's meeting with defence chief executives in Paris, reportedly held a long discussion with Dassault chief Eric Trappier. With the procurement of 36 Rafales not bound to HAL as the tender for 126 fighters was, how are new players positioning themselves to benefit from New Delhi's turnaround? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 People going by Ajai Shuklas word.:facepalm: that guy is retired colonel from Indian Army... expect him to know better than you or me on that issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SELVAM Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 According to wikipedia cost of rafale jet is higher than usa's F35 stealth fighter jet:facepalm:. :finger: to modi and co Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 According to wikipedia cost of rafale jet is higher than usa's F35 stealth fighter jet:facepalm:. :finger: to modi and co What US offered to us in the MRCA tender was F-18s/F-16's and not F35 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_MRCA_competition#Comparison_of_the_aircraft Just dont compare the unit cost only, compare Maximum payload/range/combat radius/maintenence costs too..both NDA/UPA went with Rafale for a certain reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Read post 49 in this thread. We r paying 12 billions for 36 jets No we are not.kuch bhi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 that guy is retired colonel from Indian Army... expect him to know better than you or me on that issue That guy has been after MMRCA from the day Rafale was selected.He supported another contender.These defence contracts have too many planted stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 According to wikipedia cost of rafale jet is higher than usa's F35 stealth fighter jet:facepalm:. :finger: to modi and co Did the Wiki tell you that F 35 hasnt even got operation clearance and still in development.Did it tell you what is the order backlog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Did the Wiki tell you that F 35 hasnt even got operation clearance and still in development.Did it tell you what is the order backlog? Plus no way is usa giving ToT on,the F35 engine, stealth or vstol... Sent from my GT-S5830D using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 What's the operational cost of a fifth gen fighter vs a 4++ ? How much hanger time for 1 hr of flight time ? One can't just throw random numbers around for comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 What's the operational cost of a fifth gen fighter vs a 4++ ? How much hanger time for 1 hr of flight time ? One can't just throw random numbers around for comparison. Not a single F 35 has got operational clearance.Leave everything else aside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SELVAM Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 f 35 General characteristics Crew: 1 Length: 50.5 ft[583] (15.67 m) Wingspan: 35 ft[N 4] (10.7 m) Height: 14.2 ft[N 5] (4.33 m) Wing area: 460 ft²[263] (42.7 m²) Empty weight: 29,098 lb[584] (13,199 kg) Loaded weight: 49,540 lb[246][N 6][585] (22,470 kg) Max. takeoff weight: 70,000 lb[N 7] (31,800 kg) Powerplant: 1 × Pratt & Whitney F135 afterburning turbofan Dry thrust: 28,000 lbf[586][N 8] (125 kN) Thrust with afterburner: 43,000 lbf[586][587] (191 kN) Internal fuel capacity: 18,498 lb (8,382 kg)[588][N 9] Performance Maximum speed: Mach 1.6+[267][589] (1,200 mph, 1,930 km/h) (tested to Mach 1.61)[395] Range: 1,200 nmi (2,220 km) on internal fuel Combat radius: 613 nmi[590] (1,135 km) on internal fuel Wing loading: 107.7 lb/ft² (526 kg/m²; 745 kg/m² max loaded) Thrust/weight: With full fuel: 0.87 With 50% fuel: 1.07 Maximum g-load: 9 g[N 10] Armament Guns: 1 × General Dynamics 25 mm (0.984 in) GAU-22/A 4-barrel Gatling gun, internally mounted with 180 rounds[N 11][267] Hardpoints: 6 × external pylons on wings with a capacity of 15,000 lb (6,800 kg)[263][267] and two internal bays with two pylons with a capacity of 3,000 (1,360 kg)[263] for a total weapons payload of 18,000 lb (8,100 kg)[247] and provisions to carry combinations of: Missiles: Air-to-air missiles: AIM-120 AMRAAM AIM-9X Sidewinder IRIS-T MBDA Meteor (pending further funding)[276] Air-to-surface missiles: AGM-88 AARGM[591] AGM-158 JASSM[264] Brimstone missile / MBDA SPEAR[592] Joint Air-to-Ground Missile (JAGM) Storm Shadow missile SOM Anti-ship missiles: Joint Strike Missile (JSM) Long Range Anti-Ship Missile (LRASM)[593] Bombs: Mark 84 or Mark 83 or Mark 82 GP bombs Mk.20 Rockeye II cluster bomb Wind Corrected Munitions Dispenser (WCMD) capable Paveway series laser-guided bombs Small Diameter Bomb (SDB) Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) series AGM-154 JSOW B61 mod 12 nuclear bomb[594] Unit cost F-35A: US$98M (low rate initial production, full production in 2018 to be $85M)[9][10] F-35B: US$104M (low rate initial production)[9][10] F-35C: US$116M (low rate initial production)[9 http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-35_Lightning_II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SELVAM Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 rafale General characteristics Crew: 1–2 Length: 15.27 m (50.1 ft) Wingspan: 10.80 m (35.4 ft) Height: 5.34 m (17.5 ft) Wing area: 45.7 m² (492 ft²) Empty weight: C: 9,500 kilograms (20,900 lb) B: 9,770 kilograms (21,540 lb) M: 10,196 kilograms (22,480 lb[217]) Loaded weight: 14,016 kg (30,900 lb) Max. takeoff weight: 24,500 kg (C/D), 22,200 kg (M) (54,000 lb) Powerplant: 2 × Snecma M88-2 turbofans Dry thrust: 50.04 kN (11,250 lbf) each Thrust with afterburner: 75.62 kN (17,000 lbf) each Fuel capacity: 4,700 kg (10,360 lb) internal Performance Maximum speed: High altitude: Mach 1.8 (1,912 km/h, 1,032 knots) Low altitude: Mach 1.1 (1,390 km/h, 750 knots) Range: 3,700+ km (2,000+ nmi) with 3 drop tanks Combat radius: 1,852+ km (1,000+ nmi) on penetration mission Service ceiling: 15,235 m (50,000 ft) Rate of climb: 304.8+ m/s (60,000+ ft/min) Wing loading: 306 kg/m² (62.8 lb/ft²) Thrust/weight: 0.988 (100% fuel, 2 EM A2A missile, 2 IR A2A missile) version M Maximum g-load: +9/–3.6 g[54][219] Armament Guns: 1× 30 mm (1.18 in) GIAT 30/M791 autocannon with 125 rounds Hardpoints: 14 for Air Force versions (Rafale B/C), 13 for Navy version (Rafale M) with a capacity of 9,500 kg (20,900 lb) external fuel and ordnance and provisions to carry combinations of: Missiles: MBDA MICA IR or EM or Magic II and MBDA Meteor air-to-air missiles in the future Air-to-ground: MBDA Apache or Storm Shadow-SCALP EG or AASM-Hammer or GBU-12 Paveway II or GBU-49 Enhanced Paveway II GBU-24 Paveway III AS-30L Air-to-surface: AM 39-Exocet CVS401-Perseus Deterrence: ASMP-A nuclear missile Unit cost Rafale B: €74 million, US$101 million (flyaway cost, FY2013)[3] Rafale C: €68.8 million, US$94 million (flyaway cost, FY2013)[3] Rafale M: €79 million, US$108 million (flyaway cost, 2011)[3] Unit cost: €64 million, US$90.5 million (dependent on type/variant and can be as high as €90 million/US$124 million, 2009) http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Rafale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panther Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Indian air force is no match for Paf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Indian air force is no match for Paf. True in 1965. Since 1971 to now, 20% of iaf will obliterate paf. Our pilots are way better trained, our equipment is way better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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