ravishingravi Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Probably the most chilling interview I have seen in many years Z__lyS-wI7c
CSK Fan Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 I was going to post this in the other thread. There is absolutely no denial yet Pak citizens chose not to believe it
Asim Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 I was going to post this in the other thread. There is absolutely no denial yet Pak citizens chose not to believe it Ditto is the case of indian citizens regarding Balochistan...
CSK Fan Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Ditto is the case of indian citizens regarding Balochistan... I explained in the other thread how surprising it is that Pakistanis think Indian government is a carbon copy of Pakistani when truth is the opposite. Why would India, a democracy, where army does not have much power, RAW is a covert spy agency without any power or ambitions indulge in such things, who will it benefit?. Here is my post below And I sometimes wonder at some Pak people when they try to equate both India and Pak as similar nations military and intelligence wise. They are not, they are completely different. In Pakistan both the army and the ISI are very visible institutes. They are the power behind everything. Their power comes from their visibility and the fear they strike in people. So it makes sense for them to create propaganda (kinda like North Korea does). This is also why they need to keep on provoking India and engaging in proxy war against a stronger nation. They need to keep the fear of India alive for them to continue to be stronger and richer. Accepting defeat is more harmful for them and they have to lie about it Contrast with India which is a democratic nation. Who benefits in India from propaganda? The army, nope, army is not that visible in India and does not need that power and visibility. RAW is completely different from ISI, most people in India don't even know of it's existence.RAW does not care for power or visibility either. So then who benefits in India from propaganda? The politicians? No election in India post 1975 has ever been influenced by war or propaganda against Pakistan. Pak name might be raised once or twice during campaigning but it has no influence on the election outcome Considering this, it is very clear that only one country benefits from propaganda and proxy wars and that is a country where democracy has been a joke. A country which is basically a military power. Only in such a country will fear mongering, propaganda and proxies war benefit those in power. I think it is extremely naive of some Pakistanis to believe just because their country, which is a military power, benefits for proxy wars etc, India is exactly the same when the truth is, proxy wars will harm a democratic country more and will not benefit anyone. Army doesn't want power. RAW is just a small spy agency without ambitions. Our politicians come to power for only 5 years. Who benefits? But Pakistan army and ISI definitely benefit from proxy wars as they are in power for very long time
panther Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 sigh another clean shaven general, The clean shaven politicians and generals destroying the nation.
Muloghonto Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Ditto is the case of indian citizens regarding Balochistan... Err, no. Our involvement on Baluchistan has been far more 'soft power' approach. We did not run training camps and send truckloads of weapons to the Balochi insurgents. We provide logistical support and intelligence-sharing agreements but your baloch rebels run their own operation.
FischerTal Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 so much hot air from this guy. claiming that isi knew obi was in pak :hysterical:
Muloghonto Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 sigh another clean shaven general' date=' The clean shaven politicians and generals destroying the nation.[/quote'] maybe your mullahs didn't tell you, but clean shaven and short haired people are better suited for frontline combat than big bushy bearded men. The world's most successful infantry ever, incase you didn't notice, the Romans- were also clean shaven. Less facial hair = less maintanance, less hair for the enemy to grab on to, less overheating issues with helmets and body armor. But then again, Pashtuns are not known for being good infantry, their history is that of highway brigands, riding horses with whoever is in power or hiding in the soleiman ranges.
Malcolm Merlyn Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Ditto is the case of indian citizens regarding Balochistan... May be Pakistan should give some evidence to UN and get any Indian involved banned.India did the same.
Malcolm Merlyn Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 I explained in the other thread how surprising it is that Pakistanis think Indian government is a carbon copy of Pakistani when truth is the opposite. Why would India, a democracy, where army does not have much power, RAW is a covert spy agency without any power or ambitions indulge in such things, who will it benefit?. Here is my post below And I sometimes wonder at some Pak people when they try to equate both India and Pak as similar nations military and intelligence wise. They are not, they are completely different. In Pakistan both the army and the ISI are very visible institutes. They are the power behind everything. Their power comes from their visibility and the fear they strike in people. So it makes sense for them to create propaganda (kinda like North Korea does). This is also why they need to keep on provoking India and engaging in proxy war against a stronger nation. They need to keep the fear of India alive for them to continue to be stronger and richer. Accepting defeat is more harmful for them and they have to lie about it Contrast with India which is a democratic nation. Who benefits in India from propaganda? The army, nope, army is not that visible in India and does not need that power and visibility. RAW is completely different from ISI, most people in India don't even know of it's existence.RAW does not care for power or visibility either. So then who benefits in India from propaganda? The politicians? No election in India post 1975 has ever been influenced by war or propaganda against Pakistan. Pak name might be raised once or twice during campaigning but it has no influence on the election outcome Considering this, it is very clear that only one country benefits from propaganda and proxy wars and that is a country where democracy has been a joke. A country which is basically a military power. Only in such a country will fear mongering, propaganda and proxies war benefit those in power. I think it is extremely naive of some Pakistanis to believe just because their country, which is a military power, benefits for proxy wars etc, India is exactly the same when the truth is, proxy wars will harm a democratic country more and will not benefit anyone. Army doesn't want power. RAW is just a small spy agency without ambitions. Our politicians come to power for only 5 years. Who benefits? But Pakistan army and ISI definitely benefit from proxy wars as they are in power for very long time Its called deflecting tactics which no one believes in the world.
Shivaji bhonsle Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Ditto is the case of indian citizens regarding Balochistan... Absolutely. Baluchistan is a great trump card for India if they want to deal with a country like Pakistan. I would hope India has a strong hand in Baluchistan.
Shivaji bhonsle Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Err, no. Our involvement on Baluchistan has been far more 'soft power' approach. We did not run training camps and send truckloads of weapons to the Balochi insurgents. We provide logistical support and intelligence-sharing agreements but your baloch rebels run their own operation. I don't know why we have to be defensive when it comes to Baluchistan. We can absolutely keep Pakistan on its knees if they needle inside Kashmir. Its a fantastic trump card and we shouldn't let it go. Like Ajit doval said, you do one more Mumbai and you will lose Baluchistan. Hit em where it hurts the most.
panther Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 maybe your mullahs didn't tell you, but clean shaven and short haired people are better suited for frontline combat than big bushy bearded men. The world's most successful infantry ever, incase you didn't notice, the Romans- were also clean shaven. Less facial hair = less maintanance, less hair for the enemy to grab on to, less overheating issues with helmets and body armor. But then again, Pashtuns are not known for being good infantry, their history is that of highway brigands, riding horses with whoever is in power or hiding in the soleiman ranges. :giggle: leave us out of this get over your obsession, pashtuns are not good soldiers because we can't/won't take orders that much is a historical fact, not because of beards.
ravishingravi Posted April 12, 2015 Author Posted April 12, 2015 Ditto is the case of indian citizens regarding Balochistan... I have not seen one evidence. One admission. In that conspiracy laden country,I don't know where you get your news from.
Kalia_Test Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 I have not seen one evidence. One admission. In that conspiracy laden country' date='I don't know where you get your news from.[/quote'] Must be from their India obsessed media catering to India obsessed citizens :cantstop:
Gollum Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Sums up what is wrong with his country. We all knew about this but good to see it coming from the horse's mouth.
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