bulbul Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 I thought that was standard fare here at ICF. Snide remarks against any religion under the garb of humour. :dontknow: Corrected..no need to take moral high ground.
Mariyam Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 72 virigins are not mentioned. :facepalm: Like i said people misinterpret stuff. In classical Middle Eastern taxonomy, the number 72 is metaphorically used for infinity. And the phrase 72 virgins is metaphorically used for bountiful treasures. Or so I heard a moulvi say many years ago in a Q&A session.
Mariyam Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 Question: before any of the abrahamic religions came into the picture' date='who decided who went to heaven or hell?[/quote'] Difficult to say. Judaism has been around since forever. Maybe since 5000 BC. And prior to that weren't 'humans' all scavenging away in a Neanderthal hell hole anyways??
Guldozer Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 I thought that was standard fare here at ICF. Snide remarks against a particular religion under the garb of humour. :dontknow: You were the one who told me that you've never been discriminated? I guess people are too scared to say something in person and somehow get 10 times braver when they are behind a computer screen.
bulbul Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 You were the one who told me that you've never been discriminated? I guess people are too scared to say something in person and somehow get 10 times braver when they are behind a computer screen. Like you?.
Mariyam Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 You were the one who told me that you've never been discriminated? I guess people are too scared to say something in person and somehow get 10 times braver when they are behind a computer screen. I absolutely stand by that statement. ICF isn't India!!!! This too isn't discrimination, just repetitive and poor attempt at derisive humour.
mishra Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 thre is no mention of 72 Virgins in Quran. but yes, if you wish or even think about dark skin or fair or blond, you will get it. and you will get all of them as much as you like. Stop misrepresenting Islam The Holy Prophet (s.a.w.s.) said: One who interprets the Quran according to personal opinion[77] he makes his place in fire (Hell). One who interprets the Quran according to his view,[78] even though it may be right, yet he has committed a sin.[79] Only Hadith are the ones who are supposed to have interpretations and they promise 72 hoors
div Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 Nowadays Quran is available in many languages,there is no need to lie.
div Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 Admit it you just wanted to say that Quran is not God's word and needed an excuse for it. :hysterical: Obviously these so called holy books are not God's words.:--D
mishra Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 Nowadays Quran is available in many languages' date='there is no need to lie.[/quote'] You see, story goes that Prophet PBUH was asked, "who are the best people to interpret Quran?". Prophet PBUH said him and those around him. So Hadiths were written by those around him. Now some KBWarrior, Panther ,Invasion or Yam can only sound knowledgeable Muslim, but at the end their misinterpretation will take them to fire.:--D
Invasion 550 Posted May 21, 2015 Author Posted May 21, 2015 I thought that was standard fare here at ICF. Snide remarks against a particular religion under the garb of humour. :dontknow: :cantstop::giggle: In classical Middle Eastern taxonomy' date=' the number 72 is metaphorically used for infinity. And the phrase 72 virgins is metaphorically used for bountiful treasures. Or so I heard a moulvi say many years ago in a Q&A session.[/quote'] I am impressed by your knowledge. Please contribute more to icf. Need more posters like you to balance out the clowns. :hatsoff:
Invasion 550 Posted May 21, 2015 Author Posted May 21, 2015 You see' date=' story goes that Prophet PBUH was asked, "who are the best people to interpret Quran?". Prophet PBUH said him and those around him. So Hadiths were written by those around him. Now some KBWarrior, Panther ,Invasion or Yam can only sound knowledgeable Muslim, but at the end their misinterpretation will take them to fire.:--D[/quote'] Mishra jee why dont you quote the Quranic verse that mentions 72 hoors? Also, i think you have no idea that there are several types of hadith. 1) Hassan 2) Sahih 3) Daeef Hassan and Sahih are authentic Ahadith with Sahih being the one with full verification. Daeef is that sort of hadith which either had issue with its matn (content) or/and the chain of narrators ( loopholes in the chain of transmission). Long Form (if you actually want to learn rather than being ignorant): In the second century of Hijrah the Muhaddithun (collecters of Hadith) paid complete attention to compile the Hadiths. This was so because some hypocrites and non-Muslims wanted to fabricate the Hadiths. Imam Bukhari and other scholars took this seriously and introduced some principles to ensure the authenticity of the Hadith. A Hadith is divided into 2 parts the first part is the Isnad (chain of narrators) and the second is the Matn (content). For e.g. A hadith narrated by Imam Bukhari is as follows “It is reported to us by Ubaidullah saying he heard Hanzalah who came to know from Ikramah saying he heard Ibn-e-Umar who narrates form the Prophet SAW “Islam has been based upon five pillars bearing the wines that Allah is One and Muhammad is His messenger, establishing the regular prayer, paying de regular charity, fasting in the month of Ramadan and the annual pilgrimage.†The first part which mentions the chain of transmitters is the Sanad and the second part which the body or text is the matn. The Muhaddithun assessed both parts of the Hadith in a highly meticulous way. For the Sanad, the chain of narrators were carefully studied and observed. Through the art of Asma-Ur-Rijal (Names of Men) their biographies were collected and investigated in detail. Each transmitter had to be in possession of firm faith, sound mind, an excellent memory and an upright character. So much so, if the transmitter had ever cheated anyone or even lied to anyone in the matter of joke the Hadith was rejected. The compilers also ensured that the transmitter was present from the time he collected or heard the Hadith till the time he transmitted it. In addition the first transmitter had to be the companion of the Holy Prophet (SAW), for this the Muhaddithun compared the the place and birth of the transmitter, the places and the people he met. Lastly, the chain of transmitters had to be totally and perfectly uninterrupted. Similarly, the matn was checked thoroughly. They ensured it was in accordance with the teachings of the Quran and Sunnah and was not conflicting with any of those two. For e.g. The Hadith will not be accepted if it says to offer 6 daily prayers. Moreover, it should also not contradict with human reason and logic. Example fasting the whole month is outside human capability. Matn also shouldn’t praise or condemn any person or tribe from the future or history by calling its name. Finally, matn should not contain details in a precise way about any future event. The six tradition books are the most authentic and reliable books of all the books on the traditions. They are called Sihah sitta. The books among Sihah sitta are Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Sunan Abu Daud, Jam’e Tirmidhi, Sunan Nasai and Sunan Ibn-e-Majah.
Invasion 550 Posted May 21, 2015 Author Posted May 21, 2015 Obviously these so called holy books are not God's words.:--D Div please pay attention to the post i qutoed mishra jee in. Learn something while you are at it.
panther Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 You see' date=' story goes that Prophet PBUH was asked, "who are the best people to interpret Quran?". Prophet PBUH said him and those around him. So Hadiths were written by those around him. Now some KBWarrior, Panther ,Invasion or Yam can only sound knowledgeable Muslim, but at the end their misinterpretation will take them to fire.:--D[/quote'] You shouldn't post about things you know nothing about. The 72 virgins hadith is graded as gharib by imam thirmidi one of the great hadith scholars. Gharib means strange so it is not something which is set in stone.
KeyboardWarrior Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 What the hell? Where does Quran mentions big breasts and fair skinned virigins. Can you please quote the relevant verse? :omg: Bro, plz read again carefully what i wrote. Hmm. There are basically two types of people in the world. Muslims and confused Muslims. Confused Muslims include varied groups like Hindus, Buddhists, Shintoists (if thats a word), Jews, Sikhs etc Isaai's are also Muslims. Confused Muslims, but Muslim none the less. Everyone is a Muslim. :proud: # world unity Cheeno Arab hamara, Hindustan hamara Muslim hain hum, watan saara jahan hamara :D +1 :--D Stop misrepresenting Islam Only Hadith are the ones who are supposed to have interpretations and they promise 72 hoors Nowadays Quran is available in many languages' date='there is no need to lie.[/quote'] "Indeed it talks about fair skin, Big breasts and Big Eyes, in Interpretation. but as a whole. you can have whatever you wish or even think .... means if you Imagine a dark skin Virgin In Heaven , do u think you wont get it in Heaven becoz they are dark skin ? You will. Becoz you are in Heaven. if not thn what the purpose of Heaven if you dont get what you wish or think? and about Racisim. thre are many Muslims whos are African, and who do good deeds and pray. so do u think they wont get in Heaven becoz they are Black ? So its mean Quran is just giving you Signs about Heaven. to know the details only about Heaven you need to read the other books of known Islamic scholars (not the sites who pretend to be Islamic and giving you wrong Interpretation)" . Heres the verse translation/Interpretation : Chapter 78, verse 33 of the Quran says that the houris would be large-breasted. This adjectivation, however, has not been translated into all non-Arabic versions of the Quran. "Ibn Kathir, in his tafsir, writes that the adjective contained in said verse "means 'round breasts'." He goes on as to state that it is "meant by this that the breasts of these girls will be fully rounded and not sagging, because they will be virgins, equal in age." "Abdullah Yusuf Ali, on the other hand, translates said adjective into English simply as "voluptuous"which refers to sensual (or physical) attributes, though not necessarily breasts" 78:33, Sahih International; "And full-breasted [companions] of equal age" The houri; "A houri is a most beautiful young woman with a transparent body. The marrow of her bones is visible like the interior lines of pearls and rubies. She looks like red wine in a white glass. She is of white color, and free from the routine physical disabilities of an ordinary woman such as menstruation, menopause, urinal and offal discharge, child bearing and the related pollution. A houri is a girl of tender age, having large breasts which are round (pointed), and not inclined to dangle. Houris dwell in palaces of splendid surroundings. —Al-Tirmidhi, Jami` at-Tirmidhi" Now you can read some verses of the Holy Quran mentioning the attributes of Houris (Hoor al-ayn/Hurs): “And with them will be chaste females, restraining their glances (desiring none except their husbands), with wide and beautiful eyes; (Delicate and pure) as if they were (hidden) eggs (well) preserved.” [sura As-Sâffât (37):40-48] “And beside them will be chaste females (virgins) restraining their glances only for their husbands, (and) of equal ages.” [sura Sâd (38):52] “So (it will be), and We shall marry them to Houris (female fair ones) with wide, lovely eyes.” [sura Ad-Dukhân (44):51-55] “They will recline (with ease) on thrones arranged in ranks. And We shall marry them to Houris (female, fair ones) with wide lovely eyes.” [sura At-Tûr (52):20] “Wherein both (gardens) will be those (maidens) restraining their glances upon their husbands, whom no man or jinn yatmithhunna (has opened their hymens with sexual intercourse) before them. Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinns and men) deny? (In beauty) they are like rubies and coral.” [sura Ar-Rahmân (55):56-58] “Therein (gardens) will be fair (wives) good and beautiful; …Houris (beautiful, fair females) restrained in pavilions; …Whom no man or jinn yatmithhunna (has opened their hymens with sexual intercourse) before them.” [sura Ar-Rahmân (55):70,72,74] “And (there will be) Houris (fair females) with wide, lovely eyes (as wives for the pious), Like unto preserved pearls.” [sura Al-Wâqi’ah (56):22-23] Verily, We have created them (maidens) of special creation. And made them virgins; Loving (their husbands only), equal in age. [sura Al-Wâqi’ah (56):37-40] And young full-breasted (mature) maidens of equal age; [sura An-Naba’ (78):33] Chapter (78) sūrat l-naba (The Great News) "Sahih International: And full-breasted [companions] of equal age Pickthall: And voluptuous women of equal age; Yusuf Ali: And voluptuous women of equal age; Shakir: And voluptuous women of equal age; Muhammad Sarwar: maidens with pears-shaped breasts who are of equal age (to their spouses) Mohsin Khan: And young full-breasted (mature) maidens of equal age; Arberry: and maidens with swelling breasts, like of age," and, "Surat An-Naba' 78:33 وَكَوَاعِبَ أَتْرَاباً Sahih International And full-breasted [companions] of equal age Muhsin Khan And young full-breasted (mature) maidens of equal age; Pickthall And voluptuous women of equal age; Yusuf Ali And voluptuous women of equal age; Shakir And voluptuous women of equal age; Dr. Ghali And youthful virgins, like of age," http://quran.com/78/33-40 and Allah knows best.
Yoda-esque Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 Difficult to say. Judaism has been around since forever. Maybe since 5000 BC. And prior to that weren't 'humans' all scavenging away in a Neanderthal hell hole anyways?? Hmm, before Judaism, there were the Sumerian,Chinese ,Egyptian and Indus civilizations. Are you implying that the people from these civilizations lived in hellholes? These people did not practice Abrahamic religions.How do they get judged?
panther Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 Hmm, before Judaism, there were the Sumerian,Chinese ,Egyptian and Indus civilizations. Are you implying that the people from these civilizations lived in hellholes? These people did not practice Abrahamic religions.How do they get judged? In our religion we are told that 124,000 messengers were sent to earth Adam being the first.
Yoda-esque Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 In our religion we are told that 124' date='000 messengers were sent to earth Adam being the first.[/quote'] Thanks. So I am assuming that these 124,000 people came before the actual religion. Three more questions: 1) Humans evolved roughly 70,000 years ago.Are you saying that there were only 124,000 people that were born in these 70,000 years before Abrahamic religions came to the picture? 2) if these 124000 people were sent before, and one of them commited a crime ,how would they be judged? 3) can you please give me the approx date of Adam?
Cricket_Hacker Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 Why is a random chick converting to Islam such a hot topic :giggle:
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