Will India ever get a pacer like Johnson?

[Lannister]

To put it in Shane Warne's words, our bowlers are too soft.

[bihutoli]

We mostly don't have the built for good fast bowlers. Either too heavy and slow on movement like VRV Singh, Zaheer or Pankaj Singh, or weak trundlers like hundreds of the rest. Fast bowling is probably the part of cricket that demands the most athleticism, and no wonder it is our weak area.

[India-KXIP fan]

WE've Varun Aaron but look how badly he has been mismanaged and mishandled along with a non-supporting captain to boot.

This! Work in progress with talent. Bit deserving to concede so many in Aus, but also bit unlucky with catches.

[gakgupta]

under dhoni its not possible.... But i am really hopeful that good pacers will see light under kohli's captaincy...

[Pagalpanti]

Varun has the potential and also Kohli loves to lead an attack that is fast. Exciting times ahead tbh. Only hope Varun stays fit.

[Scarves]

Indian coaching would screw up Indian quicks just to be accurate and by the book.

[mishra]

We will continue to produce Prasad, Our Srinaths will be sitting on sidelines and occasioally bring drinks to batters

[Marut]

We mostly don't have the built for good fast bowlers. Either too heavy and slow on movement like VRV Singh' date=' Zaheer or Pankaj Singh, or weak trundlers like hundreds of the rest. Fast bowling is probably the part of cricket that demands the most athleticism, and no wonder it is our weak area.[/quote'] Big build is not necessary to be a pacer. The most crucial body part for a pacer is the trunk/core strength. To gain pace, the bowler has to bowl, bowl and bowl - the very act of bowling will develop the body to bowl faster. But many pacers try to spend a lot of time in the gym, trying to build their bodies - that won't help them bowl faster beyond a point.

[rkt.india]

Big build is not necessary to be a pacer. The most crucial body part for a pacer is the trunk/core strength. To gain pace' date=' the bowler has to bowl, bowl and bowl - the very act of bowling will develop the body to bowl faster. But many pacers try to spend a lot of time in the gym, trying to build their bodies - that won't help them bowl faster beyond a point.[/quote'] Bowling alone won't increase pace. A BK won't become Steyn no matter how much he bowls. Gym is not for developing body but to grow fast twitch fibers. I don't think people in India really know how to do it.

[rkt.india]

http://www.pitchvision.com/fitness-for-fast-bowlers-structure-of-a-gym-session

[Marut]

Bowling alone won't increase pace. A BK won't become Steyn no matter how much he bowls. Gym is not for developing body but to grow fast twitch fibers. I don't think people in India really know how to do it.

Of course, strength training is part and parcel of sports. But I have seen many fast bowlers say that bowling itself is the best and direct way to improve your bowling, including speed. Imran used to emphasize running and bowling dozens of overs in the nets everyday, in addition to lots of running. Waqar Younis (who was a big man) once said that his regimen required to do so much of bowling and running every day that it was pretty much impossible to spend a lot of time in the gym. There is a balance between gym work and bowling itself, and if a bowler compromises on bowling (to spend more time in the gym) then he won't become a great bowler. http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/586683.html Learning in the nets is a vital part of development for every fast bowler. What was your training regimen like? I broke down a couple of times in my career. Every bowler breaks down at least once, but I broke down after doing really well on the field. People rely on the gym more now than during our times. I am not saying that is wrong. It has done wonders in terms of strength, conditioning and looks. But do bowlers have enough gas in their tanks, especially in the subcontinent, to keep going? I fear people will continue to break down. So the point I am driving is: focus on the basics. Bowling and running were major parts of my training. I did very little gym because nobody was there to tell me that it could have helped with my strength. I guess that helped me in a way, because my body would not have coped with going to the gym and then bowling. The kind of action I had, which was very side-on, I needed to be flexible and have an elastic body. We were jogging, running, sprinting freaks. When Imran was there, we would run five laps before we did anything. Being in the gym - it was all about looking good. From Wasim - http://thecricketcouch.com/couch-talk/transcript-couch-talk-49-with-wasim-akram/ SJ– You mentioned about playing a fair bit of county cricket. The up and coming bowlers, they don’t seem to be doing the amount of bowling that they need to do to understand their body, skills, and the ability to adapt to conditions. On top of this, you mentioned the IPL, which runs for 7 weeks, but the bowlers get to bowl only 60-70 overs. Doesn’t this run counter to the philosophy of fast-bowler development? WA– Nowadays, all these foreign coaches… It was fairly simple in my times, less than 9 years ago. It was very simple. What I’ve learnt from Imran, and Javed Miandad ofcourse- the idea as a fast bowler is that the fast bowling muscles will only work when you bowl in nets. The gym training is good for individual muscles, maybe to look good, I suppose, it’s part and parcel of the game [laughs]. I’m fine with that. But again, if you look good and you are not bowling well, there is no point in being a fast bowler, or being a bowler at all. He has to get wickets for your country, your county, your club.

[special K]

Probably not, but look at it this way. Will Australia ever produce a spinner as good as Kumble?

[HippoSucks]

Probably not' date=' but look at it this way. Will Australia ever produce a spinner as good as Kumble?[/quote'] They did a couple of years back.

[rkt.india]

Of course, strength training is part and parcel of sports. But I have seen many fast bowlers say that bowling itself is the best and direct way to improve your bowling, including speed. Imran used to emphasize running and bowling dozens of overs in the nets everyday, in addition to lots of running. Waqar Younis (who was a big man) once said that his regimen required to do so much of bowling and running every day that it was pretty much impossible to spend a lot of time in the gym. There is a balance between gym work and bowling itself, and if a bowler compromises on bowling (to spend more time in the gym) then he won't become a great bowler. http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/586683.html Learning in the nets is a vital part of development for every fast bowler. What was your training regimen like? I broke down a couple of times in my career. Every bowler breaks down at least once, but I broke down after doing really well on the field. People rely on the gym more now than during our times. I am not saying that is wrong. It has done wonders in terms of strength, conditioning and looks. But do bowlers have enough gas in their tanks, especially in the subcontinent, to keep going? I fear people will continue to break down. So the point I am driving is: focus on the basics. Bowling and running were major parts of my training. I did very little gym because nobody was there to tell me that it could have helped with my strength. I guess that helped me in a way, because my body would not have coped with going to the gym and then bowling. The kind of action I had, which was very side-on, I needed to be flexible and have an elastic body. We were jogging, running, sprinting freaks. When Imran was there, we would run five laps before we did anything. Being in the gym - it was all about looking good. From Wasim - http://thecricketcouch.com/couch-talk/transcript-couch-talk-49-with-wasim-akram/ SJ You mentioned about playing a fair bit of county cricket. The up and coming bowlers, they dont seem to be doing the amount of bowling that they need to do to understand their body, skills, and the ability to adapt to conditions. On top of this, you mentioned the IPL, which runs for 7 weeks, but the bowlers get to bowl only 60-70 overs. Doesnt this run counter to the philosophy of fast-bowler development? WA Nowadays, all these foreign coaches It was fairly simple in my times, less than 9 years ago. It was very simple. What Ive learnt from Imran, and Javed Miandad ofcourse- the idea as a fast bowler is that the fast bowling muscles will only work when you bowl in nets. The gym training is good for individual muscles, maybe to look good, I suppose, its part and parcel of the game [laughs]. Im fine with that. But again, if you look good and you are not bowling well, there is no point in being a fast bowler, or being a bowler at all. He has to get wickets for your country, your county, your club.

Obviously net practice cannot be replaced but I don't think you really understood what I wanted to say. Wasim and Waqar were quick bowlers from the start. I am talking about bowlers who aren't quick but want to bowl quick then they have to work on improving their fast twitches through a specific program.

[amiret]

Probably not' date=' but look at it this way. Will Australia ever produce a spinner as good as Kumble?[/quote'] Yes , Australia never had a spinner as good as Kumble.

[Scarves]

Probably not' date=' but look at it this way. Will Australia ever produce a spinner as good as Kumble?[/quote']

[hhhhdmt]

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::haha:

[Old guy]

what makes it more funny is that poster you replied is english and warne literally dominated them in every series :hysterical:

[cricketpitch]

Watching Johnson rip the pommies. Mm.. Will we ever get a pacer like Johnson or are we stuck with Dhokla guys like Unadkat' date=' Nehra and Dhawal Kulkarni.[/quote'] unadkat and Nehra haven't played for India for sometime now. We have Umesh and Aaron who are genuinely quick albeit brainless. We will never have such a bowler. You would only bowl like that if you want to work hard and improve. Our bowlers are incapable of doing that. You might have bowlers bowling at 160 but if you don't bowl with a plan, you are going to be thrashed around as India found out in Australia.

[Desi Cartman]

unadkat and Nehra haven't played for India for sometime now. We have Umesh and Aaron who are genuinely quick albeit brainless. We will never have such a bowler. You would only bowl like that if you want to work hard and improve. Our bowlers are incapable of doing that. You might have bowlers bowling at 160 but if you don't bowl with a plan' date= you are going to be thrashed around as India found out in Australia.

Umesh or even Aaron might mature just like Johnson did so there so lets be hopeful and realistic at the same time :P