BCCI warns PCB of calling off ties after terror attack

[Ironhide]

The last terrorist attack in NZ was made by the French Government in the 80s. So you're right, I don't know what it's like. I certainly don't blame French citizens for that, even though it was proven that the French prime minister directly ordered the attack. The terrorism problem exists brings just as much hardship for Pakistanis as it does for Indians. Do you think they were over the moon with joy when the Taliban killed those school kids? There has been failure on behalf of the Pakistan government, for sure. I'm not sure whether I'd blame Pakistani citizens for that. Moreover, the bigger failures occurred in the 90s when the Taliban was set up, and the years of cold war in Afghanistan and the region's previous history. There's simply no point in putting that responsibility on the hands of ordinary Pakistanis.

You are simply looking at this from your New Zealand perspective on a moral high horse, of course you won't blame a country like France if there was just a single attack back in 80s but if you kept getting attacked every few years then your outlook on this topic will be very different. You don't understand that Pakistan has the official state policy of hurting India with terrorists, the official quote used by them is : " Bleed India through thousand cuts" using terrorists and then denying them and later if proven, claim that they were non-state actors. The terrorists in Pakistan are considered to be of two types: Good terrorist and Bad terrorists, the ones which attack pakistan is considered bad by them and the ones which attack India are considered as heroes which hold rallies in major cities and get praise amongst the public. Ordinary people of Pakistan have has much role as the Govt. as they elect their leaders and also the people support the Good terrorists as they don't harm them. You don't even know the situation here and are just looking at from your western view point about Taliban and Afghan etc as that matters to you guys, It is Hafiz saeed, Dawood Ibrahim, LeT, JuD etc which attack India and you would have never heard these names in your New Zealand, even their Govt. security agency ISI is involved in these missions by providing them training and ammunitions and border passage.

[Shivaji bhonsle]

Sometimes its better to open your eyes. LeT was just initial suspect, as such organizations have been after every such incident. On further investigations, the culprits found out to be Indian parties, but then it becomes rubbish isn't it? Hafiz Saeed runs a welfare organization as well which has thousands of workers and works indiscriminately for Hindus and Christians as well. If he isn't being proved guilty, no point stopping him to run that organization or stopping him from holding rallies. Just need to put off your tinted glasses and you will find no difference in both cases.

Welfare organization which calls for jihad on India? Awesome...!!!. UN banning the organization has no meaning, US having a 5 million dollars bounty has has no meaning? I give up. Continue the same way. Snakes you breed inside your house will bite you as well. Don't forget that. You and your delusions. You people make me puke. Yuck...!!!

[keith]

You are simply looking at this from your New Zealand perspective on a moral high horse, of course you won't blame a country like France if there was just a single attack back in 80s but if you kept getting attacked every few years then your outlook on this topic will be very different. You don't understand that Pakistan has the official state policy of hurting India with terrorists, the official quote used by them is : " Bleed India through thousand cuts" using terrorists and then denying them and later if proven, claim that they were non-state actors. The terrorists in Pakistan are considered to be of two types: Good terrorist and Bad terrorists, the ones which attack pakistan is considered bad by them and the ones which attack India are considered as heroes which hold rallies in major cities and get praise amongst the public. Ordinary people of Pakistan have has much role as the Govt. as they elect their leaders and also the people support the Good terrorists as they don't harm them. You don't even know the situation here and are just looking at from your western view point about Taliban and Afghan etc as that matters to you guys, It is Hafiz saeed, Dawood Ibrahim, LeT, JuD etc which attack India and you would have never heard these names in your New Zealand, even their Govt. security agency ISI is involved in these missions by providing them training and ammunitions and border passage.

Nothing to do with a moral high ground. It's the difference between holding a corrupt government accountable and its people accountable. I blame the French government for the attack, not the people in France. Do I blame Indians for the corruption in the BCCI that has spread to the ICC? No. I blame the people responsible.

[Ironhide]

Nothing to do with a moral high ground. It's the difference between holding a corrupt government accountable and its people accountable. I blame the French government for the attack, not the people in France. Do I blame Indians for the corruption in the BCCI that has spread to the ICC? No. I blame the people responsible.

You are simply looking at this from your New Zealand perspective on a moral high horse, of course you won't blame a country like France if there was just a single attack back in 80s but if you kept getting attacked every few years then your outlook on this topic will be very different. You don't understand that Pakistan has the official state policy of hurting India with terrorists, the official quote used by them is : " Bleed India through thousand cuts" using terrorists and then denying them and later if proven, claim that they were non-state actors. The terrorists in Pakistan are considered to be of two types: Good terrorist and Bad terrorists, the ones which attack pakistan is considered bad by them and the ones which attack India are considered as heroes which hold rallies in major cities and get praise amongst the public. Ordinary people of Pakistan have has much role as the Govt. as they elect their leaders and also the people support the Good terrorists as they don't harm them. You don't even know the situation here and are just looking at from your western view point about Taliban and Afghan etc as that matters to you guys, It is Hafiz saeed, Dawood Ibrahim, LeT, JuD etc which attack India and you would have never heard these names in your New Zealand, even their Govt. security agency ISI is involved in these missions by providing them training and ammunitions and border passage.

Read my above post again and understand the situation here instead of going on a tangent like BCCI= corruption. It is understandable that a western individual like you won't know the situation here but it is baffling to see your ignorance even after writing lengthy posts and trying to make you understand regarding the prevailing situation here. And if you are still hell bent on being obtuse then fine, we will hold Pakistan Government responsible and the Pakistan Government runs the PCB, so we will not play cricket tours with them or enrich them by touring which would be further used in Terrorist attacks against us. That should settle the debate for even a pedant like you.

[putrevus]

Majority of humanity is good, and Pakistanis are no exception. But Pakistan has that overall environment that facilitates extremism. This is where I would blame Pakistan the nation (including the good people). If Pakistan needs out of this mess, there needs to be a cultural cleansing which can only be done if Pakistani people take an initiative. Sadly, their immediate concern seems to be dodging the blame and playing a victim of some international conspiracy. That's not going to help.

If cleanising is that easy as you say, Indians should be cleansing themselves to get rid of these rapists and corrupt politicians.

[keith]

Read my above post again and understand the situation here instead of going on a tangent like BCCI= corruption. It is understandable that a western individual like you won't know the situation here but it is baffling to see your ignorance even after writing lengthy posts and trying to make you understand regarding the prevailing situation here. And if you are still hell bent on being obtuse then fine, we will hold Pakistan Government responsible and the Pakistan Government runs the PCB, so we will not play cricket tours with them or enrich them by touring which would be further used in Terrorist attacks against us. That should settle the debate for even a pedant like you.

My analogy was to illustrate a very simple concept: I blame the people responsible for wrongdoings. Not everyone else. I have no problem with you holding the Pakistan Government responsible. They're a terrible government who've frequently indirectly or directly funded terrorist groups and who pretty much exist to make their already wealthy politicians even wealthier. I have no problem with you not playing cricket against Pakistan either. The only thing I objected to was this comment: "This is where I would blame Pakistan the nation (including the good people)" But you're welcome to continue calling me an ignorant Westerner for my point of view.

[Ironhide]

My analogy was to illustrate a very simple concept: I blame the people responsible for wrongdoings. Not everyone else. I have no problem with you holding the Pakistan Government responsible. They're a terrible government who've frequently indirectly or directly funded terrorist groups and who pretty much exist to make their already wealthy politicians even wealthier. I have no problem with you not playing cricket against Pakistan either. The only thing I objected to was this comment: "This is where I would blame Pakistan the nation (including the good people)" But you're welcome to continue calling me an ignorant Westerner for my point of view.

You do come across as an ignorant westerner with a predetermined notion and the way things work in this part of the world, even after repeatedly trying to make you understand the situation here, you never acknowledged or observed new view points and stuck with your ignorant views which you are entitled to but please don't lecture us on how we should react or to whom we should blame when our country is attacked repeatedly by State sponsored terrorists.

[mishra]

My analogy was to illustrate a very simple concept: I blame the people responsible for wrongdoings. Not everyone else. I have no problem with you holding the Pakistan Government responsible. They're a terrible government who've frequently indirectly or directly funded terrorist groups and who pretty much exist to make their already wealthy politicians even wealthier. I have no problem with you not playing cricket against Pakistan either. The only thing I objected to was this comment: "This is where I would blame Pakistan the nation (including the good people)" But you're welcome to continue calling me an ignorant Westerner for my point of view.

It all sounds good when u have a neighbor like Australia that too separated by sea. Try moving next to Pakistan and China for couple of years before lecturing. French and Kiwis have never killed each others people in masses on grounds of religion,region, hatred and nations. Open the border between India and Pakistan and you expect the same sort of communal rioting again. So how can you know the feeling?

[mishra]

Nothing to do with a moral high ground. It's the difference between holding a corrupt government accountable and its people accountable. I blame the French government for the attack, not the people in France. Do I blame Indians for the corruption in the BCCI that has spread to the ICC? No. I blame the people responsible.

Here, a Pakistani soldier (who faught in cover of terrorist) is describing in details as how he mutilated Indian soldier after the capture among the presence of some very respected dignitories. I dont expect you to undertsand what he is saying. But just try noticing the entertainment value this is giving to so many people. Now assume you understood the language. Next you assume you were a Indian.

[Unicorn]

My analogy was to illustrate a very simple concept: I blame the people responsible for wrongdoings. Not everyone else. I have no problem with you holding the Pakistan Government responsible. They're a terrible government who've frequently indirectly or directly funded terrorist groups and who pretty much exist to make their already wealthy politicians even wealthier. I have no problem with you not playing cricket against Pakistan either. The only thing I objected to was this comment: "This is where I would blame Pakistan the nation (including the good people)" But you're welcome to continue calling me an ignorant Westerner for my point of view.

And they think they themselves are angels https://www.flickr.com/photos/junaidrao/10814239515 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-south-asia-13043478 Atleast Pakistan treat Indian prisoners much better than India do with Pakistani ones according to BBC.

[Lannister]

All India is asking is Pak to take responsibility and do something against terrorism, until then you can kiss goodbye to playing cricket.

[Unicorn]

Welfare organization which calls for jihad on India? Awesome...!!!. UN banning the organization has no meaning, US having a 5 million dollars bounty has has no meaning? I give up. Continue the same way. Snakes you breed inside your house will bite you as well. Don't forget that. You and your delusions. You people make me puke. Yuck...!!!

Yeah sure, run away. US and UN haven't researched anything on their own. Their claims are based in Indian rubbish. And FYI when UN banned his organization, Pakistan too banned that too. Then hold a trial in which India didn't cooperate. Thats how serious your govt. is regarding punishing Mumbai attacks masterminds. There is no reason to keep him banned when no enough proof is against him. He may be behind Mumbai attacks just like RSS is behind Samjhauta express, but none of the govt. have provided enough evidence to prove them guilty. Don't cry when such incident happen if you can't cooperate.

[mishra]

And they think they themselves are angels https://www.flickr.com/photos/junaidrao/10814239515 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-south-asia-13043478 Atleast Pakistan treat Indian prisoners much better than India do with Pakistani ones according to BBC.

Yep, By cutting their body parts in a HALAL manner.

[Unicorn]

Yep' date=' By cutting their body parts in a HALAL manner.[/quote'] Inspired by you guys :giggle:

[swatpulla]

Why are brainwashed Indians still debating our progressive and well-informed Pakistani brothers? There is a reason why it is Pakistan that has built such a global reputation and earned global accolades for the industry it excels in. Let's just sit quietly and take lessons from their progress. :)

[Unicorn]

Why are brainwashed Indians still debating our progressive and well-informed Pakistani brothers? There is a reason why it is Pakistan that has built such a global reputation and earned global accolades for the industry it excels in. Let's just sit quietly and take lessons from their progress. :)

Sure, atleast those brainwashed Pakistani brothers know and accept whats right and wrong in their country unlike well-informed, knowledgeable Indian brothers who actually claim to know more about Pakistan than Pakistanis do.

[kosingh]

Sure' date=' atleast those brainwashed Pakistani brothers know and accept whats right and wrong in their country unlike well-informed, knowledgeable Indian brothers who actually claim to know more about Pakistan than Pakistanis do.[/quote'] This guy is still hanging around doing his jihad etc on Indian websites? Isn't there a pakistanricketfans.com website where you can take your complaints?

[Unicorn]

This guy is still hanging around doing his jihad etc on Indian websites? Isn't there a pakistanricketfans.com website where you can take your complaints?

Can't remember that 'this guy' has asked for your suggestions :--D

[swatpulla]

Sure' date=' atleast those brainwashed Pakistani brothers know and accept whats right and wrong in their country unlike well-informed, knowledgeable Indian brothers who actually claim to know more about Pakistan than Pakistanis do.[/quote'] Let the deluded carry on with their rant brother. If the current sorry state of their country cannot open their eyes to the truth, then nothing else will. Denial and delusions run deep in their psyche, no point fighting it.

[keith]

You do come across as an ignorant westerner with a predetermined notion and the way things work in this part of the world' date=' even after repeatedly trying to make you understand the situation here, you never acknowledged or observed new view points and stuck with your ignorant views which you are entitled to but please don't lecture us on how we should react or to whom we should blame when our country is attacked repeatedly by State sponsored terrorists.[/quote'] I cannot (and don't) claim to know what that's like. I'm truly sorry that you have to live with that fear. It must be a horrible thing. All I'm doing is offering my perspective. Which is that I don't agree with holding innocent people responsible for the wrongdoings of others.