Difference Between Kaptaan Kool and Kohli

[Marut]

Thats what i am saying intent was missing.Its all that is needed if we had the intent we could have gone but dhoni is safety first.

Safety first approach is not a bad thing if you don't have a great team to backup your attacking style of play. If every player tries to bat like Richards they are going to fail most of the time. Richards wasn't a safety first player but you cannot emulate him blindly. Australia were thoroughly exposed in England because they tried to be aggressive (without having the skills to tackle the moving ball) and got rolled over for 60. For a team like India that gets a chance to win overseas once or twice a decade, there is no harm in safety first approach.

[mancalledsting]

Dhoni took on a massive workload in all 3 formats (even through his back injuries)- not because he lived and breathed India but because he lived and breathed his commercial branding. He was hesitant to give up captaincy (even in one format) as he did not want to lose his control/influence over indian cricket- he knew if someone else was given the reigns and lead well, even more pressure would mount to have him booted out

[Marut]

Dhoni took on a massive workload in all 3 formats (even through his back injuries)- not because he lived and breathed India but because he lived and breathed his commercial branding. He was hesitant to give up captaincy (even in one format) as he did not want to lose his control/influence over indian cricket- he knew if someone else was given the reigns and lead well' date=' even more pressure would mount to have him booted out[/quote'] India did not have any alternatives for Dhoni. Normally, a national team has a mix of youngsters, players in their prime and aging players. So the new captain would usually be selected from the middle group. But India was caught in a strange predicament in 2011 - the middle group nearly vanished - players like Gambhir, Yuvraj, Sehwag, Bhajji, Zaheer etc who could have taken over captaincy from Dhoni suddenly found themselves struggling for a place in the side. So how can you make them captains? Sehwag was next in line for Dhoni but he lost his game completely and was thrown out of the team. Same thing happened with Gambhir. Dhoni happened to be test captain for so long because we did not have a replacement. Normally, he should have lost his test captaincy after the home loss to England, but we didn't have a single senior player in the side around that time. Even the likes of Kohli and Ashwin had not fully cemented their places in the test side around that time, having played around 10 test matches.

[BeautifulGame]

Dhoni took on a massive workload in all 3 formats (even through his back injuries)- not because he lived and breathed India but because he lived and breathed his commercial branding. He was hesitant to give up captaincy (even in one format) as he did not want to lose his control/influence over indian cricket- he knew if someone else was given the reigns and lead well' date=' even more pressure would mount to have him booted out[/quote'] He loved commercial branding so much that he gave up test cricket and retired at 32 .Yeah right makes sense Tell me which other Indian cricketer did that? Its not like he was refusing to retire till 39 becoz " He loved cricket "

[BeautifulGame]

Thats what i am saying intent was missing.Its all that is needed if we had the intent we could have gone but dhoni is safety first.

Yes because we are winning the series and that ensured it . Dravid did the same in Oval 2007 and fecking Ganguly batted into the 3rd day in Sydney in the 1st innings to get a 0-0 away drawn series Most captains do the same and choose being defensive and safety first if it means ensuring winning an away series .Sometimes even to draw like Ganguly did . Comparing that with Pakistan is different .If we r confusing with that match then We also tried to win in Adelaide and collapsed lost the test in a matter of few overs .Clearly shows Dhoni's decision to take safety first and win the test series was the correct option and intent would have cost us a test series

[Marut]

Dravid was lucky Most other countries would have sacked him the day we exited the world cup

Dravid was one of our better captains. During Dravid's captaincy India's chasing record improved dramatically, improved overseas performances in both ODIs and tests was also seen.

[diga]

Dravid was lucky Most other countries would have sacked him the day we exited the world cup

Did he not offer to resign after 2007 world cup and he was asked to carry on for lack of alternatives ? All these reports indicate that http://www.ibnlive.com/cricketnext/news/dravid-resigns-as-india-captain-325930-78.html http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/india-in-sri-lanka/top-stories/Rahul-Dravid-resigns-as-Team-India-captain/articleshow/2368400.cms?

[Lannister]

Thank the god this idiot is out for good from test cricket. It's still a wonder how he had managed to remain a captain all these years.

[zep1706]

So SA are not worthy no.1 as well considering they gave up chasing in the Joberg test ? Karma ? :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:

You mean the first test against India where they needed 16-17 runs off 3 overs and decided to go for a draw instead? Read my posts from that time. I criticized it.

[MCcricket]

Such bullshit from Dhoni worshippers lol, is sad, he was the defeatist n useless captain I have seen in test cricket, all the excuses are mostly a cause of choices or decision he made, was pathetic at team selection , nepotism in picking only his players, only one way to captain in test n that only works on slow tracks, no support for bowlers , morale wise n field placements were defeatist, never groomed or guided his team, built ben ch strength, he never deserved to be a test captain n his reign as a captain was dark times n we lost what we had gained in last 2decades, Srinis puppet n a guy who took no pride or wanted to win or improve in tests

[Marut]

Such bullshit from Dhoni worshippers lol' date=' is sad, he was the defeatist n useless captain I have seen in test cricket, all the excuses are mostly a cause of choices or decision he made, was pathetic at team selection , nepotism in picking only his players, only one way to captain in test n that only works on slow tracks, no support for bowlers , morale wise n field placements were defeatist, never groomed or guided his team, built ben ch strength, he never deserved to be a test captain n his reign as a captain was dark times n we lost what we had gained in last 2decades, Srinis puppet n a guy who took no pride or wanted to win or improve in tests[/quote'] India rose to #1 in tests under Dhoni and stayed there for 2 years, something India has never achieved historically. Why is this conveniently ignored? Also I did not see any one answering who was a good replacement for Dhoni between the years 2011-2014. It is easy to say Dhoni was worthless (yeah, the entire team was worthless outside India during this period) but which player would have been a better captaincy option in say, 2012?

[mancalledsting]

He loved commercial branding so much that he gave up test cricket and retired at 32 .Yeah right makes sense Tell me which other Indian cricketer did that? Its not like he was refusing to retire till 39 becoz " He loved cricket "

Yes indeed, he deserves shaheed status. His back has given way and the brand has been established and milked thoroughly- but he's still kept t20/odi posts. There was also BCCI pressure on him to step down.

[mancalledsting]

India did not have any alternatives for Dhoni. Normally, a national team has a mix of youngsters, players in their prime and aging players. So the new captain would usually be selected from the middle group. But India was caught in a strange predicament in 2011 - the middle group nearly vanished - players like Gambhir, Yuvraj, Sehwag, Bhajji, Zaheer etc who could have taken over captaincy from Dhoni suddenly found themselves struggling for a place in the side. So how can you make them captains? Sehwag was next in line for Dhoni but he lost his game completely and was thrown out of the team. Same thing happened with Gambhir. Dhoni happened to be test captain for so long because we did not have a replacement. Normally, he should have lost his test captaincy after the home loss to England, but we didn't have a single senior player in the side around that time. Even the likes of Kohli and Ashwin had not fully cemented their places in the test side around that time, having played around 10 test matches.

why has he he held on to t20 captaincy all these yrs?- surely this a low importance format in which India should be allowed to have tried s younger captain- also since 1st world t20 he's been a total non entity as a player. This sort of thing is why everyone hates Dhoni. No replacement for Dhoni as test captain? FFS- Surely a gadda was also capable of taking India to an 11-0 loss overseas?

[Adi_91]

The fact that Dhoni wanted to remain as captain after the disastrous end to the 2012 series in Australia still baffles me. That series was an absolute horror to watch for close to 2.5 months! Maybe there were no one good enough to replace him as Test Captain.

[moniker]

Yes because we are winning the series and that ensured it . Dravid did the same in Oval 2007 and fecking Ganguly batted into the 3rd day in Sydney in the 1st innings to get a 0-0 away drawn series Most captains do the same and choose being defensive and safety first if it means ensuring winning an away series .Sometimes even to draw like Ganguly did . Comparing that with Pakistan is different .If we r confusing with that match then We also tried to win in Adelaide and collapsed lost the test in a matter of few overs .Clearly shows Dhoni's decision to take safety first and win the test series was the correct option and intent would have cost us a test series

I don't think most would have any regrets about losing that test. Here was a captain who was willing to lead from the front to try and win the game and not settle for a tame draw. The refreshing approach alone was satisfying. And just because it didn't work that one time doesn't provide any evidence that it would cost us test series more often than help us win them.

[Adi_91]

I don't think most would have any regrets about losing that test. Here was a captain who was willing to lead from the front to try and win the game and not settle for a tame draw. The refreshing approach alone was satisfying. And just because it didn't work that one time doesn't provide any evidence that it would cost us test series more often than help us win them.

The problem in that test was we lost Vijay right after the Tea interval. And then Rohit and Rahane. I felt that Kohli should have told Saha to wait and attack. Instead, Saha threw his bat and got out. Who knows the series result if we had held Australia to a draw. As a captain, he should learn to attack at the right time and be proactive in deciding when to launch an attack on the bowlers and read the match situation. He did not read the match situation well at that time.

[jf1gp_1]

Such bullshit from Dhoni worshippers lol' date=' is sad, he was the defeatist n useless captain I have seen in test cricket, all the excuses are mostly a cause of choices or decision he made, was pathetic at team selection , nepotism in picking only his players, only one way to captain in test n that only works on slow tracks, no support for bowlers , morale wise n field placements were defeatist, never groomed or guided his team, built ben ch strength, he never deserved to be a test captain n his reign as a captain was dark times n we lost what we had gained in last 2decades, Srinis puppet n a guy who took no pride or wanted to win or improve in tests[/quote'] Dhoni has his flaws but this blind hate is what i don't understand. The first 5 overseas test series which Dhoni lead were to NZ,BD,SL,SA and WI. We won the test series in NZ,BD and WI and drew SL and SA. Yes post that it was a disaster overseas however barring that england series we were fine under him at home winning almost 70% test. What makes him look bad are those 2 series in england and australia.

[Adi_91]

Dhoni has his flaws but this blind hate is what i don't understand. The first 5 overseas test series which Dhoni lead were to NZ,BD,SL,SA and WI. We won the test series in NZ,BD and WI and drew SL and SA. Yes post that it was a disaster overseas however barring that england series we were fine under him at home winning almost 70% test. What makes him look bad are those 2 series in england and australia.

+1 And he is the most successful Indian captain in the limited overs format with impressive trophies (ICC tournies) under his belt. Tbh, in one dayers recently, I have had more faith when Dhoni is in the middle than when Virat is. Don't know why. Virat I hope emulates and goes one better than Dhoni. It will be good for Indian cricket.

[MCcricket]

The good times we had initially was not because of Dhoni but despite him, Zak being in his prime n captaining n guiding the bowlers n setting fields, The fab four taking upon themselves to win games for India because they were the greats who played together at same time until Dhoni slyly dismantled them, Dhoni more of a politician then a cricketers after his initial years, his home was CSK n India cements n his father Srini. He seemed to not care or even try to learn or improve in test, India had very good replacements batting wise n also he chose not to build n attack or guide the side,Dhoni n his fans R defeatist clutching at straws, any can see the great upheaval after his retiring, n results R to see

[BeautifulGame]

The good times we had initially was not because of Dhoni but despite him, Zak being in his prime n captaining n guiding the bowlers n setting fields, The fab four taking upon themselves to win games for India because they were the greats who played together at same time until Dhoni slyly dismantled them, Dhoni more of a politician then a cricketers after his initial years, his home was CSK n India cements n his father Srini. He seemed to not care or even try to learn or improve in test, India had very good replacements batting wise n also he chose not to build n attack or guide the side,Dhoni n his fans R defeatist clutching at straws, any can see the great upheaval after his retiring, n results R to see

Yeah loses are because of Dhoni and wins are despite him we get it :cantstop: Yeah he dismantled and build such a biased CSK team that the 2 CSK players are best players .Should have never given chances to Vijay or Ashwin as ICF said . Of course he played politics and build such a rubbish team and all his fault that the likes of Rahane Pujara Vijay Kohli Ashwin Ishant are playing test cricket