Outside cricket, what has Tendulkar been for India ?

[randomGuy]

3 hours ago, laaloo said:

Chalo that's better. Being foolish is way better than being a chutiya

Sirji emotional kyon kar rahe ho...i am a fan of sachin among others... I don't take it personally when someone calls Sachin fans fools..they mean that many of Sachin fans are fools/chutiyas..

 

I am a bigger fan of Kohli . Someone gonna call him a fake superficial showoff, I am not gonna start fighting as I can understand/appreciate this viewpoint.

Edited December 6, 2016 by randomGuy

[narenpande1]

Unfortunately in India, our most celebrated are insatiable in their greed for indulgence and opulence.

 

They come across as extremely small hearted and shallow when it comes to giving back..

 

Sachin is not the only one. Even someone like Bachchan, who has been the subject of extraordinary goodwill of the people of India 

falls in this category.

 

This guy was fighting for his life in the hospital at the peak of his stardom when shooting for Coolie, and hundreds of thousands of well wishers and fans spent sleepless nights outside the hospital praying for his recovery.

 

IN return this chap when asked about his philanthropy says that he has helped several farmers whenever he could directly.

 

Really, at what price ? Few lakh rupees ?? Here is someone who owns half a dozen properties 1000 crore+ in the posh Juhu area itself.

 

50 plus luxury cars, expensive watches and pens worth crores. 

 

After a certain threshold philanthropy is measured at a relative level - giving as % of your overall wealth.

 

A small time businessman or white collar professional giving 2-3 lakhs for social  causes is doing a hell lot more than somebody like bachchan worth hundreds of millions of dollars giving a few lakh rupees. It is all relative.

 

But the common public in India is too dumb to realize this relativity and there in these celebreties get away with their pettiness.

 

And everything they do is falsely amplified.

 

Somebody like Tendulkar, who once told a NDTV car program anchor that he has a collection of over 70 + sports cars in his personal garage.

 

For such a person to come on TV and all the time falsely talk about his  " middle class values " is such a falsehood.

 

Not only that ...his PR team never forgets to talk about apnalaya where he throws in some pennies....

 

 

[randomGuy]

^hatsoff to the above post.

[Laaloo]

11 minutes ago, narenpande1 said:

Unfortunately in India, our most celebrated are insatiable in their greed for indulgence and opulence.

 

They come across as extremely small hearted and shallow when it comes to giving back..

 

Sachin is not the only one. Even someone like Bachchan, who has been the subject of extraordinary goodwill of the people of India 

falls in this category.

 

This guy was fighting for his life in the hospital at the peak of his stardom when shooting for Coolie, and hundreds of thousands of well wishers and fans spent sleepless nights outside the hospital praying for his recovery.

 

IN return this chap when asked about his philanthropy says that he has helped several farmers whenever he could directly.

 

Really, at what price ? Few lakh rupees ?? Here is someone who owns half a dozen properties 1000 crore+ in the posh Juhu area itself.

 

50 plus luxury cars, expensive watches and pens worth crores. 

 

After a certain threshold philanthropy is measured at a relative level - giving as % of your overall wealth.

 

A small time businessman or white collar professional giving 2-3 lakhs for social  causes is doing a hell lot more than somebody like bachchan worth hundreds of millions of dollars giving a few lakh rupees. It is all relative.

 

But the common public in India is too dumb to realize this relativity and there in these celebreties get away with their pettiness.

 

And everything they do is falsely amplified.

 

Somebody like Tendulkar, who once told a NDTV car program anchor that he has a collection of over 70 + sports cars in his personal garage.

 

For such a person to come on TV and all the time falsely talk about his  " middle class values " is such a falsehood.

 

Not only that ...his PR team never forgets to talk about apnalaya where he throws in some pennies....

 

 

Only 70 cars? What a cheapass. What is he saving the money for? He should be having 365 cars. New car everyday baby.

[cricketjoshila]

Tendulkar must also solve the Kashmir issue,corruption and poverty in India.He must also get Salman Khan married,arrest Dawood,Hafiz Saeed  and Masood Azhar.He must also find a way to give some brains to RaGa. Sachin must also help in reducing pollution in India.He mus also win India the FIFA world cup and olympics gold in 100mt 200mt High Jump Long Jump Pole Vault and Swiming.

 

The OP is a joke. What should a cricketer do outside Cricket?

[Laaloo]

11 minutes ago, cricketjoshila said:

Tendulkar must also solve the Kashmir issue,corruption and poverty in India.He must also get Salman Khan married,arrest Dawood,Hafiz Saeed  and Masood Azhar.He must also find a way to give some brains to RaGa. Sachin must also help in reducing pollution in India.He mus also win India the FIFA world cup and olympics gold in 100mt 200mt High Jump Long Jump Pole Vault and Swiming.

 

The OP is a joke. What should a cricketer do outside Cricket?

shhhh you're going to be called a chutiya for saying that

[cricketjoshila]

3 minutes ago, laaloo said:

shhhh you're going to be called a chutiya for saying that

Then as a moderator you should take action againist such crude language.People who dont have any substance to debate get down to abusing.

[narenpande1]

45 minutes ago, cricketjoshila said:

Tendulkar must also solve the Kashmir issue,corruption and poverty in India.He must also get Salman Khan married,arrest Dawood,Hafiz Saeed  and Masood Azhar.He must also find a way to give some brains to RaGa. Sachin must also help in reducing pollution in India.He mus also win India the FIFA world cup and olympics gold in 100mt 200mt High Jump Long Jump Pole Vault and Swiming.

 

The OP is a joke. What should a cricketer do outside Cricket?

Nooooooo

 

tendulkar the cricketer must meet defense minister to bend security law for his personal financial benefit. He must declare himself an artiste to save taxes. He must sell an imported gifted car with the fiasco over waved of duty for personal profit to a businessman.

 

A Bharat Ratna must behave like a Bharat Ratna after all.

Edited December 6, 2016 by narenpande1

[randomGuy]

46 minutes ago, cricketjoshila said:

Tendulkar must also solve the Kashmir issue,corruption and poverty in India.He must also get Salman Khan married,arrest Dawood,Hafiz Saeed  and Masood Azhar.He must also find a way to give some brains to RaGa. Sachin must also help in reducing pollution in India.He mus also win India the FIFA world cup and olympics gold in 100mt 200mt High Jump Long Jump Pole Vault and Swiming.

 

The OP is a joke. What should a cricketer do outside Cricket?

Raga is a genius compared to Sachin fans.

[Mariyam]

15 minutes ago, narenpande1 said:

Nooooooo

 

tendulkar the cricketer must meet defense minister to bend security law for his personal financial benefit. He must declare himself an artiste to save taxes. He must sell an imported gifted car with the fiasco over waved of duty for personal profit to a businessman.

 

A Bharat Ratna must behave like a Bharat Ratna after all.

There weren't any "security laws" bent whatsoever.

 

Selling something that belongs to you to make profits is not that unethical a thing. Most business people do that. You should go through this thread/post for more details on the alleged duty evasion case.

[randomGuy]

31 minutes ago, narenpande1 said:

Nooooooo

 

tendulkar the cricketer must meet defense minister to bend security law for his personal financial benefit. He must declare himself an artiste to save taxes. He must sell an imported gifted car with the fiasco over waved of duty for personal profit to a businessman.

 

A Bharat Ratna must behave like a Bharat Ratna after all.

Once Sachin pooped on a fan's face. Fan said it was Mutter paneer.

[narenpande1]

6 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

There weren't any "security laws" bent whatsoever.

 

Selling something that belongs to you to make profits is not that unethical a thing. Most business people do that. You should go through this thread/post for more details on the alleged duty evasion case.

 

Do you understand anything about security laws ? Do you think DRDO/Defense Dept are fools to set such barriers ?

 

Guests living in that private property/ hotel could be agents who could espionage on DRDO installations.

 

Its unbelievable the extent to which some people can go to defend a person with such low gratitude and very low social resp values.

 

Its quiet cheap to sell a gift  for profit, innit ?

 

 

[narenpande1]

4 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

Once Sachin pooped on a fan's face. Fan said it was Mutter paneer.

 

LOL..would not be surprised. There are people here who would wish him a longer life if that meant their own parents live a lesser number of years.. and if that were possible.

 

All this for what sort of an individual ??

[Detonator]

8 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

Once Sachin pooped on a fan's face. Fan said it was Mutter paneer.

Bhai, you are better than this.

[randomGuy]

3 minutes ago, Detonator said:

Bhai, you are better than this.

Don't take it literally bro.

[Mariyam]

7 minutes ago, narenpande1 said:

 

Do you understand anything about security laws ? Do you think DRDO/Defense Dept are fools to set such barriers ?

Guests living in that private property/ hotel could be agents who could espionage on DRDO installations.

Its unbelievable the extent to which some people can go to defend a person with such low gratitude and very low social resp values.

Its quiet cheap to sell a gift  for profit, innit ?

 

He lobbied. The Defense Minister didn't interfere in the judgement. Lobbying is a democratic right. If the courts rule against Narang's illegal construction there is nothing in the world Sachin can do.

 

Do you realize that lobbying is a perfectly legal and constitutional activity. There is nothing illegal/above the law/ breaking "security law" that Sachin has done here.

 

Again, it is cheap to sell a gift. But its his gift. Why stand in judgement?

[Muloghonto]

This is ass backwards. We need a society where there are mechanisms to take care of the poor, instead of rich people using philanthropy as an ego boost or poor people trying to make rich people feel crappy for not donating money they earned legitimately.

 

How much money does the OP donate to the poor ? Does he live like Ramkrishna ? If not, stop being a hypocrite. 

Instead of making people feel crappy for not donating money they earned, ask why India can't do things like Norway/Sweden/Finland/Denmark/Canada and provide social assistance to the poor, EI benefits to the unemployed, tax paid medical & educational systems. 

Because that would be far more constructive than donations from the rich.

 

[moniker]

Looks like the OP doesn't understand basic economics. Owning properties doesn't mean money going down the drain. The money eventually trickles down to the families of the builders, property agents and construction workers who had worked on the projects.

Buying imported cars isn't money gone down the drain. You have to pay import duty to the government. The problem with Tendulkar's request for a tax waiver was that he had received the car as a gift. I can understand that, though I would have paid the tax as I'd be using the car anyway.

My only beef with goddy is him meeting the defense minister to protect an illegal construction. That was dishonorable.

And I don't understand this logic behind owing to the fans. So is it ok for a rich businessman to not be philanthropic as he doesn't have a fan following? You have fans because you are good at what you do. You don't become good at what you do because you have fans.

[narenpande1]

11 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

He lobbied. The Defense Minister didn't interfere in the judgement. Lobbying is a democratic right. If the courts rule against Narang's illegal construction there is nothing in the world Sachin can do.

 

Do you realize that lobbying is a perfectly legal and constitutional activity. There is nothing illegal/above the law/ breaking "security law" that Sachin has done here.

 

Again, it is cheap to sell a gift. But its his gift. Why stand in judgement?

 

Mariyam, I stay in the US. I know what lobbying is.

 

Lobbying is nothing but another form of crony capitalism.

 

In this case, he was " lobbying " against national interests ( exposing a defense installation ) for a personal financial interest.

 

It is not illegal, but Sachin shows no reluctance to seek favors out of reach for even someone as big as Sanjay Narang.

 

While Sanjay Narang is no Ambani, he is a filthy rich businessman in his own right. 

 

It is quiet interesting that you feel it is okay for a Bharat Ratna to lobby for commmerical profit.

Edited December 6, 2016 by narenpande1

[narenpande1]

14 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

This is ass backwards. We need a society where there are mechanisms to take care of the poor, instead of rich people using philanthropy as an ego boost or poor people trying to make rich people feel crappy for not donating money they earned legitimately.

 

How much money does the OP donate to the poor ? Does he live like Ramkrishna ? If not, stop being a hypocrite. 

Instead of making people feel crappy for not donating money they earned, ask why India can't do things like Norway/Sweden/Finland/Denmark/Canada and provide social assistance to the poor, EI benefits to the unemployed, tax paid medical & educational systems. 

Because that would be far more constructive than donations from the rich.

 

 

Compare apples to apples. You are comparing India to countries that have resource to population ratio 1000 times greater than India - which is the welfare Scandinavian countries you mentioned. Their tax rates are above 40 %.

 

If India resorted to this it would result in even more tax evasion.

 

Only the Narayana Murthy's, Premjis, Nilakenis and Tatas to a large extent understand the benefit and need for philanthropy in India.

 

Millions of  homeless children/orphans, impoverished families with no source of income benefit if the high and mighty of India  show semblance of austerity and have a bigger heart. 

 

India has the second worst GINI numbers ( income disparity) in the world. 

 

 

 

Edited December 6, 2016 by narenpande1