Barcelona Van Terror Attack

[Tibarn]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/aug/17/barcelona-attack-van-driven-into-crowd-in-las-ramblas-district

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For now we don’t know who was responsible for the attack, nor what the motive was.

However, we do know that the use of vehicles to drive into civilians is a mode of attack hugely difficult to stop.

Atrocities involving vehicle attacks have been carried out in France, Germany and Britain. Such vehicle attacks generally require very little planning, and no wider network, leaving little or no opportunity for the authorities to detect and stop them.

Las Ramblas was full of people, is largely or wholly open, with few obstacles to block the path of any vehicle.

Britain suffered vehicle attacks by Islamist terrorists in Westminster in March and London Bridge in June. In London Bridge the van was rented hours before the attack with reconnaissance of the area where the atrocity took place carried out minutes before.

Options to make a vehicle attack harder include making renting vehicles harder and placing barriers to limit how far an attacker could drive as they mow civilians down.

 

13 dead so far. 

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In a tweet, Catalan police confirmed they were dealing with a terrorist attack.

“Terrorist attack confirmed,” they said. “The terrorist attack protocol has been activated.”

Latest update

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Witnesses to the terror attack in Barcelona described how a white van hurtled through crowds without slowing down.

Scores were sent scattering in panic as carnage unfolded on Las Ramblas, a bustling high street often thronged with tourists at the height of the summer season. Many were forced to take shelter in nearby shops and hotels, while others reported hearing gunshots.

Tom Gueller, who lives on a road adjoining the site of the attack, was forced to flee when the vehicle began hitting pedestrians.

 

[chewy]

looks like the perpetrator fled the scene and is armed and holed up in some restaurant.

 

in recent months there is also been protests against high number of tourists visiting Barcelona and pricing out the locals. 

[Tibarn]

 

ISIS claims responsibility.  13 dead over 80 injured. 

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Time for Europe to take strong action againist these home grown idiots.

[Texy]

Not home grown but Moroccan descent. Europe is so lax when it comes to security...ppl are too lazy and forget things. It's not that hard when u let all this arab bastards in the country easily. 

[chewy]

From Pakistan to Morroco, this what the so called caliphate stands for...wanton killing of others

[randomGuy]

https://video.fagr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t42.1790-2/20910090_331012454027769_5459046202223886336_n.mp4?efg=eyJybHIiOjc5MywicmxhIjo1MTIsInZlbmNvZGVfdGFnIjoic3ZlX3NkIn0%3D&oh=a8ce2f85030dce40f2db08a27d04fdc9&oe=5996D47C

[Gollum]

Sunni Islam(not Shia, those folk are decent) is a headache for entire humanity. Imagine their atrocities on peace loving Indians in the medieval ages !!! It isn't a religion, it is a death cult.  

Edited August 18, 2017 by Gollum

[rageaddict]

2 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Islam is a headache for entire humanity. Imagine their atrocities on peace loving Indians in the medieval ages !!! It isn't a religion, it is a death cult. 

What about the future in India?  More Muslims than Pakistan plus Shielded by Secularists, Liberals and the media. 

 

Thoughts please? 

[Gollum]

22 hours ago, rageaddict said:

What about the future in India?  More Muslims than Pakistan plus Shielded by Secularists, Liberals and the media. 

 

Thoughts please? 

Going to be very tough. We may not be able to witness it first hand but our next generation(those born after 2020) will suffer like hell. Once M pop rises above 30-35% India will become another Somalia. I would take another partition over having to live with such a huge M pop by my side. 1947 partition was left incomplete, next partition hopefully is complete. 

[surajmal]

37 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Going to be very tough. We may not be able to witness it first hand but our next generation(those born after 2020) will suffer like hell. Once M pop rises above 30-35% India will become another Somalia. I would take another partition over having to live with such a huge M pop by my side. 1947 partition was left incomplete, next partition hopefully is complete. 

Start a referendum in your state for declaring it a sanctuary for Muslims in this supposed partition. 

[Gollum]

10 minutes ago, surajmal said:

Start a referendum in your state for declaring it a sanctuary for Muslims in this supposed partition. 

My state doesn't have a M population explosion like Assam, JK, Bengal, Kerala etc if you check the 2001 and 2011 census. Though a few areas along the coast and isolated pockets here and there are already beyond the govt's control.  

[surajmal]

7 minutes ago, Gollum said:

My state doesn't have a M population explosion like Assam, JK, Bengal, Kerala etc if you check the 2001 and 2011 census. Though a few areas along the coast and isolated pockets here and there are already beyond the govt's control.  

So? If you think Hindus should be gifting away land, as if there is unlimited supply, start with your own. 

[rageaddict]

9 minutes ago, surajmal said:

So? If you think Hindus should be gifting away land, as if there is unlimited supply, start with your own. 

Once you are outnumbered by them in a certain area then its better to let it go than suffer through systematic Riots, Terrorist attacks,  Rapes and Conversions. 

[Gollum]

3 minutes ago, surajmal said:

So? If you think Hindus should be gifting away land, as if there is unlimited supply, start with your own. 

There are many places in India where gifting away land will actually help us. Take for example Dhubri in lower Assam, the hot spot for illegal Bangla immigration. M population increased by 600%(national M average 28%, for Hindus 18%) in 10 years(2001-2011) and now the area is completely M majority. Because of geographical reasons(eg Brahmaputra floods and shifting course) we can't fence that particular area. So BSF is unable to stop the influx. Demography in Assam has changed considerably, latest by 2041 census it will be a M majority state. Lower Assam adjoining Dhubri alone accounts for half that population. Hindus there live in perennial fear, police or even BSF are unable to help them. If we gift away some of that portion strategically during a hypothetical 2nd partition, how is that bad? 

 

You talk as if gifting away land is a bad thing. Do you feel bad about 1947 partition then? Would you rather live in one India with Pakistanis among our midst? Would you prefer KPK, FATA as integral parts of India and a neighbor like AFG on our western front? IMO partition was the best thing to happen in the last 1000 years, it was incomplete but still better than any other point of time since the Sultanate. A smaller India with 96% of non Muslims or a larger India with 35% Muslims....easy choice for me. 

[surajmal]

6 minutes ago, Gollum said:

There are many places in India where gifting away land will actually help us. Take for example Dhubri in lower Assam, the hot spot for illegal Bangla immigration. M population increased by 600%(national M average 28%, for Hindus 18%) in 10 years(2001-2011) and now the area is completely M majority. Because of geographical reasons(eg Brahmaputra floods and shifting course) we can't fence that particular area. So BSF is unable to stop the influx. Demography in Assam has changed considerably, latest by 2041 census it will be a M majority state. Lower Assam adjoining Dhubri alone accounts for half that population. Hindus there live in perennial fear, police or even BSF are unable to help them. If we gift away some of that portion strategically during a hypothetical 2nd partition, how is that bad? 

 

You talk as if gifting away land is a bad thing. Do you feel bad about 1947 partition then? Would you rather live in one India with Pakistanis among our midst? Would you prefer KPK, FATA as integral parts of India and a neighbor like AFG on our western front? IMO partition was the best thing to happen in the last 1000 years, it was incomplete but still better than any other point of time since the Sultanate. A smaller India with 96% of non Muslims or a larger India with 35% Muslims....easy choice for me. 

What has all this got to do with anything? 

 

Since you aren't willing to relinquish your land, are you going to ensure that this time we have total population transfer so that we aren't discussing another partition in 100 years? 

[surajmal]

15 minutes ago, rageaddict said:

Once you are outnumbered by them in a certain area then its better to let it go than suffer through systematic Riots, Terrorist attacks,  Rapes and Conversions. 

Pretty easy for you to say let it go. Thankfully there are still people in this country with little more attachment to the land. 

[Ranvir]

Muslims will never be able to do anything. At the end of the day they are a minuscule number in the army. Even in this day and age military might is the biggest force in the world.

 

I've been watching a lot of partition documentaries this week and it shows that we Sikhs were the ones who gave the muslims a great ass kicking in this time after they started trouble with us and we are generally still very mistrustful of these guys today.

 

Don't be liberal with them, treat them as they would treat you in Pakistan.

[randomGuy]

Islam teaches separatism, intolerance etc. in many seemingly harmless ways. You would find non-hindus in india using sanskrit/Hindi names...All non-hindus excluding muslims....sikhs, jains, Buddhists, several times even a Christian would have a hindi/sanskrit first or last name. But muslim indian names are always arabic. Why can't an indian muslim have a name such as ajay or anand? Look at their beard , their attire (burqa is the most disgusting dress in the world....The black color , the veil...It's the quintessence of oppression of women), how they cut animals as a ritual in the name of sacrifice...how disgusting.

 

[rageaddict]

22 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

Muslims will never be able to do anything. At the end of the day they are a minuscule number in the army. Even in this day and age military might is the biggest force in the world.

 

I've been watching a lot of partition documentaries this week and it shows that we Sikhs were the ones who gave the muslims a great ass kicking in this time after they started trouble with us and we are generally still very mistrustful of these guys today.

 

Don't be liberal with them, treat them as they would treat you in Pakistan.

Do you think it is a deliberate policy to keep the Number of Muslims in the Armed forces to an absolute minimum?  

 

I find it very baffling that a Country with around 17 % Muslim Population has lower than 2 % representation in the Armed Forces. Either they lack the passion to join the Army or are deliberately being kept outside the fold of defense services.