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Md Siraj: Hyderabad Fast bowler [Update:Now selected for India Test team ]

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18 minutes ago, Vijy said:

didn't nagarkoti hit 145 despite being a couple of yrs younger?

Avesh is tall and bouncy and bowls a heavy ball.  

 

135 k to 142 k / 145 k type pace will be good enough for him.

 

Also, he should  get quicker in a couple of years as he matures.

 

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He does well in IPL and domestic 50 overs. As soon as he gets a chance in T20i or ODI, he goes back to being a run leaking machine. 

 

Whereas on same lines, we see how well Sundar has grabbed the opportunity. 

 

This will be our problem. Our spinners are more quality material. They will adapt to international format much better than our fast bowlers. I mean give 5 spin bowlers from India a chance and 5 pace bowlers a chance. At end of the day more spinners will give better performances than pacers. 

 

 

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20 hours ago, Straight Drive said:

He does well in IPL and domestic 50 overs. As soon as he gets a chance in T20i or ODI, he goes back to being a run leaking machine. 

 

Whereas on same lines, we see how well Sundar has grabbed the opportunity. 

 

This will be our problem. Our spinners are more quality material. They will adapt to international format much better than our fast bowlers. I mean give 5 spin bowlers from India a chance and 5 pace bowlers a chance. At end of the day more spinners will give better performances than pacers. 

 

 

Now most of the bowlers are getting enough exposure by playing in Ipl, A tours. Siraj was also among the bowlers selected as net bowler in SA. 

He has wasted his opportunity to impress the team management 

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2 hours ago, tweaker said:

Now most of the bowlers are getting enough exposure by playing in Ipl, A tours. Siraj was also among the bowlers selected as net bowler in SA. 

He has wasted his opportunity to impress the team management 

experience alone is of no use until you develop the skills to be successful in that particular format.

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We are investing in wrong players. These Siraj, Thakur, Thampi, Pant, Iyer, Nair just don't have it in them to make it at this level. That's what happens when the selectors and management don't have the eye for talent. Unfortunately I don't see this trend changing anytime soon. 

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3 hours ago, Jamadagni said:

We are investing in wrong players. These Siraj, Thakur, Thampi, Pant, Iyer, Nair just don't have it in them to make it at this level. That's what happens when the selectors and management don't have the eye for talent. Unfortunately I don't see this trend changing anytime soon. 

One bloody T20 match on flat sub-continent pitch is used to evalaute the pace bowler...

Siraj is a proper seam bowler....

He is very rare breed....

He should be conserved and safe-guarded and kept away from these useless T20's

he is still raw and learning the trade....but has huge skills

These kind of bowlers will win you a test match outside subcontinent 

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9 hours ago, Jamadagni said:

We are investing in wrong players. These Siraj, Thakur, Thampi, Pant, Iyer, Nair just don't have it in them to make it at this level. That's what happens when the selectors and management don't have the eye for talent. Unfortunately I don't see this trend changing anytime soon. 

You r wrong there, Thampi has lots of potential, has pace, slingy arm, accurate enuff n can move the ball, selectors need to try youngsters in odi n tests n t20 is the worst format to groom them,Pant has potential but needs time n once he has got the taste of int cricket he knows where he stands n kearns from it.Siraj is playing in the wrong format, he should be tried for tests or odi, he has oace, bounce n bowls some genuine wkt taking balls on any wkt, also has a good action n runup,also he can seam the ball so lots of potential he needs to be groomed mored first class n A tours.

Guys we have wasted resources on are Dhoni, Kartik, Yuvi, Raina, Unadkunt, Shardul n Iyer alsk looks mediocre.

Guys we should look at, Mayank, Samarth, Sarfaraz, Shankar, Gopal, Sundar, Ishan, Aniket, Khalil, Ankit, Sangwan, Saini, Khejroliya, Hooda, Unmukt.

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Why is T20 worst format? Just because some players cannot perform in it the format becomes bad. Lot of players have made career in T20. For them this is the best. 

 

Hope the players won't blame the format because they flop. 

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On 17/03/2018 at 1:44 PM, tweaker said:

Now most of the bowlers are getting enough exposure by playing in Ipl, A tours. Siraj was also among the bowlers selected as net bowler in SA. 

He has wasted his opportunity to impress the team management 

Some players lack skills to succeed in a particular format. Siraj has failed in T20. He may do well in other formats. We will only know if he is given a chance in the remaining formats. Chet is good in longer format but very dismal in shorter. Some players have one dimensional game. So there is some hope that Siraj may do well in something else if not suited for T20. Only time will tell. But so far I agree he has not grabbed his opportunity. Sundar has grabbed it with both hands.

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20 hours ago, Jamadagni said:

We are investing in wrong players. These Siraj, Thakur, Thampi, Pant, Iyer, Nair just don't have it in them to make it at this level. That's what happens when the selectors and management don't have the eye for talent. Unfortunately I don't see this trend changing anytime soon. 

Out of 10 cricketers the selectors give a chance to, not all 10 will adapt to international level. There is gulf in quality of domestic and internationls and hence only some percentile cricketers manange to perform in international level. Selectors had given youngsters chance, but it is totally up to youngsters to perform. The onus is on them once selected. 

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34 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Why is T20 worst format? Just because some players cannot perform in it the format becomes bad. Lot of players have made career in T20. For them this is the best. 

 

Hope the players won't blame the format because they flop. 

A bowler gets to bowl 24 balls in T20, n he is a rookie, there is no leeway, chance to comeback, be attacking, bowl the corridor length, only criteria stop boundaries, only in rarest or rare cases you will see someone like Bumrah, also he has a unique action n was ideal for this format.

T20 is a bastar#$4& version of cricket, spinners will bowl flat or darts, you wont see much effort at flighting the ball, turn or inviting the batsmen to drive.

You wont see even one slip most times, mist tracks will be batting paradise with shorter boundaries, the right for at to judge a bowler is a test mtach or odi .

 

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14 minutes ago, MCcricket said:

A bowler gets to bowl 24 balls in T20, n he is a rookie, there is no leeway, chance to comeback, be attacking, bowl the corridor length, only criteria stop boundaries, only in rarest or rare cases you will see someone like Bumrah, also he has a unique action n was ideal for this format.

T20 is a bastar#$4& version of cricket, spinners will bowl flat or darts, you wont see much effort at flighting the ball, turn or inviting the batsmen to drive.

You wont see even one slip most times, mist tracks will be batting paradise with shorter boundaries, the right for at to judge a bowler is a test mtach or odi .

 

Problem with Siraj is that he is a run leaking machine. His economy rate is 12 which is worse even in T20. Think a lot of pace bowlers have economy less than 8.  He loses matches with his economy, such bad it is. 

 

A bowler with economy rate of 12 should never be in team as specialist bowler imo.

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2 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Problem with Siraj is that he is a run leaking machine. His economy rate is 12 which is worse even in T20. Think a lot of pace bowlers have economy less than 8.  He loses matches with his economy, such bad it is.

Thats exactly my point a new driver who just git his license, will you ket him test drive a v8 turbo charged, nitro burning dragster or your old Maruti suzuki? What woukd be less overwhelming and a sensible decision?

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30 minutes ago, MCcricket said:

Thats exactly my point a new driver who just git his license, will you ket him test drive a v8 turbo charged, nitro burning dragster or your old Maruti suzuki? What woukd be less overwhelming and a sensible decision?

In that analogy he is actually banging the car in each and every test drive. I would not even give him a test drive considering he has spoilt 3 cars so far.

 

There is no excuse for eco rate of 12. It's unacceptable imo.

 

Sundar : eco 5.8

Jasprit : eco 6.86

Kukdeep: eco 7.66

Yuz : eco 8.1

Shardul:  eco 8.38

Jaydev :  eco 8.74

Siraj : eco 12.33

 

 

His eco 12.33 is in a totally higher range where no other Indian bowlers are grouped alongside him.

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6 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

In that analogy he is actually banging the car in each and every test drive. I would not even give him a test drive considering he has spoilt 3 cars so far.

 

There is no excuse for eco rate of 12. It's unacceptable imo.

 

 

Plz dont use the term Banging the car, rather use the word wrecking, as that would be a weird innuendo if you know what it coukd mean ,lol.

On a serious note, this lad is a rookie, hasnt played much first class cricket or age group cricket, comes from a very very humbked background to boot,is playing on patta n in tne worst version for bowlers.

Some bowlers like Khalil who has played age group n is exceptional and a left armer to boot might take to th version a bit more easily.

To begin with T20 is a bowlers nightmare, secondly being played in a batting paradise, he is a part of a unexperienced lineup, what r the odds, this is the worst way to nurture or take care of a rookie.

He has a few things going for him, has pace, good action, still raw, has had a good season, has shown good skill sets n variety to his bowling but to translate this in internation cricket n in t20 right away is not a easy task at all, i dont believe we should introduce young bowlers into t20 right away be it spinners or pacers.

 

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20 minutes ago, MCcricket said:

Plz dont use the term Banging the car, rather use the word wrecking, as that would be a weird innuendo if you know what it coukd mean ,lol.

On a serious note, this lad is a rookie, hasnt played much first class cricket or age group cricket, comes from a very very humbked background to boot,is playing on patta n in tne worst version for bowlers.

Some bowlers like Khalil who has played age group n is exceptional and a left armer to boot might take to th version a bit more easily.

To begin with T20 is a bowlers nightmare, secondly being played in a batting paradise, he is a part of a unexperienced lineup, what r the odds, this is the worst way to nurture or take care of a rookie.

He has a few things going for him, has pace, good action, still raw, has had a good season, has shown good skill sets n variety to his bowling but to translate this in internation cricket n in t20 right away is not a easy task at all, i dont believe we should introduce young bowlers into t20 right away be it spinners or pacers.

 

At the moment we have lot of bowlers leaking a lot runs less than him. I therefore see no reason why to play a much higher eco rate bowler considering availability of better proven options. 

 

Better options as follows :

 

Sundar : eco 5.8

Jasprit : eco 6.86

Kukdeep: eco 7.66

Yuz : eco 8.1

Shardul:  eco 8.38

Jaydev :  eco 8.74

 

 

Siraj : eco 12.33

 

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5 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

At the moment we have lot of bowlers leaking a lot runs less than him. I therefore see no reason why to play a much higher eco rate bowler considering availability of better proven options. 

 

Better options as follows :

 

Sundar : eco 5.8

Jasprit : eco 6.86

Kukdeep: eco 7.66

Yuz : eco 8.1

Shardul:  eco 8.38

Jaydev :  eco 8.74

 

 

Siraj : eco 12.33

 

I fullh agree he shoukd not be playing or picked up for t20 team, in the long run he coukd be much much better then mediocre Thakur n poor Unadkunt , he should be groomed more n taken to A tours and pkay more donestics.

Guys who shouldve been played before him Aniket, Thampi, Khalil, Sandeep Sharma, Sangwan.

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5 minutes ago, tweaker said:

Bumrah is injured, Why to rush him to play in the 2nd test.

 

We have seen how Bhubaneswar aggravated his injury by playing in 3rd odi

 

Opinion is divided on this issue. 

 

But why Shardul  ?

 

Even if Bumrah were to be rested, and with Rajpoot injured ...  why not pick Siraj and Saini.

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19 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Opinion is divided on this issue. 

 

But why Shardul  ?

 

Even if Bumrah were to be rested, and with Rajpoot injured ...  why not pick Siraj and Saini.

Not sure what saini has done before this but 2/165 in this A game suggests he may not be good enough right now to play the tests. Siraj should definitely deserves a go though.

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Not sure what saini has done before this but 2/165 in this A game suggests he may not be good enough right now to play the tests. Siraj should definitely deserves a go though.
Saina is a better prospect than Siraj.You should have seen his performance in semi final.

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53 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Not sure what saini has done before this but 2/165 in this A game suggests he may not be good enough right now to play the tests. Siraj should definitely deserves a go though.

 

Saini bowled exceptionally in the Ranji semi final and did well in the final too.  He is a bowler who combines high pace, accracy and seam movement both ways.

 

 

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Same old crap from the bunch of jokers. They never learn, do they? Mixing up the different formats, will play a specialist player in a format he isn't particularly known for. He fails, will be thrown out & the passengers continue to hold their places in the team.
Did it with Krunal who should've played in ODIs.
Now doing it with Siraj/Saini.
Honestly Shardul doesnt even warrant a place in our test squad, so lets not even talk about him in our playing test eleven. Already lost Bhuvi, Bumrah if unfortunately someone breaks down again then we'll be watching him trundle against Root, Cook & co.

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On 7/19/2018 at 6:13 PM, CG said:
On 7/19/2018 at 5:27 PM, Nikhil_cric said:
Not sure what saini has done before this but 2/165 in this A game suggests he may not be good enough right now to play the tests. Siraj should definitely deserves a go though.

Saina is a better prospect than Siraj.You should have seen his performance in semi final.

in this england A vs INDIA A matches , siraj has out classed all the other pacers big time...

I think Siraj had actually broken the door for a test call ahead of Shardul, I am surprised as to why shardul was picked.

Shardul is also not a bad bowler but Siraj is bowling 136 to 148K and good aggressive wicket taking line n length and was beating Umesh on PACE and line n length...if Shammi is not bowling well, siraj could have been played specially when 4 pacers are selected with the 4th beeing hardik.umesh ishant and shammi - if any goes out of form Shardul may Sneak in , siraj could have been a better option but Still i wanna tell you guys SHardul is not BAD...Saini and Shardul are Similiar, same pace and same swing but Siraj is one level UP at the level of Umesh Yadav and SHAMMI..

Bumrah is one level further UP

BHuvi is a gem under swing conditions else not.

Ishant is not getting challenged by ANKIT Rajpoot ..as ankit did not get too many wickets in the match...

I hope Ishant will be the 140+ Ishant and the full length ISHANT and not the short of length ISHANT...

i also hope SHAMMI and Umesh also focus on Pace and line n length both as Umesh is getting into under 140K mode, he looks an average bowler and does not create opportunities under 140K ...Same is true about Shammi.

EVEN that Hardik when he gets into SPEED mode can get wickets but u cant be sure of his rhythm and consistency.

Kuldeep is bound to get wickets even if the PITCH does not assist SPIN and thats why i would drop ashwin and play kuldeep as the only Spinner.

i would play Hardik only if I am convinced that he is bowling and batting well , i mean if i am seeing him bowling with rhythm and i think he bats OK and he should at least try to Bat well ..if his rhythm is not there it is better to play 6 batsman and karthik and umesh ishant shammi and Kuldeep.

 

 

 

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38 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

pick him quick before he picks up an injury or loses form,or is mumbai lobby more imp

this has been the problem with out selections in recent years.  we dont pick players when they are doing well and in form.  Do you remember how many fast bowlers have debuted for us in tests in last 4-5 years?

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3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

this has been the problem with out selections in recent years.  we dont pick players when they are doing well and in form.  Do you remember how many fast bowlers have debuted for us in tests in last 4-5 years?

 

The  " queue system " is killing selections to the senior team ...  despite the fact that A-team selections have generally been great.

 

It should be immaterial when someone enters the selection fray.   Just select the best player available and not the one who was in the race earlier.

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Siraj should be in our test and ODI teams ... and nowhere near the T20I team.

 

He picked up an astounding 23 wickets from 7 List A matches this domestic season.  How was he not in the 50-over A-team  !!!!

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3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

The  " queue system " is killing selections to the senior team ...  despite the fact that A-team selections have generally been great.

 

It should be immaterial when someone enters the selection fray.   Just select the best player available and not the one who was in the race earlier.

yes. Aim should be to select the best players irrespective of the age.

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