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Umesh yadav not a sure starter in XI

Kuldeep hasnt been treated well and has lost his form so also not a sureshot in XI

KL has been mishandled by kohli 

Rishabh pant again is being mishandled currently 

 

Dont tell me these u wanna say that these cricketers are there coz of just cornerstone 

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21 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Umesh yadav not a sure starter in XI

Kuldeep hasnt been treated well and has lost his form so also not a sureshot in XI

KL has been mishandled by kohli 

Rishabh pant again is being mishandled currently 

 

Dont tell me these u wanna say that these cricketers are there coz of just cornerstone 

Umesh still plays tests

Kuldeep is still active in white ball cricket

KL is our WK

Rishab got kicked out because of his failures 

 

What are you on about ??? 

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1 hour ago, Rasgulla said:

Umesh still plays tests

Not as 1st choice, he is last among 5 pacer. 

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Kuldeep is still active in white ball cricket

Deserving . He warms bench now and u said he is a starter in XI

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KL is our WK

Who was mishandled for almost 2-3 yrs and earned his place back.

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Rishab got kicked out because of his failures 

Most fail at start, captains job to handle them.

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What are you on about ??? 

Im on logic

Name one of them who didnt deserve a national cap. 

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11 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Not as 1st choice, he is last among 5 pacer. 

You want him to play ahead of Bumrah, Shami and Ishant ?  He is not better than them but still he plays most of Indian home games.

 

12 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Deserving . He warms bench now and u said he is a starter in XI

It's his fault for not performing in imp games and lost his spot to jaddu. Doesn't offer much with batting so don't use the word "Deserving" 

 

12 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Who was mishandled for almost 2-3 yrs and earned his place back

He is part of XI and our WK so this guy earned his place but

 

12 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Most fail at start, captains job to handle them

you got excuses for Kuldeep and pant ? Bhai hypocrite mat ban. 

 

12 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Most fail at start, captains job to handle them

Your excuses are getting funny now.

 

28 - T20I

15 - Odis

13- Tests

 

That's combined total of 56 matches. "New" player. They are not here to baby feed him. He needs to take responsibility. 

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41 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

You want him to play ahead of Bumrah, Shami and Ishant ?  He is not better than them but still he plays most of Indian home games.

he doesnt play ahead of them but he can easily play ahead of bhuvi n ishant in indian conitidons....he is definately better then 2 in indian conditions. His avg is better then bhajji in indian conditions.

 

In indian conditon avg

umesh - 24

Bhuvi-26

Ishant- 31 

 

This is why he plays ahead of bhuvi and ishant at home. He is better then them in India. At times ishant is pref ahead of umesh at home whereas his perfomance isnt same at home

 

Fact check- umesh has never played ahead of bumrah at home, coz bumrah has been mostly injured when comes to series in india or rested

 

again ur the one who claims he starts in XI

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It's his fault for not performing in imp games and lost his spot to jaddu. Doesn't offer much with batting so don't use the word "Deserving" 

so how does he start in XI acc to ur OP

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He is part of XI and our WK so this guy earned his place but

so if he was cornerstone special benefit player how was he treated badly for 2-3 yrs

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you got excuses for Kuldeep and pant ? Bhai hypocrite mat ban. 

 

Your excuses are getting funny now.

 

28 - T20I

15 - Odis

13- Tests

  • in 28 t20 already 2 50s that dhoni had in whole career
  • 15 odi is nothing, greats like yuvi n rohit record till 80-100 ODI was nothing. IF pant avg 26 after 15 odi , dhoni avg 29
  • 13 test has 2 overseas 100 which many can only dream of ....no indian keeper has even 1 in ENG or AUS . After 13 test india best keeper dhoni had avg of 31 , pant has almost 39 

 

so hows it bad ?? someone backed dhoni also

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That's combined total of 56 matches. "New" player. They are not here to baby feed him. He needs to take responsibility. 

done decent in 56 matches at age of 21 .

Responsibilty comes after 4-5 years with most cricketers as it can only come with experience which comes with playing . 

 

 

You decide for urself what point u wanted to make that these guys are in XI coz of cornerstone or these guys are on bench coz they performed badly. IF they have performed badly then how come they are getting special treatment 

 

How can in XI and on bench mean same thing ?Kuch bhi

 

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1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

he doesnt play ahead of them but he can easily play ahead of bhuvi n ishant in indian conitidons....he is definately better then 2 in indian conditions. His avg is better then bhajji in indian conditions.

 

In indian conditon avg

umesh - 24

Bhuvi-26

Ishant- 31 

 

This is why he plays ahead of bhuvi and ishant at home. He is better then them in India. At times ishant is pref ahead of umesh at home whereas his perfomance isnt same at home

 

Umesh was part of home series XI before the NZ  series. Infact he played with Ishant and got hammered by 4.14 ECO against Bangladesh while Ishant was busy taking a 5er. Ishant is more consistent than Umesh. Umesh gets dropped against big teams for his spraying so don't give me that " Indian condition average" BS. 

 

 

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

so how does he start in XI acc to ur OP

He is still an active player. He played in ODI series and T2OI series against NZ

 

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

so if he was cornerstone special benefit player how was he treated badly for 2-3 yrs

Who said he was treated badly ?  Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli are your best Top 3. There is no way he can bat there unless someone is Injured. You need to make up your mind. Either he was treated badly or not part of starting XI as you claimed. Reality is he replaced Pant as #1 WK batsmen. He is part of XI

 

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:
  • in 28 t20 already 2 50s that dhoni had in whole career
  • 15 odi is nothing, greats like yuvi n rohit record till 80-100 ODI was nothing. IF pant avg 26 after 15 odi , dhoni avg 29
  • 13 test has 2 overseas 100 which many can only dream of ....no indian keeper has even 1 in ENG or AUS . After 13 test india best keeper dhoni had avg of 31 , pant has almost 39 

 

so hows it bad ?? someone backed dhoni also

Looks like someone forgotten History of  Dhoni and Yuvi here

 

ODI :

 

Dhoni hammered 148 against Pakistan in his 5th ever match for Team India in 2005. After that special knock there was no questions about his spot. World knows what he is capable off. He went on to score 183* in the same year against Sri lanka chasing 300+ back in those days(2005). He was untouchable at that point. 

 

Yuvi scored 84 runs in first ever match itself.  

 

So you claiming they were nothing till 80-100 ODI's is Total BS. They had so many impactful innings at the start of their career.

 

Where as Pant in ODI goes he has 1 50 in 16 innings. That's awful and he was heavily backed like no one was. In modern game no one would survive with 1 50 in 16 innings. Even that was a against a weak WI side. He was given way too many chances. It's kind of disrespectful to Dhoni and Yuvi to be compared with this guy. Maybe IYER would be right comparison to pant. 

 

Even IYER is way superior to this dude. Has 49 average in just 16 innings. Something Pant can only dream :phehe:

 

T20I:

 

Dhoni  was Captain in his 2nd ever T2OI and Yuvi scored 6 6s in his 5th T20I match itself. They are T20 WC winners and had many impactful innings at the start of the career. It would be a joke to even compare them to hype boy. 

 

Rohit was put in to bat in the middle of the WC Tournament and in his first ever innings itself man scored a 50*(40) against RSA in 2007 WC along with 45(33) from Dhoni on other end. 

 

This dude on other hand is a Total joke in T2OI's so far and it's supposed to be his best format. 

 

Tests

 

Maybe his spot here in questionable but Saha is a superior keeper than him.  TBH Tests is very debatable but he has his chances in other 2 formats so there should be no questions there. 

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

done decent in 56 matches at age of 21 .

Responsibilty comes after 4-5 years with most cricketers as it can only come with experience which comes with playing . 

He was average in those 56 games.  4-5 years ? Might want to check IYER ODI stats first. Even he will leave pant far behind. He played 16 ODIs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Rasgulla said:

Umesh was part of home series XI before the NZ  series. Infact he played with Ishant and got hammered by 4.14 ECO against Bangladesh while Ishant was busy taking a 5er. Ishant is more consistent than Umesh. Umesh gets dropped against big teams for his spraying so don't give me that " Indian condition average" BS. 

Avg 

Umesh - 24

ishant - 31

 

Massive diff

 

Eco

umesh- 3.21

Ishant - 2.91

 

Not much 

 

yea right ishant is a better bowler at home:p:

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1 hour ago, Rasgulla said:

Who said he was treated badly ?  Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli are your best Top 3. There is no way he can bat there unless someone is Injured. You need to make up your mind. Either he was treated badly or not part of starting XI as you claimed. Reality is he replaced Pant as #1 WK batsmen. He is part of XI

We have threads on how badly Rahul was treated

Rahul cud always have batted at 4 but wasnt made, when dhawan or rohit injured even rahane got pref at times 

Dhawan is **** in t20 but always made to play ahead of Rahul 

 

He replaced pant coz of concussion issue and then we know how fickle kohli is. Also Rahul batting at 5 means they need someone at 6 who can roll his arm which left no place for pant

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1 hour ago, Rasgulla said:

Dhoni hammered 148 against Pakistan in his 5th ever match for Team India in 2005. After that special knock there was no questions about his spot. World knows what he is capable off. He went on to score 183* in the same year against Sri lanka chasing 300+ back in those days(2005). He was untouchable at that point. 

yet avg 29 after a big hundred show even he had his inconsistency 

 

183 came after 22 odi 

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1 hour ago, Rasgulla said:

Yuvi scored 84 runs in first ever match itself.  

 

So you claiming they were nothing till 80-100 ODI's is Total BS. They had so many impactful innings at the start of their career.

 

just one innings doesnt mean that he was consistent and responsible 

here is a fact check

Pant after 15 odi- 26 avg

 

Yuvi after 15 odi - 20 avg (yea thats how inconsitent he was)

after 50 odi - 28avg 

After 75 odi - 31 avg

after 100 odi - 30 avg

after 120 odi- 29 avg

 

so till 30 odi his avg was just 30 , inconsistency at its best 

 

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1 hour ago, Rasgulla said:

Dhoni  was Captain in his 2nd ever T2OI and Yuvi scored 6 6s in his 5th T20I match itself. They are T20 WC winners and had many impactful innings at the start of the career. It would be a joke to even compare them to hype boy. 

who is talking about captaincy he was a **** t20 player

 

1 hour ago, Rasgulla said:

Rohit was put in to bat in the middle of the WC Tournament and in his first ever innings itself man scored a 50*(40) against RSA in 2007 WC along with 45(33) from Dhoni on other end. 

after that even he struggled to keep his place coz of his inconsistencies....

 

1 hour ago, Rasgulla said:

He was average in those 56 games.  4-5 years ? Might want to check IYER ODI stats first. Even he will leave pant far behind. He played 16 ODIs.

no he want, im sure about that 

well kaif had better numbers then yuvi for long but we all knw who ended where

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On 7/6/2020 at 5:20 AM, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Umesh yadav not a sure starter in XI

Kuldeep hasnt been treated well and has lost his form so also not a sureshot in XI

KL has been mishandled by kohli 

Rishabh pant again is being mishandled currently 

 

Dont tell me these u wanna say that these cricketers are there coz of just cornerstone 

The point is, a player cant be part of any sports management group in any form. I remember even Kumble had the same issue once. 

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On 7/7/2020 at 12:07 AM, Ankit_sharma03 said:

who is talking about captaincy he was a **** t20 player

 

after that even he struggled to keep his place coz of his inconsistencies....

 

no he want, im sure about that 

well kaif had better numbers then yuvi for long but we all knw who ended where

1. Conflict of interest issue can't be raised after there is too obvious favor. It has to raised before that.

2. Players performances don't matter here while talking about conflict of interest. Can't defend on basis of numbers and records.

 

A person who is position to make/influence decisions and also has gains associated with players through some other organization - that should be unacceptable no matter what.

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