Muloghonto Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 5 hours ago, Malcolm Merlyn said: Hang the latest ISI spy we allgedly got. Why ? what good is a dead ISI spy to us ? Let him rot in jail with periodic 're-education' bouts. Eventually he will tell us something useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surajmal Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 I would love to see news of ex Pakistani military guys "missing" from Dubai, Nepal, thailand etc. First, recall the ambassador, expel theirs. Infact, this is a good time to shut off ties completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Why ? what good is a dead ISI spy to us ? Let him rot in jail with periodic 're-education' bouts. Eventually he will tell us something useful. They sing and then they become useless.Hang them then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Malcolm Merlyn said: They sing and then they become useless.Hang them then. Yeah, but some take years to 'sing'. Can't beat out the info from them - we just have to be patient and wait with a clear-cut 'carrot and stick' policy for info. Because research proves that when you try to 'beat out the info', victims tend to try and figure out what is it you wanna hear and make up stuff to fit what you wanna hear, just to get beatings to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surajmal Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) Cant let intelligence guys hang out to dry. Screws up future recruiting. Why do you think RAW is in such a decrepit state? That mfer Gujral handed off a list to Pakistanis as a goodwill gesture and nuked the entire intelligence setup as a consequence. Edited April 10, 2017 by surajmal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, surajmal said: Cant let intelligence guys hang out to dry. Screws up future recruiting. Why do you think RAW is in such a decrepit state? That mfer Gujral handed off a list to Pakistanis as a goodwill gesture and nuked the entire intelligence setup as a consequence. How is that not treason ?! Can't do 1 for 1 trade either with an adversary that has way less money and manpower than us. Coz some of our operatives will get caught and some of theirs will. We are not using the demographic and financial advantage if we go like for like. Edited April 10, 2017 by Muloghonto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jalebi_bhai Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 26 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Yeah, but some take years to 'sing'. Narco analysis? He's Pakistani after all. Will squeal under enough duress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jalebi_bhai Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 38 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Surgical strike can be done via missiles As much fun as it sounds, it would be considered an act of war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Just now, jalebi_bhai said: As much fun as it sounds, it would be considered an act of war. Yep. But then again, if we leave undeniable proof of surgical strike or they find proof (e.g. capture a jawan or helicopter crashes), it'd also be an act of war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jalebi_bhai Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Muloghonto said: Yep. But then again, if we leave undeniable proof of surgical strike or they find proof (e.g. capture a jawan or helicopter crashes), it'd also be an act of war. Don't expect escalation with Pak. This summer is clean-up time in Kashmir valley (ISIS infestation). If we sort these chaps out, it will mostly be a winter war to checkmate the Chinese artillery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 35 minutes ago, jalebi_bhai said: Don't expect escalation with Pak. This summer is clean-up time in Kashmir valley (ISIS infestation). If we sort these chaps out, it will mostly be a winter war to checkmate the Chinese artillery. Err..i expect escalation with PAK...not right now, but sometime in the intermediate 5-7 years future. India needs to create conditions in international forum and on the ground such that next time they commit an act of war against us, we finish the problem once and for all. jalebi_bhai 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haarkarjeetgaye Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Has India accepted he is an Indian spy and was working in Balochistan. That in itself is a dampener for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 10 hours ago, Sajid_Rana said: You do the crime you do the time. Hang the convicted criminal in public. And when is Dawood Ibrahim, Hafeez Saeed, Lakhvi, Masood Azhar going to be hanged? @Asim @KeyboardWarrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jalebi_bhai Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 6 hours ago, Muloghonto said: Err..i expect escalation with PAK...not right now, but sometime in the intermediate 5-7 years future. India needs to create conditions in international forum and on the ground such that next time they commit an act of war against us, we finish the problem once and for all. I agree. 5-7 years for the next big geo-political shift in the Indian sub-cobtinent. I think you're suggestion is being implemented by the govt. Muloghonto 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) Where are the peaceniks, jeetLoDil, fighting for Fawad Khan types? Aman ki aasha Edited April 11, 2017 by coffee_rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Has India accepted he is an Indian spy and was working in Balochistan. That in itself is a dampener for us. He was kidnapped from Iran and sold to Pakistani. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 And when is Dawood Ibrahim, Hafeez Saeed, Lakhvi, Masood Azhar going to be hanged? @Asim @KeyboardWarrior These terrorists wont be tried in military courts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surajmal Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) Packees keep making the mistake that it is business as usual and Modi/Doval are typical coward "baniya" hindus that they portray us as in their textbooks. Edited April 11, 2017 by surajmal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted April 11, 2017 Author Share Posted April 11, 2017 Modi made a huge blunder by beating his chest over Balochistan in front of camera and on Independence Day from Red Fort. I know many of his die hard fans were jizzing their pants over his bravado but in hindsight it looks ill thought. Not only have Baloch rebels in Pak faced severe backlash over their alleged India links but the international community will assume India is interfering in their internal matter. We have lost a lot of clout and goodwill because of the stupidity of Modi-Doval duo. Even here Kulbhushan's case is more difficult to salvage for us because of our PM's statements regarding Balochistan. Some things should be done quietly, in the background so that enemy is always confused regarding source of attacks. USSR and USA did a lot of things(assassinations, kidnappings, regime changes etc) in Cold War era but did they ever announce every external intervention of theirs. No, they all kept it hush like sensible nations should do. Pak has sponsored so many terrorist activities on our soil but have they ever accepted their role? Except in Sharm al Shaikh MMS always maintained a stoic silence over Pak's allegations w.r.t Balochistan, even Congress was more tactful than the present regime . Training of Mukti Bahini, LTTE rebels etc were done by us but in a discreet manner. Our intelligence should be allowed to function without drawing attention. That is the way it has always been for us. But it is clear as daylight to me that Modi wants to convert everything into a vote catching gimmick. He doesn't seem to care about these things, only public image is of prime importance for him. Balochistan, PoK, Surgical Strikes were all used to garner votes by him. He should never have used Indian intelligence and our brave Army for his political gains. Haarkarjeetgaye 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 14 minutes ago, Gollum said: Modi made a huge blunder by beating his chest over Balochistan in front of camera and on Independence Day from Red Fort. I know many of his die hard fans were jizzing their pants over his bravado but in hindsight it looks ill thought. Not only have Baloch rebels in Pak faced severe backlash over their alleged India links but the international community will assume India is interfering in their internal matter. We have lost a lot of clout and goodwill because of the stupidity of Modi-Doval duo. Even here Kulbhushan's case is more difficult to salvage for us because of our PM's statements regarding Balochistan. Some things should be done quietly, in the background so that enemy is always confused regarding source of attacks. USSR and USA did a lot of things(assassinations, kidnappings, regime changes etc) in Cold War era but did they ever announce every external intervention of theirs. No, they all kept it hush like sensible nations should do. Pak has sponsored so many terrorist activities on our soil but have they ever accepted their role? Except in Sharm al Shaikh MMS always maintained a stoic silence over Pak's allegations w.r.t Balochistan, even Congress was more tactful than the present regime . Training of Mukti Bahini, LTTE rebels etc were done by us but in a discreet manner. Our intelligence should be allowed to function without drawing attention. That is the way it has always been for us. But it is clear as daylight to me that Modi wants to convert everything into a vote catching gimmick. He doesn't seem to care about these things, only public image is of prime importance for him. Balochistan, PoK, Surgical Strikes were all used to garner votes by him. He should never have used Indian intelligence and our brave Army for his political gains. Covert support for separatists can be given in democracies and it works. But when the separatists are operating inside a totalitarian state, they need one of two things : a) their 'buddy' will 'covertly' invade and be actually powerful and willing enough to 'shelter them while denying the whole thing'. Ie, like China before China officially entered the Korean war. Or China in Vietnam war. b) their buddy will provide international diplomatic legitimacy to them by declaring the seperatist cause to be righteous. If these two conditions are unavailable, then separatism in a totalitarian state will not work. Because by definition, the totalitarian state will impose a media ban, go conduct genocide and carpet-bomb the separatists. In democracies you cannot off so many people without due process or creating a near rebellion at your hands. Which is why in democracies we have separatists getting covert support - like separatism in India (China, Pakistan) or Scotland (Russia), while when its opposite, the allies of the separatists mostly go for option b) and provide diplomatic hullabaloo to try and intimidate the totalitarian state to not engage in full scale genocide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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