Do folks finally see why Umesh Yadav should not play shorter formats?!

[Rasgulla]

17 minutes ago, Shunya said:

Damn lot of Umesh fans here(Phasst brigade). Poor UG got mobbed. 

I do agree he is very good test bowler as compared to LOIs. However, he should be kept in the mix of things for a while. I am sure all these bowlers are going to go for runs here and there and it would be wise to rotate out fast bowlers. All 4 of them will get enough chances in next 2 yrs to prove themselves. However, as of now in semis in final I would go with same combo as SA match.

 

That's what they do against everyone who doesn't agree with their agenda... Gang attack LOL 

 

That's what they did over years

[Ultimate_Game]

39 minutes ago, express bowling said:

No...Umesh went for 6.9 runs per over in the last match....on a pitch where all the 3 specialist Lankan seamers, including Malinga, went at 7 to 7.3 runs per over.

Let me ask you this question... do you honestly believe Umesh's career ER in odis is acceptable? And does it support Umesh's selection in shorter formats, especially odis?

[Ultimate_Game]

51 minutes ago, Shunya said:

Damn lot of Umesh fans here(Phasst brigade). Poor UG got mobbed. 

I do agree he is very good test bowler as compared to LOIs. However, he should be kept in the mix of things for a while. I am sure all these bowlers are going to go for runs here and there and it would be wise to rotate out fast bowlers. All 4 of them will get enough chances in next 2 yrs to prove themselves. However, as of now in semis in final I would go with same combo as SA match.

 

Don't really care about being mobbed TBH  I follow cricket and have my opinions based on the same. Rahane, Pujara, Murali Vijay and Umesh not being cut out for Tests are some of them.

 

I can't figure out why's someone a hater for stating the obvious, i.e. a player is not cut out for a particular format  I would have both Rahane and Umesh one of the first 3 names on the team sheet, right after Kohli. But does that mean they should be picked for shorter formats? My answer - No. Umesh is good in Tests and sucks in shorter formats. We've seen it for a while now and it's time our selectors move past both Umesh and Rahane in shorter formats.

[Mosher]

Nobody here is saying he is a great ODI bowler. Yes he is expensive but check out his SR too. He is a wicket taker and should bowl at the start and the middle overs and not at the death where he is poor. He can be a replacement for Shami if he is not fit. Umesh was our most economical bowler vs Pak and took 3 wickets. But no just one bad game and knives are out. Yeah keep the hate going.

[sscomp32]

14 hours ago, speedheat said:

Stupidity and brainlessness is full in display along with some blind hatred...pathetic thread

How Ironic. This is coming from someone like you  

Maybe you have to be a blind hater to know one.  

 

Although i don't agree with the topic. He can if not bowled in death but he doesn't deserve it over ash and shami. 

[express bowling]

10 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

Let me ask you this question... do you honestly believe Umesh's career ER in odis is acceptable? And does it support Umesh's selection in shorter formats, especially odis?

Career stats are not that relevant for players who have either improved or deteriorated sharply in the recent past.

 

Umesh has improved his accuracy in the last 1 year and that is the relevant period. In this period, he has 12 wickets from 8 matches .....which showcases his wicket taking ability.....and an ER of 6....which is acceptable these days where we have frequent 330+  scores.

 

I would take Umesh in the ODI team ONLY if there are 3 specialist pacers and the other 2 are capable of bowling the slog overs.

 

His plus is that he is a wicket taker and his minus is that he can't bowl at the end. 

 

Decisions have to be taken based on the above facts.

 

Edited June 12, 2017 by express bowling

[BeautifulGame]

Umesh new balls skill is not good enough for a quality odi bowler .Just see the control with how Bhuvi and Bumrah bowled today with new ball.No offensive but I simply can't see Umesh replicating that sort of control .

 

Umesh doesn't have the skills to bowl in the death either.His career Econ is simply awful. He has the 3rd worst economy in odi history (of anyone with 50wkts ) .It's staggeringly awful .

 

But he has serious pace and a quality bouncer at times .So can be used as a strike bowler in 4 man attack .Bowl as first change and in middle overs and as back up for Shami.

 

Personally I wouldn't pick him for ODIs outside Australia where his pace will be impactful .

 

We are better of looking for young seam bowlers once his tournament is over.

 

But whatever it is Umesh Yadav should never ever be picked over Shami .Thats a complete joke.

[Ultimate_Game]

6 hours ago, express bowling said:

Career stats are not that relevant for players who have either improved or deteriorated sharply in the recent past.

 

Umesh has improved his accuracy in the last 1 year and that is the relevant period. In this period, he has 12 wickets from 8 matches .....which showcases his wicket taking ability.....and an ER of 6....which is acceptable these days where we have frequent 330+  scores.

 

I would take Umesh in the ODI team ONLY if there are 3 specialist pacers and the other 2 are capable of bowling the slog overs.

 

His plus is that he is a wicket taker and his minus is that he can't bowl at the end. 

 

Decisions have to be taken based on the above facts.

 

Umesh has improved but mostly in Tests. In shorter formats there are way too many limitations for him to play. He's a risk as he can be taken for runs in PP overs and can't be bowled at the death. That leaves Umesh available only for middle overs. Do we really want to have a specialist fast bowler who has so many constraints and can only be used as 1st change? That role should be played by an all-rounder and you expect a lot more from a specialist bowler.

 

We have a pretty decent pool of pace bowlers and I would back someone else rather than go with someone who has struggled in shorter formats. This is similar to making Rahane play in shorter formats when there are other and better options available.

[BeautifulGame]

6 hours ago, express bowling said:

Career stats are not that relevant for players who have either improved or deteriorated sharply in the recent past.

 

Umesh has improved his accuracy in the last 1 year and that is the relevant period. In this period, he has 12 wickets from 8 matches .....which showcases his wicket taking ability.....and an ER of 6....which is acceptable these days where we have frequent 330+  scores.

 

I would take Umesh in the ODI team ONLY if there are 3 specialist pacers and the other 2 are capable of bowling the slog overs.

 

His plus is that he is a wicket taker and his minus is that he can't bowl at the end. 

 

Decisions have to be taken based on the above facts.

 

5 of those 8 matches were in the Newzealand series .Wasn't it ?

 

That series wasn't played on wickets where 330+ was par.

 

More like 250 was par on those wickets .So that is not accurate reflection.

[express bowling]

21 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

Umesh has improved but mostly in Tests. In shorter formats there are way too many limitations for him to play. He's a risk as he can be taken for runs in PP overs and can't be bowled at the death. That leaves Umesh available only for middle overs. Do we really want to have a specialist fast bowler who has so many constraints and can only be used as 1st change? That role should be played by an all-rounder and you expect a lot more from a specialist bowler.

 

We have a pretty decent pool of pace bowlers and I would back someone else rather than go with someone who has struggled in shorter formats. This is similar to making Rahane play in shorter formats when there are other and better options available.

 

Umesh is used as an opening bowler in ODIs and has done quite well in the first 10 overs in ODIs in the last 1 year.  He is a wicket taker from overs 1 to 40.

 

New pacers, as and when they become ready, will be tried in ODIs.

Edited June 13, 2017 by express bowling

[Ultimate_Game]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Umesh is used as an opening bowler in ODIs and has done quite well in the first 10 overs in ODIs in the last 1 year.  He is a wicket taker from overs 1 to 40.

 

New pacers, as and when they become ready, will be tried in ODIs.

This is a very similar argument to what is proffered for continuing with Rahane in shorter formats. If you don't play others, how are you going to find out. We've hit the ceiling with Umesh and he simply isn't good enough on a consistent basis. He leaks way too many runs and it's time to play him only in Tests.

[express bowling]

33 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

This is a very similar argument to what is proffered for continuing with Rahane in shorter formats. If you don't play others, how are you going to find out. We've hit the ceiling with Umesh and he simply isn't good enough on a consistent basis. He leaks way too many runs and it's time to play him only in Tests.

Time to try new pacers is in the series against WI...let's see whether the selectors take that path.

 

Umesh is a wicket taker in ODIs and if you think he would not be in the scheme of things.... it is wishful thinking on your part...won't happen. 

Edited June 13, 2017 by express bowling

[Ultimate_Game]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

Time to try new pacers is in series against WI...let's see whether the selectors take that path.

 

Umesh is a wicket taker in ODIs and if you think he would not be in the scheme of things.... it is wishful thinking on your part...won't happen. 

He's the weakest link in the chain at the moment. The shorter format games have moved on and now teams attack bowlers relentlessly be it T20 or odis. Umesh has a tendency to lose it when hit around and leaks too many boundaries. He's another version of Riaz in shorter formats and should be saved for Tests.

 

Yes, any bowler can be hit around on a given day. There's no guarantee Bhuvi & Bumrah won't but with Umesh it happens quite often and that's a concern. If we play him against B'desh Tamim will attack him. Against England, every Eng batsman will go after him and if we face Pak, Fakhar Zaman will attack him if Pak has learned anything. And Umesh risks being taken to cleaners. At least Ashwin and to a lesser extent Shami have the control and have shown they can come back when batsmen go after them.