Kapil Dev's stint as coach in 1999-2000

[Vilander]

1 minute ago, putrevus said:

if Srinath was unable to do that and constantly beating the bat , anyone would advise to slow down and pitch ball further up.

yeah any one who advises to focus on line and length per pitch is correct, but anyone who advises to slow down is wrong. Basically, its very simple.

 

line and length - ok

slow down - not ok.

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 

 Javagal Srinath, who bowled a similar length as Ishant throughout his career. With his body and the momentum he generated through his run-up, Srinath should have taken a lot of wickets, but he did not pitch the ball up. Venkatesh Prasad, with limited ability, pitched it up and did well.

Easy to say 

 

• humari fielding mashallah thi
• he bowled on indian wkts a lot , where spinners use to take the cake. Had he been a eng, SA or Aus player his stats wud have been better.
• Also who was their to maintain pressure from other end. Bowlers hunt in pair 
• Wasim waqar had a good mentor in Imran , Kapil wasnt of gr8 help to srinath 

[putrevus]

1 minute ago, Vilander said:

yeah any one who advises to focus on line and length per pitch is correct, but anyone who advises to slow down is wrong. Basically, its very simple.

 

line and length - ok

slow down - not ok.

When you are not able to do the first part properly and are able to do first part only when you do second part then it is okay for to give that advice.Scatter guns don't get wickets nor do they last long in team.

[Vilander]

Just now, putrevus said:

When you are not able to do the first part properly and are able to do first part only when you do second part then it is okay for to give that advice.Scatter guns don't get wickets nor do they last long in team.

nope. asking a bowler to slow down is not good advice, a bowler has to get his line and length correct no matter what and in the process if he delivers a ball slower its his choice - but a coach can not advice a bowler to bowl deliberately slower. 

 

Kapil did a mistake here.

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Easy to say 

 

• humari fielding mashallah thi
• he bowled on indian wkts a lot , where spinners use to take the cake. Had he been a eng, SA or Aus player his stats wud have been better.
• Also who was their to maintain pressure from other end. Bowlers hunt in pair 
• Wasim waqar had a good mentor in Imran , Kapil wasnt of gr8 help to srinath 

Indian fielding was lot better than Pakistan fielding and he rarely played in India  till 1994.His stats are better at home than away.

 

Venky was doing fine as his partner. Srinath like Ishant never had ability to pitch further up especially for first part of his career.

 

It is easy to blame others too.

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, Vilander said:

nope. asking a bowler to slow down is not good advice, a bowler has to get his line and length correct no matter what and in the process if he delivers a ball slower its his choice - but a coach can not advice a bowler to bowl deliberately slower. 

 

Kapil did a mistake here.

I don't think so, If I were Kapil I would advice Srinath to do the same.Slow down.

[Vilander]

6 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I don't think so, If I were Kapil I would advice Srinath to do the same.Slow down.

cant comment on what you would do etc. Dont care much.

 

But Kapil was wrong, when he asked Srinath to slowdown. I agree to disagree with you.

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

41 minutes ago, Vilander said:

its perfect to advice focus on line and length not perfect to advice a slow down.

chaminda vaas slowed down and was not even half the bowler as he use to be 

[Ankit_sharma03]

20 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 

It is easy to blame others too.

not really if they deserve it they shud get the blame 

[putrevus]

7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

not really if they deserve it they shud get the blame 

So Srinath get no blame and kapil gets blame wonderful.

[putrevus]

19 minutes ago, Vilander said:

cant comment on what you would do etc. Dont care much.

 

But Kapil was wrong, when he asked Srinath to slowdown. I agree to disagree with you.

 

 

Don't care much if you think Kapil was wrong, Kapil was spot on and right.

[Ankit_sharma03]

43 minutes ago, putrevus said:

So Srinath get no blame and kapil gets blame wonderful.

What is srinath getting blamed for. Yes one thing he lacked for a bit of aggresive attitude n showoff which is needed for fast bowler but other then that he was a terrific n very underrated bowler 

 

About kapil

as a senior its ur job to help youngsters

why do u think pakistani players go gaga over imran . Why most indian batsman sing praises to tendulkar for helping them . Srinath himself as senior helped young Zak n nehra. 

As a senior its ur job to help junior and thats how a culture develops. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

 

What happened to Irfan Pathan is a great example how Wasim Akram's advice of crooked-thumb grip ruined his bowling.  Wasim could bowl with crooked-thumb grip because he was stronger and had natural pace and could still have accuracy. Irfan could not do that.  He lost pace with that grip and by then he realized it, it was too late for him.  

dnt think so Wasim advised him that, wasim in most interviews has said he had that grip but he doesnt tell someone to copy it unless they are comfortable with it . 

Irfan problem was injuries and fiddling to much with action, also taking advice from to many ppl is not helpful at times. and look at his action in later year ....he was not putting it all in his run up or pivot which showed he didnt have enough fitness 

 

MAny other indian bowlers , infact bowlers around the world took help from akram no one changed their grip 

[Rightarmfast]

5 hours ago, rtmohanlal said:

who  better than Kapil to give advice w.r.t how to bowl in AUS?????? Kapil was a monster in AUS. So having known the amount of  natural  bounce in AUS pitches , it is only sensible that Kapil advised that way.

Somebody's meat can be others poison. Both Srinath and Kapil were entirely different kind of bowlers. If Kapil was such a great coach, why was that particular tour to Australia such a disaster? 

The truth is, Kapil has always been a bitter and a jealous man. I wouldnt be surprised if he advised him to slow down just because he couldnt see a bowler faster than him. In any event, the performance of the team was pathetic. And that goes to show that Kapil did not know how to read the situation, understand people and strategize. He was a complete failure as a coach.

[sriniwu]

16 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

dnt think so Wasim advised him that, wasim in most interviews has said he had that grip but he doesnt tell someone to copy it unless they are comfortable with it . 

Irfan problem was injuries and fiddling to much with action, also taking advice from to many ppl is not helpful at times. and look at his action in later year ....he was not putting it all in his run up or pivot which showed he didnt have enough fitness 

 

MAny other indian bowlers , infact bowlers around the world took help from akram no one changed their grip 

imo, irfans' problem was also that he started believing the myths of him being the next "Kapil Dev" and tried a tad too hard to work on his batting whilst neglecting his strong suite(bowling).. quickly he discovered that once form deserted him, he was no longer the "blue-eyed boy" of indian cricket (except of course for the cricinfo comments section)

Edited June 21, 2018 by sriniwu

[Ankit_sharma03]

17 minutes ago, sriniwu said:

imo, irfans' problem was also that he started believing the myths of him being the next "Kapil Dev" and tried a tad too hard to work on his batting whilst neglecting his strong suite(bowling).. quickly he discovered that once form deserted him, he was no longer the "blue-eyed boy" of indian cricket (except of course for the cricinfo comments section)

he had the talent in batting , infact a very good one. Nothing wrong in improving as it only helped his team

 

[rtmohanlal]

19 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Somebody's meat can be others poison. Both Srinath and Kapil were entirely different kind of bowlers. If Kapil was such a great coach, why was that particular tour to Australia such a disaster? 

The truth is, Kapil has always been a bitter and a jealous man. I wouldnt be surprised if he advised him to slow down just because he couldnt see a bowler faster than him. In any event, the performance of the team was pathetic. And that goes to show that Kapil did not know how to read the situation, understand people and strategize. He was a complete failure as a coach.

a coach how ever great a player he used to be, can only work on the team given to him. that tour was a disaster because of a  mediocre team coming against an  ATG team.Apart from Sachin who avg:ed 46+, no body avg:ed even 40.What has Kapil to do with it.??? Was Kapil supposed to teach Dravid,Ganguly,Laxman,Siddhu,MSK Prasad,Kanitkar,Devang Gandhi  etc etc about technical aspects of batting??And as if the likes of Agarkar, V.Prasad etc etc turned out to be ATG bowlers under the coaching of other coaches....

Keep in mind mediocrity would blossom only to that much, however great a coach coaches them.

 

And your accusations about personnel characteristics of Kapil..... nothing to say.