Renshaw dropped - one of the worst selection calls by CA recently?

[Cricketics]

52 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Captain has no say in selection in Australia.

How do you know, none of us will ever know but one thing is true that in every selection selectors most likely will always consult with captain a bit, and they must do that ofherwise its stupid to pick a player who won’t be used well by the captain. 

 

Smith had his say in NSW selection too where he admitted that he was the reason behing the dropping of Ed Cowan, so there is every reason for him to have his say on the selection for Ashes.  

 

He picked Davey for Cowan because he wants Davey to play for Australia soon and soon after Davey score some runs, he will get a chance to play for Australia on the recommendation of Smith. 

[rkt.india]

22 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

How do you know, none of us will ever know but one thing is true that in every selection selectors most likely will always consult with captain a bit, and they must do that ofherwise its stupid to pick a player who won’t be used well by the captain. 

 

Smith had his say in NSW selection too where he admitted that he was the reason behing the dropping of Ed Cowan, so there is every reason for him to have his say on the selection for Ashes.  

 

He picked Davey for Cowan because he wants Davey to play for Australia soon and soon after Davey score some runs, he will get a chance to play for Australia on the recommendation of Smith. 

Ponting, Clark have complained about it publicly before. Check recent Cricinfo article about. Captain and coach have no vote in selection. Consult doesn't matter much. State and national team selection are two different things. 

Edited November 18, 2017 by rkt.india

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11 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Ponting, Clark have complained about it publicly before. Check recent Cricinfo article about. Captain and coach have no vote in selection. Consult doesn't matter much. State and national team selection are two different things. 

Most of the ex crickters are complaining for last year or so that Smith is picking his mates.

So, captain might not be a direct decision maker but indirectly he is making them same is the case with India too.

[Cricketics]

21 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Ponting, Clark have complained about it publicly before. Check recent Cricinfo article about. Captain and coach have no vote in selection. Consult doesn't matter much. State and national team selection are two different things. 

Complains are going on because things are happening and players are being picked because of captain’s opinion and not because of just simple consultation. Also a consultation would pretty much convince selector to pick a player who has been referred as they want to keep the captain happy. 

[rkt.india]

8 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Complains are going on because things are happening and players are being picked because of captain’s opinion and not because of just simple consultation. Also a consultation would pretty much convince selector to pick a player who has been referred as they want to keep the captain happy. 

you need to read the cricinfo article

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/21417571/australia-ashes-selectors-scrutiny

 

Quote

 Pre-Argus, Ricky Ponting had often complained that as captain but merely a consultant on selection he had "leadership but no ownership". But that decision was rescinded two years into Michael Clarke's tenure, after which he made complaints similar to Ponting's.

 

[Cricketics]

9 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

you need to read the cricinfo article

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/21417571/australia-ashes-selectors-scrutiny

 

 

Reading that doesn’t really make any difference. Like Punter mentiond leadership but not ownership, the decisions to sit back and get your message across to the selectors is already done. Smith here has pretty much given his ideas what he wants and whom he wants to sit out for the first two tests. Now he might not be in the room when the team is picked is for sure but his message/ideas are actually already transitioned into the final squad to ensure the 15 is chosen as per the captain’s suggestions.

 

Now whichever way you want to take it, its onto you. Whether you want to say he just merely consulted with them and had nothing to do in his selection i/ how you you perceive it. I see it differently. Kaan bhardiye and kaam karwa liya.

[rkt.india]

7 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Reading that doesn’t really make any difference. Like Punter mentiond leadership but not ownership, the decisions to sit back and get your message across to the selectors is already done. Smith here has pretty much given his ideas what he wants and whom he wants to sit out for the first two tests. Now he might not be in the room when the team is picked is for sure but his message/ideas are actually already transitioned into the final squad to ensure the 15 is chosen as per the captain’s suggestions.

 

Now whichever way you want to take it, its onto you. Whether you want to say he just merely consulted with them and had nothing to do in his selection i/ how you you perceive it. I see it differently. Kaan bhardiye and kaam karwa liya.

you did not even understand what Ponting meant with what he said.  He meant he has no ownership because he is not part of selection process.  He is only leading a team given to him by the selectors.

[Cricketics]

12 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

you did not even understand what Ponting meant with what he said.  He meant he has no ownership because he is not part of selection process.  He is only leading a team given to him by the selectors.

Like I said, I read the fine print and understand that these captains have different situations. In current situation, it has nothing to do with captaining not having any say.

 

Every series require different things and culture eunder every management changes.  Smith here is clearly prt of a differen group of folks leading the management who are ready to listen. He has been vocal about it with his state side’s coach and he got what he wanted then. Like Cowan mentioned, it’s Smith’s Australian team and he will pick about whom he feels he can play in the x1. He played the role in not selecting Renshaw.  

[Pollack]

Good selections overall with whatever they had. Made the right moves. Bancroft better than Rainsaw. Paine, lol they can't do much about it. Wade and Nevill are worst.

[rkt.india]

8 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Like I said, I read the fine print and understand that these captains have different situations. In current situation, it has nothing to do with captaining not having any say.

 

Every series require different things and culture eunder every management changes.  Smith here is clearly prt of a differen group of folks leading the management who are ready to listen. He has been vocal about it with his state side’s coach and he got what he wanted then. Like Cowan mentioned, it’s Smith’s Australian team and he will pick about whom he feels he can play in the x1. He played the role in not selecting Renshaw.  

it is still the same situation.  Nothing has changed since then.  It is not like Smith is a bigger player than those two.

[Cricketics]

5 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

it is still the same situation.  Nothing has changed since then.  It is not like Smith is a bigger player than those two.

What situation? Players in the past have had influence too. Simon Katich was also dropped and Michael Clarke was considered as the person behind his dropping. 

 

Its not about bigger player, its about seeing things what Smith is doing currently. Making foolish decisions like dropping highest Shield run getter Cowan dropped from

the state side. This shows that players have been regularly been vocal and even considered by selector when it comes to selection. 

[prudent_kreeda]

10 hours ago, gattaca said:

If someone is not in form why would you select for a tough series ? They are already down on confidence and you throw them for tough series it will be even tough on them.

  Absolutely right . Form at the moment should be the first priority. Whats the point playing someone who is struggling unless he is some one in great category who may turn it on at any time like Lara .

[Straight Drive]

Selectors have said they have dropped him for being in bad patch. Cameron Bancroft has been superb this year in domestic matches. 

[Cricket Crazy]

His recent form is quite poor. Not sure about Shaun Marsh though. He does well in Shield games but inconsistent in Tests.

[Jamadagni]

On 11/18/2017 at 2:43 AM, sandeep said:

I'm actually bit disappointed that he's not picked - expected him to be exposed for the big fake hype that he is.   Fat Renshaw gets graded on a curve because of his age - he actually didn't do that great in the India series.   From his dismissal in the 2nd innings at Bangalore, I was never worried about his wicket while watching the rest of the series.  Sure he managed a decent-ish innings on the dead track at Ranchi after that, but got sorted out by our Pacers pretty handily.   

 

Renshaw and Cook doing badly this Ashes were my 2 big predictions months ahead of the ashes.   Now one's out already, lets see how old 'Chef' does.   

Spot on. Posters here all all acting as if he is the second coming of Gavaskar. He looked out of sorts against Indian quicks throughout the series. He would have been badly exposed by Broad/Woakes. 

[Cricketics]

19 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

Spot on. Posters here all all acting as if he is the second coming of Gavaskar. He looked out of sorts against Indian quicks throughout the series. He would have been badly exposed by Broad/Woakes. 

He isn’t great just a pretty good prospect though some think he is great already but here is how I see it. The guy did more than decent in India to play out sessions when everyone were getting eolled over by our spinners and pacers in that Aus series. He showed the temperament.

 

Now if an Indian players does like this overseas, we will commend him and would like to keep him around.  Renshaw shouldn’t be dropped so fast after 3 FC games stats. 

[Vijy]

On 11/20/2017 at 12:09 PM, Jamadagni said:

Spot on. Posters here all all acting as if he is the second coming of Gavaskar. He looked out of sorts against Indian quicks throughout the series. He would have been badly exposed by Broad/Woakes. 

second coming of bradman, etc. all he does is avg a measly 36-odd.

[King Tendulkar]

Bancroft played very well . Ca got it right it seems 

[Cricketics]

2 hours ago, King Tendulkar said:

Bancroft played very well . Ca got it right it seems 

Picking him may be but not dropping a promising player.