vvvslaxman Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, putrevus said: Why is this an excuse for Vijay and not Dhawan.Dhawan is not the answer but Vijay is not the answer either he is 33 and slowed down a lot on field too. They need some one better. There is no one better. Seen the techniques of all the openers. They would not have lasted more than couple of overs on this tour. You need to leave a lot of balls on this pitch. Kohli after so many failures has learnt how to leave the right balls. There is nobody batted with self assurance in this series bar Kohli, abdv and Amla to some extent. For an opener job is doubly hard. M Vijay is a must for overseas tours until he completely goes off the boil like getting out in the first over, 2nd over. Edited January 26, 2018 by vvvslaxman Link to comment
shortbread Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, putrevus said: Why is this an excuse for Vijay and not Dhawan.Dhawan is not the answer but Vijay is not the answer either he is 33 and slowed down a lot on field too. They need some one better. Vijay is the best opener India has and no one even comes close. A replacement for Rahul (albeit I might give gim a longer run) and Dhawan can be looked into. But what will most probably happen is some new kid will come in to open againsta England fail and then the merry go round starts again. That is the whole issue. Get two openers stick with them for two series and let their partnership develop. Or the openers will fail in 10 overs and the line up will follow like dominoes. Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 That is a problem i am always concerned about. I would not hold that against him in this innings. If the batting is little easier like in the last test i would agree with you. On this pitch i have no qualms about his innings. He did the very best he could do. In the entire series only 2 batsmen have crossed 200 if i am right in 5 innings.He got two starts and he failed in both innings to convert.No one is asking him to score boundaries or play airy shots, he and Pujara have to learn to rotate strike better or they will never do enough. Link to comment
shortbread Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Just now, putrevus said: He got two starts and he failed in both innings to convert.No one is asking him to score boundaries or play airy shots, he and Pujara have to learn to rotate strike better or they will never do enough. No please, the whole Pujara positivity thing ended up in two runouts! Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 I very much doubt any opener in the world could have survived against this attack this long on this surface. Y day he left the balls on length and line impeccably. Let us just have to sit and appreciate his technique. He is definitely the best opener to play on difficult pitches.If it was just about today nobody will be having an issue but Vijay has a problem of becoming too stagnant and sudden rush of blood. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, putrevus said: He got two starts and he failed in both innings to convert.No one is asking him to score boundaries or play airy shots, he and Pujara have to learn to rotate strike better or they will never do enough. That is the thing. You are never in on this surface. Surviving and giving confidence to your inform captain did more wonders than anything else. Imagine him he made 25 in 25. Other batsmen would have been in lot early. SCore would have been 50/4. Newish ball. Test match is not like one dayers. Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 There is no one better. Seen the techniques of all the openers. They would not have lasted more than couple of overs on this tour. You need to leave a lot of balls on this pitch. Kohli after so many failures has learnt how to leave the right balls. There is nobody batted with self assurance in this series bar Kohli, abdv and Amla to some extent. For an opener job is doubly hard. M Vijay is a must for overseas tours until he completely goes off the boil like getting out in the first over, 2nd over. He did that in first test chasing wide ones, if India has to compete with just five batsmen they better find batsmen who can score too not just take shine off the new ball. Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 No please, the whole Pujara positivity thing ended up in two runouts!You mean to say it was other people who are to be blamed for his run outs. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 minute ago, putrevus said: If it was just about today nobody will be having an issue but Vijay has a problem of becoming too stagnant and sudden rush of blood. Blame the management for not going in with even a single practice match. They went from playing Sri Lankas on home ground to playing here against these set of bowlers. They tried to play the same shots they played against Lakmal paid the penalty. First test was practice test. He has more than done his job in this test. Even in the last he made 46 before throwing it away. Problem he has is fixable. Problems other have is not fixable. That is why we just have to persist with him especially overseas. I would take one more Vijay if available. He is the most assured opener in tough conditions. Yes he doesn't convert and score daddy hundreds. But unless we find an opener who is technically sound and can score big we just have to persist with him . I don't see one waiting in the wings. Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Blame the management for not going in with even a single practice match. They went from playing Sri Lankas on home ground to playing here against these set of bowlers. They tried to play the same shots they played against Lakmal paid the penalty. First test was practice test. He has more than done his job in this test. Even in the last he made 46 before throwing it away. Problem he has is fixable. Problems other have is not fixable. That is why we just have to persist with him especially overseas. I would take one more Vijay if available. He is the most assured opener in tough conditions. Yes he doesn't convert and score daddy hundreds. But unless we find an opener who is technically sound and can score big we just have to persist with him . I don't see one waiting in the wings.He is 33 not 23 so he is what he is, so they need to keep looking.not saying he needs to dropped.people were clamouring for Rahul and glorifying him to be something he is not, he threw his wicket all four times. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Just now, putrevus said: He is 33 not 23 so he is what he is, so they need to keep looking.not saying he needs to dropped.people were clamouring for Rahul and glorifying him to be something he is not, he threw his wicket all four times. 33 is not such an old age as long as he is fit. M Vijay is least of our problems. If anything he is one of the bright spot for us in this test. Link to comment
Khota Posted January 26, 2018 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 Once again both Rahul and Vijay failed. Anyone who thinks that Dhawan is not better is refusing to see the truth. Dhawan did better than Vijay in the ne opportunity he got. For outperforming Vijay he gets dropped. Both Rahul and Vijay have failed. Dhawan could have done real well here. Reality is Parthiv protected both Vijay and definitely Rahul . Rahul needs to go back for a year and sort the mess he has but should be persisted with. I will post the recipe for crow this weekend. Ankit_sharma03 and Rasgulla 1 1 Link to comment
Rasgulla Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Looks like khota bhai got it right again.. Patel was sent to protect KL.. once again he proved his haters wrong by score same runs in less balls Khota bhai rocks.. ICF shocks Link to comment
Khota Posted January 27, 2018 Author Share Posted January 27, 2018 @Ankit_sharma03 thodi se to sharam kar. Link to comment
fineleg Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 The donkey is going to eat crow now? M. Vijay proved the doubters wrong - gutsy inn at J'Burg. Gollum and Ankit_sharma03 2 Link to comment
Khota Posted January 27, 2018 Author Share Posted January 27, 2018 Vijay is the main reason India lost the series. Does anyone seriously believe either of the two is better than Dhawan? What was his average/ sub 20. The Rahul Vijay Bradman. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Khota said: @Ankit_sharma03 thodi se to sharam kar. kis baat ki I didnt call someone who avg lower then bhuvi n ashwin better overseas batsman then someone who avg 60 in aus and has made runs overseas Edited January 27, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, Khota said: Vijay is the main reason India lost the series. Does anyone seriously believe either of the two is better than Dhawan? What was his average/ sub 20. The Rahul Vijay Bradman. Keep trying No one here beilves dhawan is even a good test player forget calling him better then vijay n rahul N here people has watched cricket to understand failure are part of game and it wasnt easy for openers this series They knw the diff between test cricket n LOI Link to comment
Khota Posted January 27, 2018 Author Share Posted January 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Keep trying No one here beilves dhawan is even a good test player forget calling him better then vijay n rahul N here people has watched cricket to understand failure are part of game and it wasnt easy for openers this series They knw the diff between test cricket n LOI Poor rahul was shielded by another discard Patel. Love your commitment. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, Khota said: Poor rahul was shielded by another discard Patel. Love your commitment. so playing 20 balls and edging throughout is shielding and playing 100 balls on minefield is poor batting Link to comment
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