TDP quits NDA

[Rasgulla]

2 hours ago, maniac said:

Is that the inference you got from my post....you just don’t have any redeeming qualities do you lol

You called him a crook like present CM is some kind of angel considering all the bad things he has done in thr past. At the end of the day no one is pure in politics. People just have to choose the less evil one (certainly not your chandrababu anyway) Redeeming qualities ? Lol coming from you is funny

[someone]

Special status is difficult. Bihar deserves it more yet they dont have it. The central is already willing to support them pratically to the special status level for the next 5 years. 

[sarcastic]

11 hours ago, someone said:

Special status is difficult. Bihar deserves it more yet they dont have it. The central is already willing to support them pratically to the special status level for the next 5 years. 

Why not Orissa too... And Vidharbha area is underdeveloped too. Lot of states are not upto AP... Many states will ask for special status if AP is given that... and rightfully so... 

The union will not have any funds to do anything as all the money is given to the states. What about Indian army which is paid by the union govt. We will keep bullied by PRC as we cannot pump funds to our military. This is exactly what Jatley was talking about on Wednesday evening. 

[Book_Worm]

1 hour ago, sarcastic said:

Why not Orissa too... And Vidharbha area is underdeveloped too. Lot of states are not upto AP... Many states will ask for special status if AP is given that... and rightfully so... 

The union will not have any funds to do anything as all the money is given to the states. What about Indian army which is paid by the union govt. We will keep bullied by PRC as we cannot pump funds to our military. This is exactly what Jatley was talking about on Wednesday evening. 

I agree that other states will also ask but other states are not AP. Did they face the bifurcation the way andhra did?  Were our voices heard? BJp was in the opposition but even they were careful not to support andhra both congress and BJP wanted to take credit for the formation of telangana. In a matter of days we were forced a bifurcation and lost a capital. That's okay right all in  a day's work for politicians from both congress and BJP. Centre can do anything right and why would North care? Our feelings and emotions don't matter right.

[gattaca]

11 minutes ago, Book_Worm said:

I agree that other states will also ask but other states are not AP. Did they face the bifurcation the way andhra did?  Were our voices heard? BJp was in the opposition but even they were careful not to support andhra both congress and BJP wanted to take credit for the formation of telangana. In a matter of days we were forced a bifurcation and lost a capital. That's okay right all in  a day's work for politicians from both congress and BJP. Centre can do anything right and why would North care? Our feelings and emotions don't matter right.

You still have Kurnool like you did in 1953.

[Turning_track]

4 hours ago, sarcastic said:

Why not Orissa too... And Vidharbha area is underdeveloped too. Lot of states are not upto AP... Many states will ask for special status if AP is given that... and rightfully so... 

The union will not have any funds to do anything as all the money is given to the states. What about Indian army which is paid by the union govt. We will keep bullied by PRC as we cannot pump funds to our military. This is exactly what Jatley was talking about on Wednesday evening. 

Already the pressure on the central govt to release funds for each & every project in India is immense & currently special status has been given to 11 states.  Also they are following Gadgil-Mukherjee formula for awarding this status, which was adopted in 1991.

Jaitley too spoke regarding special status yesterday & if you consider the parameters of Planning Commission & Ministry of Commerce & Industry, then Bimaru states definitely make a strong claim.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/why-special-status-for-states-isn-t-feasible-any-longer/story-7ypmYE6rpDVYLIoV0tz0uN.html

[Book_Worm]

5 hours ago, Turning_track said:

Already the pressure on the central govt to release funds for each & every project in India is immense & currently special status has been given to 11 states.  Also they are following Gadgil-Mukherjee formula for awarding this status, which was adopted in 1991.

Jaitley too spoke regarding special status yesterday & if you consider the parameters of Planning Commission & Ministry of Commerce & Industry, then Bimaru states definitely make a strong claim.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/why-special-status-for-states-isn-t-feasible-any-longer/story-7ypmYE6rpDVYLIoV0tz0uN.html

It is not about which state has stronger or weaker claim.It is about the promise and assurance given to the people of andhra that we will be given special status because of the bifurcation. The way bifurcation happened it was wrong. Everything was rushed for the sake of election.  Everything went the way of telangana. Both sides need to be given equal importance. TDP went into alliance because of these assurances and hence we are only asking about this. How is it wrong? Also rules can be modified/rectified.hing  Everything can be modified and  changed if there is intent. 

[Turning_track]

1 hour ago, Book_Worm said:

It is not about which state has stronger or weaker claim.It is about the promise and assurance given to the people of andhra that we will be given special status because of the bifurcation. The way bifurcation happened it was wrong. Everything was rushed for the sake of election.  Everything went the way of telangana. Both sides need to be given equal importance. TDP went into alliance because of these assurances and hence we are only asking about this. How is it wrong? Also rules can be modified/rectified.hing  Everything can be modified and  changed if there is intent. 

I support the claim of AP & its people for special status & their demand of more funds so that it can be used for benefit of local population. But I don't think the central government will give them what they want.

These crooked politicians for their own selfish motives can betray anybody. Next year by this time, the Centre might prepare/release some plan considering upcoming general & assembly elections. 

How can you expect a smooth transition when this bifurcation was done hastily & the motive being winning elections instead of prosperity of millions in that area. 

[eternalhope]

During bifurcation the PM has promised special status to AP on the floor of the house in the Rajyasabha. This promise was not made to any state and that too during the discussion on partition. Now the assurances on the floor of the houses have become irrelevant very conveniently as Modi with all his insecurities treats CBN as some sort of a rival from day one.  Now CBN has come out of the NDA, he suddenly becomes a villain. How many of you even know about the state and its current condition. This is the state with one of the highest growth in GDP. Unfortunately we do not have industry and revenue sharing has been a problem with most of the companies setting their headquarters in Hyderabad and we are losing revenue there. It will take another 10 years to turn it around. Meanwhile the Telanganites here can gloat over their loot.

Edited March 16, 2018 by eternalhope

[G_B_]

Interesting thread, a few points as a non Telegu person interested in Andhra politics

 

(1) CBN did jump ship. But so did KCR. Lets see KCR was in TDP then formed TRS. As head of TRS allied with Congress, BJP, Commies and even TDP itself. Basically everybody. Andhra politics is marked by jumping ship. Especially now. KCR is a much bigger ship jumper than CBN. In the same of CBN stabbing Rama Rao, the truth is Rama Rao was senile and had given control of party to his newly married much younger wife. Periyar did the same in TN by marrying a much younger women and naming her his heir. Result was even there Anna splitting to form the DMK. Act like a fool and somebody will call you for it.

(2) Telangana happened because of the death of YSR. Till then the sentiments were kept in check as he was seen as a farmer friendly face. So while KCR played a blinder (even giving the impression to congress he would be its CM candidate and merge TRS into the Congress) luck has its part.

 

On the partition

 

(1) Andhra Pradesh was clearly a revenue deficit state. The problem with CBN was that he had grand plans and wanted to finish everything with 5 years. The demands were too much from the center which was faced already with a big deficit. Jharkhand became a new state with Ranchi as its capital. Chhatisgrah had Raipur. Andhra Pradesh should have formed assembly in Vizag. Its not as if the state had no cities. On top of Polavaram (with escalating costs)  Amravathi was too much for any central government to fund, in a span of  years. This is universally true regardless of Congress or BJP. On top of which CBN wanted farm waivers. Think about it rationally. The BJP had a low stake in AP. Are they going to oblige with such excessive demands for money when they have a majority and also are looking to reign in the budget deficit?

 

(2) There are two sides to every coin. People of Telangana wanted their own state. Not splitting the state would have lead to heavy protests in Telangana. So you were not going to avoid anything. One set of people would always be unhappy.

 

On current state

 

(1) TDP is clearly up against it. Plan was to align with Pawan Kalyan to consolidate the kapu votes. TDP lost on both fronts. If they cant strike up an alliance with Pawan close to LS 2019 they are really up against it.

(2) Jagan has played a masterstroke. Forced the TDP hand and ensured they quit well ahead of time as that CBN cannot announce any poll sops as andhra is a revenue deficit state.  However the fundamental difference between the TDP and YSR is that the TDP is a much better organised party at the booth level. Opinion polls do not fully reflect that. Organisation can be a savior for the TDP.

(3) BJP will not win anything in state by has a chance to hurt the TDP or YSR. BJP leadership is also Kapu. While they can bring up the demand of separate Rayalaseema to dent Jagan.   Its a blessing that the BJP will fight Telangana a state in which they have an increasing footprint alone without the TDP who were always a block. 

(4) In both states its appears to be Reddys + minorities v Other forward castes. In Telangana I suspect the Congress is following the strategy of ensuring that they are a Reddy + Muslim party as a bare minimum to block the BJP from being the leader of opposition. BJP on the other hand are wooing OBC and BC castes aggressively. TRS will ally with MIM and may even ally with TDP to get settler votes. Its BJP  v TRS alliance in urban areas and Congress v TRS in rural. In AP it will be TDP  vs Pawan+ Commies  vs YSR vs Cong vs BJP. Very fluid in both states.

 

 

 

 

[gattaca]

1 hour ago, G_B_ said:

Interesting thread, a few points as a non Telegu person interested in Andhra politics

 

(1) CBN did jump ship. But so did KCR. Lets see KCR was in TDP then formed TRS. As head of TRS allied with Congress, BJP, Commies and even TDP itself. Basically everybody. Andhra politics is marked by jumping ship. Especially now. KCR is a much bigger ship jumper than CBN. In the same of CBN stabbing Rama Rao, the truth is Rama Rao was senile and had given control of party to his newly married much younger wife. Periyar did the same in TN by marrying a much younger women and naming her his heir. Result was even there Anna splitting to form the DMK. Act like a fool and somebody will call you for it.

(2) Telangana happened because of the death of YSR. Till then the sentiments were kept in check as he was seen as a farmer friendly face. So while KCR played a blinder (even giving the impression to congress he would be its CM candidate and merge TRS into the Congress) luck has its part.

 

On the partition

 

(1) Andhra Pradesh was clearly a revenue deficit state. The problem with CBN was that he had grand plans and wanted to finish everything with 5 years. The demands were too much from the center which was faced already with a big deficit. Jharkhand became a new state with Ranchi as its capital. Chhatisgrah had Raipur. Andhra Pradesh should have formed assembly in Vizag. Its not as if the state had no cities. On top of Polavaram (with escalating costs)  Amravathi was too much for any central government to fund, in a span of  years. This is universally true regardless of Congress or BJP. On top of which CBN wanted farm waivers. Think about it rationally. The BJP had a low stake in AP. Are they going to oblige with such excessive demands for money when they have a majority and also are looking to reign in the budget deficit?

 

(2) There are two sides to every coin. People of Telangana wanted their own state. Not splitting the state would have lead to heavy protests in Telangana. So you were not going to avoid anything. One set of people would always be unhappy.

 

On current state

 

(1) TDP is clearly up against it. Plan was to align with Pawan Kalyan to consolidate the kapu votes. TDP lost on both fronts. If they cant strike up an alliance with Pawan close to LS 2019 they are really up against it.

(2) Jagan has played a masterstroke. Forced the TDP hand and ensured they quit well ahead of time as that CBN cannot announce any poll sops as andhra is a revenue deficit state.  However the fundamental difference between the TDP and YSR is that the TDP is a much better organised party at the booth level. Opinion polls do not fully reflect that. Organisation can be a savior for the TDP.

(3) BJP will not win anything in state by has a chance to hurt the TDP or YSR. BJP leadership is also Kapu. While they can bring up the demand of separate Rayalaseema to dent Jagan.   Its a blessing that the BJP will fight Telangana a state in which they have an increasing footprint alone without the TDP who were always a block. 

(4) In both states its appears to be Reddys + minorities v Other forward castes. In Telangana I suspect the Congress is following the strategy of ensuring that they are a Reddy + Muslim party as a bare minimum to block the BJP from being the leader of opposition. BJP on the other hand are wooing OBC and BC castes aggressively. TRS will ally with MIM and may even ally with TDP to get settler votes. Its BJP  v TRS alliance in urban areas and Congress v TRS in rural. In AP it will be TDP  vs Pawan+ Commies  vs YSR vs Cong vs BJP. Very fluid in both states.

 

 

 

 

In Telangana congress is playing massive caste politics they got all reddy leaders on their side but all of them are incompetent. KCR will win the election again may be even with higher majority. We are close to getting drinking water and canal water for agri purposes. This is applies to lot of villages around us. This is major win for TRS. I was sceptic of KCR but he done good for the state. He also settled the river disputes with maha he was the leading the effort in getting the dispute resolved.

Edited March 18, 2018 by gattaca

[someone]

The problem is the mahol or really atmosphere is coming back to identity politics. There is the dravida nadu movement again, state flag, and caste politics. In such situation, regional and castist parties will do good. We need nationalism mood and hope it changes.

 

And media is supporting them, nobody is calling out RJD as criminals. While voters for BJP, are seen as communal voters. Opposition today is getting a free pass.

[dial_100]

BJP supporters should have toned down a bit. They have been extremely arrogant and abusive. I can understand their frustration but at the moment they have everything they wanted. Why waste energy on trolls. Positive impact should be created. 

[dial_100]

About TDA, there is a growing discontent amongst telugu people I heard lately. Their resentment is that why isnt there a telugu PM. Many feel both telugu leaders are capable of becoming PM and can handle situation much better that gujju.

 

This country is going to struggle as always. People dont change.

[jusarrived]

4 hours ago, someone said:

The problem is the mahol or really atmosphere is coming back to identity politics. There is the dravida nadu movement again, state flag, and caste politics. In such situation, regional and castist parties will do good. We need nationalism mood and hope it changes.

 

And media is supporting them, nobody is calling out RJD as criminals. While voters for BJP, are seen as communal voters. Opposition today is getting a free pass.

The communal voters not the ones who vote for or against BJP , but definitely the ones who vote for anyone but BJP . 

[G_B_]

17 hours ago, gattaca said:

In Telangana congress is playing massive caste politics they got all reddy leaders on their side but all of them are incompetent. KCR will win the election again may be even with higher majority. We are close to getting drinking water and canal water for agri purposes. This is applies to lot of villages around us. This is major win for TRS. I was sceptic of KCR but he done good for the state. He also settled the river disputes with maha he was the leading the effort in getting the dispute resolved.

haven't they always? Reddys have been the backbone of the congress in AP (united). Just like lingayats and patels stand/stood behind the BJP in Kar and Guj. Large middle castes have stood behind bjp and cong

[gattaca]

5 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

haven't they always? Reddys have been the backbone of the congress in AP (united). Just like lingayats and patels stand/stood behind the BJP in Kar and Guj. Large middle castes have stood behind bjp and cong

TDP used to have reddys at least in Telangana. 

[G_B_]

and on kcr

 

feel the trs are strong in rural areas. Their grip in urban was always suspect...

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BJP-affiliated Bhagyanagar Municipal Employees Union (BMEU) trounced TRS-affiliated Greater Hyderabad Municipal Employees Union (GHMEU) with a margin of 1,317 votes. While the ruling party roped in deputy chief minister Mahmood Ali, minister Nayani Narsimha Reddy, TRS whip Palla Rajeshwar Reddy and MLA VSrinivas Goud and other leaders, BMEU carried out its electioneering with local BJP leaders with some help from the national pool.

 

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/trs-battered-in-backyard-loses-key-ghmc-union-cries-sabotage/articleshow/63358931.cms

 

Telangana urban BJP v TRS , rural Congress v TRS

[G_B_]

1 minute ago, gattaca said:

TDP used to have reddys at least in Telangana. 

even bjp have fielded yadavs in the cow belt. does not make them in a backbone

[Book_Worm]

2 hours ago, dial_100 said:

About TDA, there is a growing discontent amongst telugu people I heard lately. Their resentment is that why isnt there a telugu PM. Many feel both telugu leaders are capable of becoming PM and can handle situation much better that gujju.

 

This country is going to struggle as always. People dont change.

Iam Telugu and I have never heard about this particular rumour. Anger is only about bifurcation and about special status. Congress is hated not bjp. Of course Naidu is way better than Modi but nobody in our state has ever wanted Naidu to be the PM he is needed in Andhra so I don’t understand from whom u are getting all these stories.