Singh bling Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, Hydra said: Cruelty to animals in Australia is dealt with in a very severe way, the fines aren't 50 rupees it is jail time and penalties ranging from $1000 to $20000 or even more, and jail time of 12 months to more. Lol you are living in your wonderland. Aussie sheep farmers , dairy farmers , beef farmers don't do any cruelity ? What about all those footages of sheeps legally exported in extreme conditions? Anyway here is some knowledge DAIRY In the Australian dairy industry it is sickeningly legal to crush the skull of an unviable calf with a hammer the day it is born. With every carton of milk, slab of cheese and tub of yoghurt you consume, you add to this atrocious and appalling cruelty. It’s easy to switch from dairy when you know what’s really going on. http://dairycruelty.com.au So crushing skull of newborn calf is legal? What type of cruelity is punished? Only with pet dogs and cats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydra Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 27 minutes ago, Singh bling said: Lol you are living in your wonderland. Aussie sheep farmers , dairy farmers , beef farmers don't do any cruelity ? What about all those footages of sheeps legally exported in extreme conditions? Anyway here is some knowledge DAIRY In the Australian dairy industry it is sickeningly legal to crush the skull of an unviable calf with a hammer the day it is born. With every carton of milk, slab of cheese and tub of yoghurt you consume, you add to this atrocious and appalling cruelty. It’s easy to switch from dairy when you know what’s really going on. http://dairycruelty.com.au So crushing skull of newborn calf is legal? What type of cruelity is punished? Only with pet dogs and cats And our government is looking into it, at least we don't have cows who we claim to worship on the streets eating garbage and plastic, don't worry I have seen cruelty in India that is far worse and the sad thing is that you guys can be cruel to your own people especially women and children and then all you Indians get on the net and say how wonderful India is, keep lying to yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Hydra said: And our government is looking into it, at least we don't have cows who we claim to worship on the streets eating garbage and plastic, don't worry I have seen cruelty in India that is far worse and the sad thing is that you guys can be cruel to your own people especially women and children and then all you Indians get on the net and say how wonderful India is, keep lying to yourself. I call racist BS from the most racist BS nation in the western world. As for women and children, our country didnt treat an entire group of people as vermin and had 'shoot to kill coz they are vermins on land' till just a couple of decades ago. Even now, Australia is more racist than anywhere in Asia outside the Arab world and China. Aussies should bow their head in shame for a long, long time before they lecture others on how to treat fellow human beings. Scum nation of scumbags, as proven by their policies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydra Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: I call racist BS from the most racist BS nation in the western world. As for women and children, our country didnt treat an entire group of people as vermin and had 'shoot to kill coz they are vermins on land' till just a couple of decades ago. Even now, Australia is more racist than anywhere in Asia outside the Arab world and China. Aussies should bow their head in shame for a long, long time before they lecture others on how to treat fellow human beings. Scum nation of scumbags, as proven by their policies. Congratulations, you are a fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 22 minutes ago, Hydra said: Congratulations, you are a fool. I dont need lectures on how to treat human beings, when ALL your people above the age of 51 grew up in a world where your aboriginals were classified under 'flora and fauna', were not considered citizens of Australia and were classified furthermore as vermins. Aka, farmers and ranchers had right to shoot Aboriginals who entered their property much like we have the right to kill a rat in our house. Until those people are dead, Aussies don't get to lecture us on how to treat people, as i can garantee you, India or Indian law has never plumbed such attrocious depths as that of Oz-land, the most backwards of all western nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Oz-land tidbits : It took until 2012 for Aboriginals to have the same estate rights as non-aboriginals. In australia, if ANY non-aboriginal dies without leaving a will, the estate automatially went to next of kin. Ie, like normal countries. If Aboriginals died without a will ? It automatically went to the state. As i said, OZ land makes deep south of US and the American rednecks look like a bunch of Gandhi-Mandela types hugging trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydra Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: Oz-land tidbits : It took until 2012 for Aboriginals to have the same estate rights as non-aboriginals. In australia, if ANY non-aboriginal dies without leaving a will, the estate automatially went to next of kin. Ie, like normal countries. If Aboriginals died without a will ? It automatically went to the state. As i said, OZ land makes deep south of US and the American rednecks look like a bunch of Gandhi-Mandela types hugging trees. Like I said congratulations you are a fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, Hydra said: Like I said congratulations you are a fool. Nothing foolish about pointing out that it is hypocritical of citizens of such a barbaric nation to call others uncivilized or barbaric. Sign that you have no counter, is that you are resorting to simple name-calling. Go convince your grandpa that Aboriginals are not vermins before you lecture us. As i said, I've been to your $hit-hole racist country. Will not live there if they paid me enough. Its just good for some eco-tourism, thats it. Switchblade 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stradlater Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 42 minutes ago, Pace90 said: So they were not Indians, rather were Indian Muslims, so don't blame Indians or India for this . Get out Switchblade 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alam_dar Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Returning to the topic: 1. It seems that world has not come to a conclusion about the sex with the animals. There are a lot of differences in opinion. 2. Countries like Israel, Japan, Iceland, Finland, Romania, Hungry, Czechs Republic, Argentinia, Cuba, Canada, and some states of UK allow it. And then there are many countries (like China, Uruguay, Venezuela and many other countries) where it is Unknown (which is almost equal to allowing it). 3. While watching and having such porn videos is allowed in majority of the world. 4. And even if it is illegal, still the punishment is UNKNOWN is majority of the countries of the world. Here you could see the very detailed map of all countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_bestiality_by_country_or_territory What conclusions could be drawn from it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alam_dar Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 On 7/29/2018 at 7:08 PM, beetle said: They would have done the same to a child or a woman if they had found one available. Disgusting low lives. This is a very complex issue. And we need honest opinions to come to any conclusions. 1. Could the same be said about the men who masturbate that they will loose control if they find any woman or child? 2. Could it also be said about the men who watch pornos? There are men who are watching incest videos. There are some who watch rape/forced pornos. 3. This argument is also made that in many cases animals are not tortured, but they enjoy the sex too. Therefore, they insist that only that bestiality should be banned where animals are tortured and they go under pain. Their further argument is even in the nature one species of animal is making sex with other species of animal. Due to these arguments, bestiality has been kept allowed in many countries of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: This is a very complex issue. And we need honest opinions to come to any conclusions. 1. Could the same be said about the men who masturbate that they will loose control if they find any woman or child? 2. Could it also be said about the men who watch pornos? There are men who are watching incest videos. There are some who watch rape/forced pornos. 3. This argument is also made that in many cases animals are not tortured, but they enjoy the sex too. Therefore, they insist that only that bestiality should be banned where animals are tortured and they go under pain. Their further argument is even in the nature one species of animal is making sex with other species of animal. Due to these arguments, bestiality has been kept allowed in many countries of the world. The issue that is decisive to beastiality to me, is that of consent. There is no valid, discernable way to say, if a member of another species consents to sex ( Pavlov-ian training does not count either, as it would be without consent the first time for sure). As such, if you hold the view, that i do, that sexual pleasure with another being, without their consent, regardless of what type of being they are (man, woman, hijra, another species, etc), is rape + I don't condone rape on any accord, i would not condone beastiality. I am pretty sure, as such, if you let a dog hump you, its pretty sad/sick (coz by my view then, you are letting yourself be raped by the dog, as you too, cannot communicate consent with the dog), but it would not qualify as granting consent, either. PS: Its pretty technical to say Canada allows beastiality. Because by SC ruling in Canada, beastiality is 'legal', provided no penetration is occuring, as SC in a surprising twist deemed that when verbal/written communication is impossible, it is technically impossible to rule any behaviuor decisively as sexual without penetration of any kind ( in any thing. Ie, in any order of penetration of any kind- aka you cannot french-kiss an animal (it is an act of penetration deriving sexual pleasure). They also asked the parliament to better define the term 'beastiality' as apparently its poorly translated in terms of legal jargon. So yes, if one can figure out a way to have sex with an animal in Canada without any penetration of any kind, then go for it and good luck to their sad sex life. Edited August 4, 2018 by Muloghonto beetle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kira Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 7 hours ago, Hydra said: And our government is looking into it, at least we don't have cows who we claim to worship on the streets eating garbage and plastic, don't worry I have seen cruelty in India that is far worse and the sad thing is that you guys can be cruel to your own people especially women and children and then all you Indians get on the net and say how wonderful India is, keep lying to yourself. chup kar phateecharstani, no one is buying you aussie gimmick, you are just another phateechar from padosiland velu, asterix and Stradlater 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 12 hours ago, Muloghonto said: The issue that is decisive to beastiality to me, is that of consent. There is no valid, discernable way to say, if a member of another species consents to sex ( Pavlov-ian training does not count either, as it would be without consent the first time for sure). As such, if you hold the view, that i do, that sexual pleasure with another being, without their consent, regardless of what type of being they are (man, woman, hijra, another species, etc), is rape + I don't condone rape on any accord, i would not condone beastiality. From which angle in above video the cow is giving consent? Is that mating under the definition of sex or rape ? Do you think cow will feel more pain if instead of bull the man puts its tiny penis in big vagina? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 7 hours ago, Singh bling said: From which angle in above video the cow is giving consent? Is that mating under the definition of sex or rape ? Irrelevant. If all bulls are rapist, it does not mean we, species homo sapiens raping a cow is okay. Maybe their moos mean a certain thing, maybe not, maybe their particular posture communicates something, maybe not- we cannot tell. All WE can tell, is whether WE have consent or not. And in my books, if a human being has sex without something without consent, provided that thing is alive, it is rape. Should be a pretty easy concept to understand- dont have sex without consent/stop having sex when consent is withdrawn. 7 hours ago, Singh bling said: Do you think cow will feel more pain if instead of bull the man puts its tiny penis in big vagina? Irrelevant. If you are a micro-dick guy with women not feeling anything, does that make it okay for you to rape them ? If not, then the same applies to all living organisms- if you are not sure you have consent, dont have sex. Pretty basic thing to adhere to, as a decent, respectful person, i'd think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 3 hours ago, Muloghonto said: Irrelevant. If all bulls are rapist, it does not mean we, species homo sapiens raping a cow is okay. Maybe their moos mean a certain thing, maybe not, maybe their particular posture communicates something, maybe not- we cannot tell. All WE can tell, is whether WE have consent or not. And in my books, if a human being has sex without something without consent, provided that thing is alive, it is rape. Should be a pretty easy concept to understand- dont have sex without consent/stop having sex when consent is withdrawn. Irrelevant. If you are a micro-dick guy with women not feeling anything, does that make it okay for you to rape them ? If not, then the same applies to all living organisms- if you are not sure you have consent, dont have sex. Pretty basic thing to adhere to, as a decent, respectful person, i'd think. All bulls are not rapist, in wild cow give consent to mount her.but in that video she is brutally tied and forced to being penetrated and the main culprit is dairy farmer. As for other point sorry to say humans have emotions , they sometimes feel trauma for life , they are not like animals.even if you touch breast of some women without consent that is molestation , but dairy farmers do that all the time to obtain milk so both are different cases. The humans have taken control of sexual lives of domestic animals from centuries .when to impregnate a female which bull to keep for breeding which male calf to castrate .The human laws don't apply to animals.The only law applicable to them is unnecessary cruelity O/W hardly any practice could be justified .We don't castrate our children to make them docile but we ate doing this for centuries to animals to make them docile Alam_dar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Singh bling said: All bulls are not rapist, in wild cow give consent to mount her. Prove it. prove it that cows give consent. 1 hour ago, Singh bling said: but in that video she is brutally tied and forced to being penetrated and the main culprit is dairy farmer. As for other point sorry to say humans have emotions , they sometimes feel trauma for life , they are not like animals.even if you touch breast of some women without consent that is molestation , but dairy farmers do that all the time to obtain milk so both are different cases. Animals and even plants have emotional responses. Humans have greater rights simply because humans are equal to one another in rights, a speciestic advantage we enjoy by being *the* dominant animal on the planet. 1 hour ago, Singh bling said: The humans have taken control of sexual lives of domestic animals from centuries .when to impregnate a female which bull to keep for breeding which male calf to castrate . Sure. Doesn't justify a human raping a cow. We are capable of communicating consent to us. As such, consent is function of communication. 1 hour ago, Singh bling said: The human laws don't apply to animals. False. They do. hence there are laws re: beastiality. Animals dont have the same rights as humans. That is another discussion. 1 hour ago, Singh bling said: The only law applicable to them is unnecessary cruelity O/W hardly any practice could be justified . They also have the right to not be raped by an entity who's consent we can explicitly determine: aka, us. 1 hour ago, Singh bling said: We don't castrate our children to make them docile but we ate doing this for centuries to animals to make them docile Again, what part of ' if you don't have consent from another being, dont fcuk it' is hard for you to understand or you find objectionable ? Spell it out for us, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: Prove it. prove it that cows give consent. Just watch national geographic , in most animals when female is not in mood she give clear indication and bulls , males just move on 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: Animals and even plants have emotional responses. Humans have greater rights simply because humans are equal to one another in rights, a speciestic advantage we enjoy by being *the* dominant animal on the planet. Then who gives right to dairy farmer to put tube in vagina of cattle .if a man put an object in woman's vagina then its rape if the same right is extenged to animals then all dairy cattles are raped 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: They also have the right to not be raped by an entity who's consent we can explicitly determine: aka, us. They don't even have right on their life or freedom , a human can legally cut their throat next day. 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: Again, what part of ' if you don't have consent from another being, dont fcuk it' is hard for you to understand or you find objectionable ? Spell it out for us, please. As i said why consent is just limited to male penis.Do they give consent to touch their udders , do they give consent to artificially put tubes in their vagina.these are all crimes if you commit it against women Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikred Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 As i said why consent is just limited to male penis.Do they give consent to touch their udders , do they give consent to artificially put tubes in their vagina.these are all crimes if you commit it against womenNot that I agree, could this be argued similar to killing for fun or killing for food? Sent from my Redmi Note 4 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 1 hour ago, nikred said: Not that I agree, could this be argued similar to killing for fun or killing for food? Sent from my Redmi Note 4 using Tapatalk May be but in both cases we call it killing But here we don't say a farmer is raping his cattle when he put tube in vagina of an animal without consent So in both cases use word rape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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