Sam Curran what an all rounder

[sandeep]

19 hours ago, Global.Baba said:

That is ironic on so many levels

 

Curran’s role as a bowler is as clear as daylight when compared to what Pandya’s role is. Relatively speaking

Nope.  Is he considered the 2nd or 3rd best bowler available to England for test cricket?  I don't think so.  He makes it into the team because of the package value he offers with his batting. 

[SK_IH]

47 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

2nd skill is needed to balance team

Our side of 2000s had sachin , sehwag, ganguly

WI had viv who cud roll his arm over

Aus had waugh bros, clarke & later watson

 

Why do u wanna break our bowlers down, in India its easy coz spinners bowl bulk of over so we can play 4 bowler but overseas ur seamers have to bowl bulk of overs. Do u want bumrah to bowl 40-40 overs in each test and then play odi and t20 and expect him to be bowling at full steam all time. 

 

After ages we have got bowler who can bowl 140+ so its important to manage their work load in everyway 

thats why u need 5th bowler. Does any of our batsman bowl???? Nooo

 

No one becomes quality in 10 test matches it takes time. Go n check most all rounder record in their 1st 10-15 test . 

 

Tht mediocre guy showed more application while batting then those domestic achievers 

Bhai you are comparing the likes of Sachin, Ganguly, even Watson for the want of 2nd skills of Pandya, ignoring the he is a complete dud in so far as primary skill is concerned vis-a- vis the players mentioned.

Why are you going on and on about maintaining the work load, we all saw how much confidence Virat had in Pandya and how many overs he gave him in tough situations.

To sum up, test match is won by performances, balance is a nice fancy word to use

[ShoonyaSifar]

14 hours ago, Global.Baba said:

Bhai,In test cricket I would pick Bhuvaneshwar Kumar as the 5th bowler if required.

 

As much as Bhuvi the LOI bowler disgusts me, he can be accommodated in test cricket.

 

Combo Attack of Bumrah,Ishant,Bhuvi,Shami/Umesh,Ashwin/Jadeja/Kuldeep looks more threatening than a combo with Pandya in it.

 

Pretty sure Bhuvi will score as many runs as Pandya if not more.

 

On a seaming green mamba or a  turning dustbowl you don’t need 5 bowlers. If 4 bowlers cannot get you wickets on such pitches you have a problem. On such pitches a 6th specialist batsman helps.

 

Now if Pandya outscores a top order batsman then the problem is with that batsman and he needs to be replaced . It is injustice to all those talented batsmen sitting out when Pandya keeps getting a shot ahead of them.

With Pandya not available for Aus tour, we have the opportunity to see if Team Management takes this punt. We will definitely need 5 /4.5 bowlers in Australia where pitches will not offer as much help as our bowlers got in Eng/SA.

 

On scoring runs, sorry Bhuvi is not as good as Pandya. Despite playing twice the number the matches and innings, has not even scored the same number of runs. He did have a good few innings on 2014 Eng tour, but other than that not much. Less said about ODI batting, it's better.  So far he's played as a specialist bowler and even 20 runs from him are a bonus. The moment he starts playing as an all rounder, his batting will be under more scrutiny.

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 hours ago, SK_IH said:

Bhai you are comparing the likes of Sachin, Ganguly, even Watson for the want of 2nd skills of Pandya, ignoring the he is a complete dud in so far as primary skill is concerned vis-a- vis the players mentioned.

Why are you going on and on about maintaining the work load, we all saw how much confidence Virat had in Pandya and how many overs he gave him in tough situations.

Bowling in tough situation is main bowlers job

His job is come n bowl n give them a breather and its not that he hasnt done anything when needed

He took 3 wkts having i think best eco in 2nd test eng

took 2 wkts when Sa was having a opening stand in 1st test 

 

Dnt expect to much to early and about his bowling this guy wud be lethal on spicy pitches with his speed, length n outswing which he showed when he took a 5-fer

 

Their 2nd skill helped team to have proper specialist we dnt have that

3 hours ago, SK_IH said:

To sum up, test match is won by performances, balance is a nice fancy word to use

and he won u a test match right

 

[SK_IH]

19 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Bowling in tough situation is main bowlers job

His job is come n bowl n give them a breather and its not that he hasnt done anything when needed

He took 3 wkts having i think best eco in 2nd test eng

took 2 wkts when Sa was having a opening stand in 1st test 

 

Dnt expect to much to early and about his bowling this guy wud be lethal on spicy pitches with his speed, length n outswing which he showed when he took a 5-fer

 

Their 2nd skill helped team to have proper specialist we dnt have that

and he won u a test match right

 

i cant agree with you, there are better batsman than this guy in indian cricket and just to play him ahead of those guys because he can give breather to main seamers is a big NO

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, SK_IH said:

i cant agree with you, there are better batsman than this guy in indian cricket and just to play him ahead of those guys because he can give breather to main seamers is a big NO

if their are better batsman ill replace them with batsman Coz rahul, pujara , rahane have been inconsistent themselves 

 

n i hve seen this guy score on green top in Australia with pink ball which moves a lil more ahead of all our A - team batsman and show a lot more application then our batsman in england as well

 

I wnt throw him n add other batsman to hide their inconsistency 

[SK_IH]

7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

if their are better batsman ill replace them with batsman Coz rahul, pujara , rahane have been inconsistent themselves 

 

n i hve seen this guy score on green top in Australia with pink ball which moves a lil more ahead of all our A - team batsman and show a lot more application then our batsman in england as well

 

I wnt throw him n add other batsman to hide their inconsistency 

you dont seem to be big on numbers but first class stats are still microcosm of a player's ability and  if a batsman averages so low as Pandya does in first class cricket, he has to be more capable bowler to sustain a place in the side

 

lets agree to disagree

[rkt.india]

4 hours ago, SK_IH said:

Bhai you are comparing the likes of Sachin, Ganguly, even Watson for the want of 2nd skills of Pandya, ignoring the he is a complete dud in so far as primary skill is concerned vis-a- vis the players mentioned.

Why are you going on and on about maintaining the work load, we all saw how much confidence Virat had in Pandya and how many overs he gave him in tough situations.

To sum up, test match is won by performances, balance is a nice fancy word to use

how is he dud? he already has a 100 and 2-3 50s in test cricket.  he has done as good Kohli had done in his test career after 10 tests.

[SK_IH]

5 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

how is he dud? he already has a 100 and 2-3 50s in test cricket.  he has done as good Kohli had done in his test career after 10 tests.

Kohli was averaging close to 50 in ODIs at that time and used to average in 50s in first class cricket so there was pedigree there, such ind of co-relation doesnt make any sense

Edited November 16, 2018 by SK_IH

[rkt.india]

20 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

you dont seem to be big on numbers but first class stats are still microcosm of a player's ability and  if a batsman averages so low as Pandya does in first class cricket, he has to be more capable bowler to sustain a place in the side

 

lets agree to disagree

Pandya has barely played 17 FC matches batting lower down the order and do not really reflect his ability as a batsman as he has barely played in FC games since his ODI debut 3 years back.  Regarding FC stats, no the are not real indicator for any player. if that was the case, we did not need to have selectors.  Jadeja has scored so many runs.  Is he a better bat than Pandya? No, he is not.  Can you tell me what was the FC record of Viv Richards or Michael Clarke when they made their debut?  Aussies had so many batsmen averaging 50 in domestic cricket, but they picked Clarke who was averaging 36.  Need of the team and potential plays a huge part in picking players.  

[rkt.india]

2 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

Kohli was averaging close to 50 in ODIs at that time and used to average in 50s in first class cricket so there was pedigree there, such ind of co-relation doesnt make any sense

ODI success does not mean test success.  Pandya too has done well in ODIs for the number he bats.  He has played FC cricket batting mostly in lower order and 17 games are not a huge sample set.  He is not picked as a specialist bat.  He is picked as alrounder, so, he does not need to have FC stats like a pure batsman.  

[SK_IH]

12 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Pandya has barely played 17 FC matches batting lower down the order and do not really reflect his ability as a batsman as he has barely played in FC games since his ODI debut 3 years back.  Regarding FC stats, no the are not real indicator for any player. if that was the case, we did not need to have selectors.  Jadeja has scored so many runs.  Is he a better bat than Pandya? No, he is not.  Can you tell me what was the FC record of Viv Richards or Michael Clarke when they made their debut?  Aussies had so many batsmen averaging 50 in domestic cricket, but they picked Clarke who was averaging 36.  Need of the team and potential plays a huge part in picking players.  

i knew Jadeja would crop up, i didnt say first class numbers are everythings but still they tell something about a player's ability

10 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

ODI success does not mean test success.  Pandya too has done well in ODIs for the number he bats.  He has played FC cricket batting mostly in lower order and 17 games are not a huge sample set.  He is not picked as a specialist bat.  He is picked as alrounder, so, he does not need to have FC stats like a pure batsman.  

thats the main beef i have regarding his selection, playing as an all rounder when he is not one. Neither a specialist batsman nor a specialist bowler