All Rounders do not exist.

[Ankit_sharma03]

27 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

Binny was in the right place at the right time. His bowling had 0 impact on that test and sure he played a good innings which any batsman “might” have played. Doesn’t prove that it was because of playing him like an allrounder we benefitted. Now I know your next point about picking a specialist bat for the next test, said this many times, if a lower order bat outscores a top

ordrer bat then the problem is with the too

order bat. You don’t start promoting the tailenders.

what is this new crap right time in right place,isnt that for most players

half the trundlers that played for us till 2000s as main bowler wnt have found a place in todays team 

it always works like that 

 

any batsman might have played??? see this is the probelm ....making someone contribution sound like it was easy

 

So explain why have more talented batsman like dhawan not able to make a single 50 on 2 tours of Eng n SA

why hasnt the most gifted batsman rohit sharma able to make a single 50 on 2 tours of SA.......n u ppl call pandya 93 a fluke

Damn wo saalo se to fluke bhi nhin lagte yaar 

 

Scoreboard doesnt show a lot, like good fielding saving 10-20 runs wnt be seen on scorecard but its impact wud be

 

2015 SL series which wasnt easy- kohli in post series gave a lot of credit to binny . Why???? coz in that heat he bowled those 10-15 overs and gave his fast bowler a breather........now this will never be seen on scorecard 

 

M not advocating binny as something gr8, my problem is undermining someone contribution by saying oh specialst wud have done more ....in reality the picture is something else. Binny, hardik  batted better then our specialist rohit sharma so why the hell do i go for a specialist and these guys give me bowling as well 

to put to shame, hardik showed more application with bat in most innings in england on his 1st tour rather then those specialist who were on 2-3 tours 

 

Binny , hardik are not tailender

if thats ur logic 1st stop calling guys like rohit a specialist coz tailenders like ashwin n bhuvi have better record overseas then him 

 

at the end contribution matter not tag of speialist

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

No when I said evolve, they were still performing in their primary role remarkably well but showing sparks of brilliance in the other skill set.

 

not really we have already put out a stat showing how hardik numbers were better then many 

Kallis intial stats were pretty bad

[Ankit_sharma03]

7 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

No when I said evolve, they were still performing in their primary role remarkably well but showing sparks of brilliance in the other skill set.

 

see I did put a stat that time

So chill , give some time ......taj mahal wasnt built overnight 

On 8/20/2018 at 11:16 PM, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Whats ur expectation???

 

After 10 test here are others avg

 

Kallis 

Batting - 22.66

Bowling - 30 

 

Flintoff

Batting- 15.93 

Bowling - 66.42

 

Garry sobers

Batting - 29.92

Bowling - 35

 

Kapil dev

Batting - 42.50 

Bowling - 39.06

 

Imran Khan 

Batting- 20.57

Bowling - 33.86

 

Ian botham 

Batting- 43. 54

Bowling - 17.33 

 

Richard hadlee

batting - 17.93

Bowling - 29.43

 

BEn stokes 

Batting - 36

Bowling - 40..10

 

Hardik PAndya  

Batting - 35.20

Bowling - 28.06 (this might get even better) 

 

Looking above, what wrong with pandya perfomance.....infact he looks ahead then many 

 

 

Now before u jump on the wagon n say m comparing pandya to these players.....NO IM not 

All m saying is questioning is what is ur expectation after 10 test, so early ..........his stats are absolutely fine and more importantly he has shown it in foreign conditions tht he has in him . Expecting consistency in intial 10 test is too much ......players dnt become great overnight 

 

 

 

[Global.Baba]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

what is this new crap right time in right place,isnt that for most players

half the trundlers that played for us till 2000s as main bowler wnt have found a place in todays team 

it always works like that 

 

any batsman might have played??? see this is the probelm ....making someone contribution sound like it was easy

 

So explain why have more talented batsman like dhawan not able to make a single 50 on 2 tours of Eng n SA

why hasnt the most gifted batsman rohit sharma able to make a single 50 on 2 tours of SA.......n u ppl call pandya 93 a fluke

Damn wo saalo se to fluke bhi nhin lagte yaar 

 

Scoreboard doesnt show a lot, like good fielding saving 10-20 runs wnt be seen on scorecard but its impact wud be

 

2015 SL series which wasnt easy- kohli in post series gave a lot of credit to binny . Why???? coz in that heat he bowled those 10-15 overs and gave his fast bowler a breather........now this will never be seen on scorecard 

 

M not advocating binny as something gr8, my problem is undermining someone contribution by saying oh specialst wud have done more ....in reality the picture is something else. Binny, hardik  batted better then our specialist rohit sharma so why the hell do i go for a specialist and these guys give me bowling as well 

to put to shame, hardik showed more application with bat in most innings in england on his 1st tour rather then those specialist who were on 2-3 tours 

 

Binny , hardik are not tailender

if thats ur logic 1st stop calling guys like rohit a specialist coz tailenders like ashwin n bhuvi have better record overseas then him 

 

at the end contribution matter not tag of speialist

 

Way to miss my point. I said it was a fine innings by Binny the batsman. It had nothing to do with him playing as an allrounder. Had Binny got 4-5 wickets in the test and then came in at 7 to play that knock, I would have absolutely agreed with you on how useful Binny the allrounder was.

 

He was pretty much we used as a batsman in that game and he delivered, so the 6th batsman did his job not the allrounder.

 

Hardik doesn’t merit a spot as a no.6 bat and neither does he as a third seamer, as a 4th seamer who is competent enough with the bat sure but how often do we have that opportunity? Even then I believe Bhuvi is a better test allrounder.

 

I have said Pandya brothers are modern cricketers tailor made for limited overs especially T20

[Global.Baba]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

see I did put a stat that time

So chill , give some time ......taj mahal wasnt built overnight 

 

All those guys earned a shot as bowlers/batsmen but their 2nd ability gave them a longer rope

 

None of them were picked from a circus and forced into the side as an allrounder.

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

 

Hardik doesn’t merit a spot as a no.6 bat and neither does he as a third seamer, as a 4th seamer who is competent enough with the bat sure but how often do we have that opportunity? Even then I believe Bhuvi is a better test allrounder.

6th he does - lets keep it as subjective...u beilve he doesnt i beileve he does

3rd seamer overseas- yes he isnt that good , but why wud u even play him as 3 seamer overseas ....he is 4th seamer 

 

Bhuvi batting has gotten better with time, hardik will to when he plays as much as bhuvi and more coz he has the stroked to make runs 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

All those guys earned a shot as bowlers/batsmen but their 2nd ability gave them a longer rope

 

None of them were picked from a circus and forced into the side as an allrounder.

that circus is nonsense as criteria now as he has shown he can bowl and bat in toughest of conditions ...bringing IPL now makes no sense

 

[Global.Baba]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

6th he does - lets keep it as subjective...u beilve he doesnt i beileve he does

3rd seamer overseas- yes he isnt that good , but why wud u even play him as 3 seamer overseas ....he is 4th seamer 

 

Bhuvi batting has gotten better with time, hardik will to when he plays as much as bhuvi and more coz he has the stroked to make runs 

 

So traditionally our 6th batsman in tests have been guys like VVS Laxman, Ganguly etc.

 

Guys like Gilchrist and even Dhoni batted at No.7.

 

I can’t think of a weaker no.6 for a top 5 side in the history of test cricket 

 

Lol good luck with Hardik Pandya as a long term no.6

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

8 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

So traditionally our 6th batsman in tests have been guys like VVS Laxman, Ganguly etc.

tradionatlly we had 3 part timers - ganguly, sachin , sehwag

which we dnt now...so we need to cover that option to

 

VVS laxman was avg 27 till 20th test ( now in before ur news channel reporter wakesup and accuses me of calling him better then laxman, well m not saying but as it shows even the greatest took their time )

 

Ganguly wasnt that gr8 as test batsman ass ur making out 

 

his batting wnt be same as both but his bowling will contribute way more then ganguly and laxman never bowled 

8 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

Guys like Gilchrist and even Dhoni batted at No.7.

We have pant now , he already a 100 overseas 

8 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

I can’t think of a weaker no.6 for a top 5 side in the history of test cricket 

Rohit sharma was far weeker 

yuvraj singh was no gr8 either 

we played raina to , far more weeker 

 

N do u guarntee that pandya numbers wnt improve...........no one can gurantee anything

Acc to ppl he was canon fodder but he won us a test with his bowling

Acc to ppl he wud have failed to buy a run in Sa he made a 93

He has a 100 in SL 

 

he will only improve 

8 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

Lol good luck with Hardik Pandya as a long term no.6

good luck with ur bowlers injury playing only 4 bowlers 

 

ur saying as if ur sure what will happen in future 

 

[Straight Drive]

Hardik's test batting average has fallen down from 35 to 31 due to impact of SA and England tour. During the same phase his test bowling SR has improved from 80 to 55. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

14 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Hardik's test batting average has fallen down from 35 to 31 due to impact of SA and England tour. During the same phase his test bowling SR has improved from 80 to 55. 

Actually he was avg 35.20 till 2nd last test only, in the last test it dipped to 31...so the change was in 1 test only ( the stats above were posted till 3rd test edgebaston)

 

most Indian batsman avg drops in countries like ENG n SA unless ur kohli 

Most seamers avg improve their

 

Edited November 27, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03

[Straight Drive]

4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

most Indian batsman avg drops in countries like ENG n SA unless ur kohli 

Most seamers avg improve their

 

Batting quality has been on decline since Fab5 retirement... apart from Virat Kohli.

[Straight Drive]

14 hours ago, putrevus said:

You are right finding better batsmen is the answer.Not bits and pieces players like Pandya. Rahane and Vijay were supposed to be the answer but they stunk along with Pujara.This will their last chance and hopefully we find batsmen who are more than just HTB.

 

I am not against Pandya but I don't find Pandya improving and India is wasting golden years of Kohli and very good performances of bowlers due to these inept players.

True. It's not a problem regarding one test player. There are many under performers.

[Khota]

Hardik Pandya gave the most runs of all bowlers in this T20  series.

He gave almost twice the runs as the other spinner.

He has no spot in the team.

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 minutes ago, Khota said:

Hardik Pandya gave the most runs of all bowlers in this T20  series.

He gave almost twice the runs as the other spinner.

He has no spot in the team.

hardik pandya didnt play t20 series 

he was injured 

[Khota]

4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

hardik pandya didnt play t20 series 

he was injured 

Typo. The other brother but both suck anyway.

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 minutes ago, Khota said:

Typo. The other brother but both suck anyway.

krunal won u the final games in aus t20 series 

Hardik won the final games in eng t20 series

 

Both took 4 wkts haul overseas in t20....huge feet 

 

Damn we need more useless player like these

[philcric]

K Pandya 5 wickets in the series, the highest among both the sides  

 

MOM in one of the games 

 

Edited November 27, 2018 by philcric

[putrevus]

Wow now we have people singing praises of Binny, I have seen it all. 

[putrevus]

8 minutes ago, philcric said:

K Pandya 5 wickets in the series, the highest among both the sides  

 

MOM in one of the games 

 

Jadeja was bowler of the series in CT 2013 , does anyone here want Jadeja in their odi team.Krunal will get more matches like first than last two if his bowling is not upto to standard.