Viv Richards: I'd pick Sachin over Lara

[Ankit_sharma03]

Apni apni choice hai 

Even ill pick Lara over sachin in test but sachin over Lara in ODI 

[zen]

44 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Apni apni choice hai 

Even ill pick Lara over sachin in test but sachin over Lara in ODI 

Picking Lara in Tests and Sachin in ODIs is a smart thing to do. Even in an Ind ATG Test 11, Sachin should not be the first choice 

[Muloghonto]

3 hours ago, putrevus said:

Show me one innings where this so called destroyer destroyed a perfectly good bowling attack. You are only guy who thinks scoring fast does not help in test cricket.Aussies dominated world cricket based on that mantra only.He was a compiler of highest order nothing more than that, even in odis his domination mostly was in Asian conditions.  

 

Just because he was better than his team mates he does not become world's best.

Sachin at his peak batted at 75-85 strike rate when scoring centuries - which is the strike rate of Lara, Viv, etc. with ONLY Gillchrist, Sehwag and Warner regularly scoring tons at a higher strike rate. Ergo, he was a dominant batsman at his peak by WORLD standards.

 

You keep shifting goal-posts. First, show he can dominate, now show he can dominate against xyz. I've already demonstrated, you now jack$hit about test cricket.  It is clear you started watching test cricket in this new millenia, so you have no grasp of REAL test cricket. 

[zen]

Ind ATG 11 from retired players 

 

Gavaskar (first choice batsman) 

Sehwag

Dravid

Tendulkar

Laxman

Mankad 

Kapil

Dhoni / Engineer (WKs who can bat too)

Srinath 

Zaheer

Chandra 

 

 

[putrevus]

55 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Sachin at his peak batted at 75-85 strike rate when scoring centuries - which is the strike rate of Lara, Viv, etc. with ONLY Gillchrist, Sehwag and Warner regularly scoring tons at a higher strike rate. Ergo, he was a dominant batsman at his peak by WORLD standards.

 

You keep shifting goal-posts. First, show he can dominate, now show he can dominate against xyz. I've already demonstrated, you now jack$hit about test cricket.  It is clear you started watching test cricket in this new millenia, so you have no grasp of REAL test cricket. 

I am not shifting anything.Show me one scorecard where  Sachin dominated any good attack especially fast bowling attack.Just becuase he scored some 100s at 75 strike he does not become dominant.I have perfect grasp of test cricket and  I only watch test cricket and to some extent odis.

[Muloghonto]

25 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I am not shifting anything.Show me one scorecard where  Sachin dominated any good attack especially fast bowling attack.Just becuase he scored some 100s at 75 strike he does not become dominant.I have perfect grasp of test cricket and  I only watch test cricket and to some extent odis.

You have zero grasp of test cricket, which is demonstrated by the fact that you actually prioritized fastest 100s, 200s etc. to actually be of any relevance in test cricket. 

Sachin has dominated plenty of good fast bowling attacks. Of many such innings, him beating Donald and Pollock to a pulp in Capetown comes to mind.

His 114 in Perth too, which Bradman and Ian Chappell both said is amongst the best, if not the best innings ever played in Australia by a visiting batsman. 

 

[zen]

Also note that vs relatively strong teams Aus, SA and Eng 

• Lara played 79 of his 131 tests, which is 60% of his tests, where he avgs 54 with a SR of 60
• Tendulkar played 96 of his 200 tests, which is 48% of his tests, where he avgs 51 with a SR of 54. The avg of 51 is also helped by 16 not outs  

 

Lara

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	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
unfiltered	1990-2006	131	232	6	11953	400*	52.88	19753	60.51	34	48	17	1559	88	Profile
filtered	1992-2005	79	144	5	7554	400*	54.34	12513	60.36	20	31	10	1039	47

 

 

Tendulkar

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	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
unfiltered	1989-2013	200	329	33	15921	248*	53.78	29437+	54.04*	51	68	14	2058+	69	Profile
filtered	1990-2013	96	172	16	7906	241*	50.67	14613	54.10	25	34	7	1033	42

 

 

Lara has played a higher percentage of his tests vs stronger teams. His avg vs these strong teams is higher than his career average. And he has fewer not outs!  

 

 

 

McGrath + Warne led Aus is considered as a great example of a strong attack with variety. When both McGrath and Warne played:

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
BC Lara (WI)	1995-2005	15	28	2	1388	226	53.38	2371	58.54	4	5	1	187	8
VVS Laxman (INDIA)	1999-2004	9	17	0	777	281	45.70	1272	61.08	2	3	1	125	0
SR Tendulkar (INDIA)	1999-2004	7	14	0	592	126	42.28	1067	55.48	2	4	1	76	3
R Dravid (INDIA)	1999-2004	9	17	0	540	180	31.76	1597	33.81	1	2	2	62	1

 

Tendulkar has only played 7 tests when both McGrath and Warne were in the 11. While Lara played 15 (twice as Tendulkar), where he avgs 53 vs Tendulkar's 42  

 

 

When Donald or Pollock were in the 11:

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
BC Lara (WI)	1992-2005	16	31	0	1326	202	42.77	2630	50.41	2	9	1	194	12
SR Tendulkar (INDIA)	1992-2007	18	33	2	1105	169	35.64	2259	48.91	3	4	2	166	5
CH Gayle (WI)	2001-2005	9	17	0	1009	317	59.35	1772	56.94	3	2	0	156	5
R Dravid (INDIA)	1996-2007	14	27	2	891	148	35.64	2559	34.81	1	4	0	116	0

 

 

When Murali played for SL:

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
BC Lara (WI)	1993-2003	8	14	1	1125	221	86.53	1974	56.99	5	2	1	119	8
V Sehwag (INDIA)	2005-2010	9	15	1	1031	293	73.64	1032	99.90	4	2	1	150	15
SR Tendulkar (INDIA)	1993-2010	19	26	1	1216	143	48.64	2371	51.28	5	4	0	153	4
R Dravid (INDIA)	1997-2010	16	26	1	1190	177	47.60	2621	45.40	2	7	0	137	4

 

Edited December 14, 2018 by zen

[putrevus]

2 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

You have zero grasp of test cricket, which is demonstrated by the fact that you actually prioritized fastest 100s, 200s etc. to actually be of any relevance in test cricket. 

Sachin has dominated plenty of good fast bowling attacks. Of many such innings, him beating Donald and Pollock to a pulp in Capetown comes to mind.

His 114 in Perth too, which Bradman and Ian Chappell both said is amongst the best, if not the best innings ever played in Australia by a visiting batsman. 

 

He playyed 200 tests and you are scrambling to find two innings and that says it all.

 

His 114 was not at all one of the great test innings ., it was a great innings for a 18 year old.Heck it was not even best innings of the match and people are somehow making it as all time great innings.

Again Capetown 1997 Azhar scored a better rate than Sachin.There is a reason why  none of the innings of Sachin's 200 tests career are featured in Wisden top 100 innings.

Why you guys can't accept Sachin was very good but he is no Bradman who was so far better than his peers.Sachin is all about longevity rather than domination.

[Muloghonto]

34 minutes ago, putrevus said:

He playyed 200 tests and you are scrambling to find two innings and that says it all.

I named two innings off the top of my head. 

 

34 minutes ago, putrevus said:

His 114 was not at all one of the great test innings ., it was a great innings for a 18 year old.Heck it was not even best innings of the match and people are somehow making it as all time great innings.

It was. Professionals with 10 times the credibility as a random internet troll like you have said so. Their opinion > your opinion. 

34 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Again Capetown 1997 Azhar scored a better rate than Sachin.There is a reason why  none of the innings of Sachin's 200 tests career are featured in Wisden top 100 innings.

So ? That does not change the fact that he DID destroy Donald and Pollock in that test. Someone else destroying others does not change what YOU are doing, dum-dum. 

34 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Why you guys can't accept Sachin was very good but he is no Bradman who was so far better than his peers.Sachin is all about longevity rather than domination.

He is the best ever since Bradman. Stats show us so, the consensus amongst experts says so. That is enough and definitely outweighs what random internet trolls who don't even understand test cricket or were around to see test cricket before ODI influences  think of. Clear ?