Jadeja or Bhuvi for Perth?

[Adi BB]

2 hours ago, Nikola said:

I would want Jadeja & Vihari as first choice but Jadeja & Bhuvi isn't bad choice. You can't go with Bhuvi + Vihari as you need one specialist spinner in team.

Why?on greentops what's the use of a spinner? We cant waste a bowling spot just for filling in overs .in joberg our TM was bold enough to go with 4 Pacers and it worked great 

[vvvslaxman]

7 minutes ago, Adi BB said:

Bhuvi at 8 and vihari at 6.no need for a useless spinner especially on a greentop .

I actually want umesh to play over bhuvi,its the perfect pitch for his short pitch bowling but then bhuvi will get the nod for his batting 

It is unfair to sit someone who took 10fer in his last match out especially on a fast pitch. He could go either way. But we are purely judging him based on his ODI exploits.

[Global.Baba]

7 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

what does Jadeja lacks when compared to Vihari as a specialist batsman? Jadeja too has 56+ avg: in domestic. Jadeja has  3 300+ scores. Jadeja    plays in the top 6  for his ranji side. He has taken on quality oppostion players like  Kumble, Kohli,Rahane,Laxman,Gambhir etc etc when he played  in ranji trophy, duleep trophy etc etc. He avg:s 50+ in test itself  for the last 2 years or so.He has played some crucial knocks during this time period, which other wise would even have resulted in IND losing home series ,he  performed brilliantly with the bat in what ever few oppertunities with the bat even abroad    thus proving his mental toughness. To add to that he is a left  hander.So I am curious to know as to why you prefer Vihari over Jadeja... 

Jadeja’s domestic batting exploits are legendary lol. He probably has better FC record than Kohli and Rahane as well. He is picked in the international squad for his bowling and Vihari has been picked for his batting. Simple.

 

If this was SCG were 2 spinners are needed, given both Ashwin and Jadeja can bat you can expect a 5+1+5 combo with a longer lower order. On this expected green mamba track 6+1+4 is what is required. Vihari’s parttime bowling is just an added advantage. At this point he is replacing Rohit. If Jadeja replaces a fastbowler on this track,it is stupidity as the need of the hour is 4 fast bowlers. As we need 6 specialist bats,Vihari fits in.

 

Jadeja has done nothing in international cricket as a batsman to show that he can be picked ahead of a specialist batsman.

 

If TM feels Vihari is not good enough then they should play a different bat like they did with rohit in the 1st test. Jadeja is not competing with Vihari, he is competing with the 4th bowler that is probably Bhuvi and it is a no brainer that Bhuvi over Jadeja on this track. 

 

You cant pick Jadeja as a specialist 6th bat. He will be a waste as his 25-30 overs won’t be needed. Plain and simple.

[Adi BB]

2 hours ago, sandeep said:

Talent is ruled out due to injury.  How about - 

 

KL Rahul

Parthiv Patel

Pujara

Kohli

Rahane

Vihari

Jadeja

Bhuvi

Ishant

Shami

Bumrah.

 

Patel has proven himself to be a more reliable batsman than Pant.  And he can slot in at the top, allowing us to pay Vihari at #6 as well.  

 

Obviously with the declared 13, Patel is out of the question, but I think this would be India's best XI for Perth, all things considered.

Forget about his 20-30 runs contribution (which even pant added) ,Patel will drop half the catches that comes his way and that's the match there!

We should not repeat the mistake of playing a bad keeper again,still remember his crucial drops in centurion 

[sourab10forever]

Ash bowled close to 90 overs in the first test.

We definitely need a workhorse spinner.

 

Play Jadeja and Bhuvi

 

 

[Adi BB]

6 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

It is unfair to sit someone who took 10fer in his last match out especially on a fast pitch. He could go either way. But we are purely judging him based on his ODI exploits.

So true ,umesh has never got a chance to bowl on dream wkts like saf,nzl and England. He always got the other side of the coin and mostly plays on flattish pitches 

[CSK Fan]

25 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

It is unfair to sit someone who took 10fer in his last match out especially on a fast pitch. He could go either way. But we are purely judging him based on his ODI exploits.

LMAO, the irony after judging Bhuvi based on his LOI performance. Did Bhuvi get chance against weak teams? 

Edited December 13, 2018 by CSK Fan

[NareshK]

I think Jadeja will get in because of his batting and need a spinner to keep it tight, give other fast bowlers some rest and because of over rate.

 

Bhuvi will be an inspired pick though because he is no longer only a "swing bowler". He can bowl back of length, hit the deck and get some bounce and knows how to keep it tight and has the brains to set up the batsmen. Can bat decently as well.

 

Umesh looks a decent option but then you are looking at a big tail with Pant being a hit or miss kind of batsman.

 

Vihari will be picked in place of Rohit because batting looks shaky, lower order is fragile, cant just go in with 5 batsmen.

 

 

Edited December 13, 2018 by NareshK

[sandeep]

18 minutes ago, Adi BB said:

Forget about his 20-30 runs contribution (which even pant added) ,Patel will drop half the catches that comes his way and that's the match there!

We should not repeat the mistake of playing a bad keeper again,still remember his crucial drops in centurion 

Pant dropped 2 catches in Adelaide didn't he?  Patel isn't much of a downgrade from him on the gloves side.

[rtmohanlal]

12 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

Jadeja’s domestic batting exploits are legendary lol. He probably has better FC record than Kohli and Rahane as well. He is picked in the international squad for his bowling and Vihari has been picked for his batting. Simple.

 

If this was SCG were 2 spinners are needed, given both Ashwin and Jadeja can bat you can expect a 5+1+5 combo with a longer lower order. On this expected green mamba track 6+1+4 is what is required. Vihari’s parttime bowling is just an added advantage. At this point he is replacing Rohit. If Jadeja replaces a fastbowler on this track,it is stupidity as the need of the hour is 4 fast bowlers. As we need 6 specialist bats,Vihari fits in.

 

Jadeja has done nothing in international cricket as a batsman to show that he can be picked ahead of a specialist batsman.

 

If TM feels Vihari is not good enough then they should play a different bat like they did with rohit in the 1st test. Jadeja is not competing with Vihari, he is competing with the 4th bowler that is probably Bhuvi and it is a no brainer that Bhuvi over Jadeja on this track. 

 

You cant pick Jadeja as a specialist 6th bat. He will be a waste as his 25-30 overs won’t be needed. Plain and simple.

When I asked for your reasons for picking  Vihari over Jadeja I expected some logical reasons, but sorry to say your reasons  do not contain any sense what so ever. Some are far from truth, some are not related to the question at all.So , any  way you believe in what ever you want, so shall I .

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, Forever Indian said:

Can't really say as of now, but got 3 wickets in the 2nd innings of last test in England.

as long as he can provide relief to fast bowlers, I am ok with four fast bowlers with Bhuvi as one of them.

[sandeep]

22 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

Jadeja has done nothing in international cricket as a batsman to show that he can be picked ahead of a specialist batsman.

If not for an umpire's *up, Vihari may not even be in this squad right now.  So its not like Vihari has made that great a case as a  "specialist batsman" either.  That's why the team chose to play Rohit ahead of him in T1.    And if you are pushing for Vihari for his bowling, then its no contest on that front with Jadeja.

[NareshK]

5 bowlers is an overkill on bowler friendly wickets as one bowler will surely be under bowled. You'd rather go with a regular batsman as one good knock will make a huge difference. 

[Adi BB]

8 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Pant dropped 2 catches in Adelaide didn't he?  Patel isn't much of a downgrade from him on the gloves side.

You sure mate? Patel is down write horrible with the gloves ,I have never felt comfortable with him keeping. 

Pant is poor with his footwork but he takes most of the catches and still in learning curve ,pappu Patel on the other hand drops sitters .

I have no problem with pappu the batsman,its his keeping skills that can easily lose us test matches 

[vvvslaxman]

26 minutes ago, CSK Fan said:

LMAO, the irony after judging Bhuvi based on his LOI performance. Did Bhuvi get chance against weak teams? 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/10768/scorecard/1041761/india-vs-bangladesh-only-test-bangladesh-tour-of-india-2016-17

 

Both played against BD. Umesh got 3 wickets. Bhuvi grand total of 1 wicket in  2 innings.

[Global.Baba]

18 minutes ago, sandeep said:

If not for an umpire's *up, Vihari may not even be in this squad right now.  So its not like Vihari has made that great a case as a  "specialist batsman" either.  That's why the team chose to play Rohit ahead of him in T1.    And if you are pushing for Vihari for his bowling, then its no contest on that front with Jadeja.

On that benchmark no rookie batsman will ever fit in ahead of the legendary Jadeja.Looks like you want to discredit a rookie’s 50 in tough conditions just to fit your favorite Jadeja in . By the same account Vihari ended up with better bowling figures than Jadeja in that 2nd innings. No one in their right mind says Vihari is a better bowler than Jadeja

 

 Now this is highlighting a bias rather than constructive thinking.

 

You are getting so set in your ways that I guess logic is going beyond your head.

 

Where did I say Vihari is the best thing since slice bread. Yes TM probably thought Rohit was a better bat but they also thought 6 bats is the need of the hour. By that account Vihari gets in as a replacement to the “niggled” 6th bat.

 

You may rate or not rate Vihari but the fact is he is picked as a specialist bat and there is no other option available right now.

 

His bowling is just a good bonus to have and that is a moot point.

 

Jadeja is competing with a bowler and not a batsman. I don’t think he adds value on this pitch with his bowling . If you think he would do better than a 4th seamer that is a fair point. We might be on the different side of that debate but atleast I can respect that.

 

Just to fit Jadeja in, him replacing a guy who is a specialist bat is ridiculous.

 

If Rahul and Vijay are returning binary figures than should  they have to be replaced with another opener  or say Kuldeep Yadav? because you think he will get 10 runs more than them.

 

How is that simple logic going beyond you?

Edited December 13, 2018 by Global.Baba

[Global.Baba]

So @sandeep wants Patel who cost us a series win in  Aus with his atrocious keeping  to replace Pant who just made a world record and Jadeja to be fit in ahead of a specialist bat. Might as well bring combined Saurashtra and Baroda X1 to keep him happy. Pretty sure they can bash these pathetic Aussies as well  

 

We will see a shootout between D’arcy short and Yusuf Pathan a battle for their ages. 

[sandeep]

10 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

So @sandeep wants Patel who cost us a series win in  Aus with his atrocious keeping  to replace Pant who just made a world record and Jadeja to be fit in ahead of a specialist bat. Might as well bring combined Saurashtra and Baroda X1 to keep him happy. Pretty sure they can bash these pathetic Aussies as well  

 

We will see a shootout between D’arcy short and Yusuf Pathan a battle for their ages. 

What I want is a knockout blow to Australia at Perth with 5 bowlers.  The Kangaroo is limping.  I want to go for its jugular and not leave any room to breathe.  If only our batsmen were reliable enough to select 5 bowlers without having to resort to unproven newbies like Vihari for a few overs of harmless part-time darts. 

 

 

Edited December 13, 2018 by sandeep

[vvvslaxman]

17 minutes ago, sandeep said:

What I want is a knockout blow to Australia at Perth with 5 bowlers.  The Kangaroo is limping.  I want to go for its jugular and not leave any room to breathe.  If only our batsmen were reliable enough to select 5 bowlers without having to resort to unproven newbies like Vihari for a few overs of harmless part-time darts. 

 

 

Some of them are technically woeful. Handscomb has a ridiculous stance deep inside the crease. There are half a dozen ways you can rattle him. Marsh is low in confidence despite his 50. Finch has technical issue. Harris is a noob. 

[sandeep]

15 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Some of them are technically woeful. Handscomb has a ridiculous stance deep inside the crease. There are half a dozen ways you can rattle him. Marsh is low in confidence despite his 50. Finch has technical issue. Harris is a noob. 

That's why I'm tempted to take that risk with 5 bowlers.  For all the talk about "green mambas" and pace and bounce, its a goddam drop-in pitch.  It might be tough to bat on early on, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if it eases out on d2 and d3.  And especially if we are in a hole due to either losing the toss or batting badly, having a full strength bowling attack can keep us in the game.  And Both Bhuvi and Jadeja aren't useless with the bat either.