Vilander Posted January 9, 2019 Posted January 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Alam_dar said: I am afraid this is a misinformation. It often happens that predators eat their prey alive. The most human way that has been adopted by the predators is when they attack the neck and cut the WINDPIPE. But still this is very painful for the prey as blood still circulating and prey feels the complete pain. While hunters way of slitting the under half of throat (known as Halal today) is much more human, while cutting of the carotid arteries takes 10 seconds (for small animals like sheep) to 30 seconds (for larger animals like cattle), and after than animal is unconscious due to the lack of blood in the brain. Then there are still unintentional movements in the muscles, but they are cramps which are caused due to the lack of blood. Unfortunately, it is the NATURE which is cruel. Look how lions are eating their prey alive stunning them before halal is better. but i guess Islam won't allow that as they do not want to reform. velu 1
Alam_dar Posted January 9, 2019 Posted January 9, 2019 2 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Worse the explanation given to subjecting them to extreme pain in their last moments of their lives, is.. - It tastes better - More purer meat (bringing in religion) PETA should be campaigning against these practices when they get time off from complaining about subjecting pets to noise from diwali crackers. There is no problem in making scientific studies about different types of slaughtering methods and their benefits or harms, and finding out the optimal way. The support or opposition to any method should not happen due to the religious reasons, but only due to the scientific reasons. This debate in India will have several angles to it. For example: 1. Pain Debate 2. Halal VS Jhatka Debate 3. Total ban debate 4. Sacrifice, stunning etc. Pain Debate is most important one, and the solution is which Europe followed i.e. stunning the animal. Afterwards it makes no difference if one kills in Halal style or Jhatka style. Halal VS Jhatka debate is complex. It is going to bring no benefits if we try only to criticize/demonize Halal and Islam without criticizing Jhatka and Sikh/Hindu religion. Muslims will be able to very easily counter this one sided campaign. Reasons is this that Muslims come up with a scientific study which shows that death (unconsciousness) is caused within 10 seconds (for sheep/goats) due to lack of blood, and it is the same for Jhatka too where death (unconsciousness) is caused due to the lack of blood too. But the difference is this that in Jhatka, the "Spinal Cord" is also cut. Due to this, the nerves going to heart are also cut off immediately, and the heart stops beating (i.e. immediate heart attack in many cases), and thus the blood also stops running in the veins and arteries. But there are cases where the animal does not get this immediate heart attack after Jhatka, and the heart keeps on beating. In this scenario, animal keeps it's movements almost just like in Halal slaughter. Please watch the following video where Jhatka has been done, but still the animal is able to do the movements after many seconds, while the animal didn't get the heart attack. Thus Muslim argument is this that: 1. Amount of pain felt by the animal before becoming unconscious in both Jhatka and Halal is exactly the same, while death (unconsciousness) is due to the lack of blood, which is same in both methods. 2. And even if the heart keeps on beating, and animal is able to make unintentional moves due to cramps, still animal is unable to feel this pain while brain is already dead. 3. They also cite that Jhatka may be suitable for small animals like goats/sheep, but for bigger buffalo and cows, it is not suitable and people have to strike multiple times to achieve the goal. 4. They claim pain difference in Jhatka Vs Halal in negligible (if any), while Halal is producing superior hygienic meat. Muslims will keep on boasting that Halal Meat is hygienic and better than Jhatka: All Scientific studies are proving that blood carries germs, bacteria and TOXINS. And You cannot stop Muslims from boasting this and using it as an argument that Islam is the true religion. You cannot stop Muslims from doing this propaganda. All Muslim population has already been brainwashed under this propaganda. Even many Western people also become confused by looking at the scientific proofs that are presented by the Muslim preachers. Even in India, you could see the scientific study in "Times of India" (posted above) where Hindu Researcher was fully convinced with Muslim arguments in light of his scientific research. You are not going to win this propaganda war against Muslims by simply coming up with the Pain argument. Especially, when Stunning+Halal method has also been introduced after which Pain argument becomes totally irrelevant. Only way to stop Muslim Propaganda is to make world realize that practice of Halal has nothing to do with Islam: As I already mentioned earlier, Halal slaughter was not invented by Muslims, but it was the preferred way by the Hunters before Islam. The old pre Islamic Arabia had already been using this method to kill the camels and sheep even before Islam. Therefore, the credit of this method does not go to Islam in any way. Muhammad was simply following the practice of the pre Islamic Arabian custom.
Alam_dar Posted January 9, 2019 Posted January 9, 2019 22 minutes ago, Vilander said: stunning them before halal is better. but i guess Islam won't allow that as they do not want to reform. It seems heavy majority of Muslims have already accepted it, and fatwas by Al-Azhar university, Saudi Muftis and Shia Iranian Mujtahids all have allowed the Muslims in Europe to eat the meat of that animal which has been slaughtered in Halal way after stunning. There are very few voices among Muslims which are still opposing the stunning process. I believe that in India, stunning law will get more resistance by Muslims as compared to Europe, where Muslims were helpless against strict laws.
Alam_dar Posted January 9, 2019 Posted January 9, 2019 7 hours ago, velu said: i follow "The food ranger" but mark weins has more subscibers than the food ranger .. even i like the taste of bone marrows .. i dont eat organs other than liver I forgot to mention that liver is the least tasting organ (along with kidney, tribe). Heart and tongue are much tastier, but people don't show enough courage to eat them. Testicles and udder taste even better than heart- They are really soft and tasty, but people are most afraid of them. While marrow and brain are perhaps the most tasty organs. Nevertheless, liver has the most nutritional value among them.
Vilander Posted January 9, 2019 Posted January 9, 2019 38 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: While marrow and brain are perhaps the most tasty organs. wow thats graphic.
Muloghonto Posted January 9, 2019 Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Alam_dar said: I forgot to mention that liver is the least tasting organ (along with kidney, tribe). Heart and tongue are much tastier, but people don't show enough courage to eat them. Testicles and udder taste even better than heart- They are really soft and tasty, but people are most afraid of them. While marrow and brain are perhaps the most tasty organs. Nevertheless, liver has the most nutritional value among them. Completely disagree. I like the taste of liver & kidneys more than heart. Testicles taste bad. Brain - animal brain tasted like tasteless fat, fish brains is a different story. Taste is a personal choice - what is tasty to me isnt tasty to others and vice versa. Liver is marginal in its nutritonal value because its full of toxins. Its a great source of iron but eating it more than once a month or so is bad for health. Edited January 9, 2019 by Muloghonto
Muloghonto Posted January 9, 2019 Posted January 9, 2019 2 hours ago, coffee_rules said: WHat is involved in stunning? basically stunning is inducing seizures in the animal using a high voltage current from a stun-gun to the head/brain stem. The rationale is, it is more humane, because when your brain is undergoing seizure, it cannot feel pain. So stunning before slicing through the neck basically blocks the pain/anxiety sensation to the animal. The best way is a bullet to the brain stem that immediately severs all pain receptors from the body and the brain itself cannot feel pain (ie, if you are kept concious and someone exposed your brain and touched it, you will not feel the touch to the brain). but industrially speaking, its expensive and dangerous to shoot animals in the back of the head several million times per day.
Zero_Unit Posted January 11, 2019 Posted January 11, 2019 On 1/7/2019 at 10:35 PM, Texy said: Belgium ban on kosher and halal slaughter methods comes into effect is halal a cruel way to slaughter ? I mean when you cut the animal's throat and watch it bleed to death while the lungs gets filled with blood, what do you think? The way we treat animals, am trying my best to go vegan till lab meat becomes a widespread. Its sickening.
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