Jofra Archer misses out on England's preliminary World Cup squad, but can make it to the squad after pakistan series

[putrevus]

6 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

bowling average of 26 is world class in this era in ODI cricket especially if you play most of your cricket on Indian pitches.  i would say 30 is the new 25 and 25 is the new 20 in ODI cricket because par scores are 300 these days.

I don't think so. Bumrah and Starc are averaging in low 20s. 26 is good but not world class.

Edited April 17, 2019 by putrevus

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Cummins in ODIs has 1.7 wickets per match, Mcgrath 1.5 wickets per match.  How is Cummins not world class then?

Becuase wickets taken in odis need to have context of eco rate. Mcgrath eco rate makes him better even if you take inflated scoring into account.

[rkt.india]

16 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I don't think so. Bumrah and Starc are averaging in low 20s. 26 is good but not world class.

So if Starc and Bumrah averaging 22, that does not mean Cummins is not world class. Starc and Bumrah in 90s or early 2000s would have been just other worldly. As i said 25 is the new 20, 30 is the new 25.

[rkt.india]

15 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Becuase wickets taken in odis need to have context of eco rate. Mcgrath eco rate makes him better even if you take inflated scoring into account.

you have to take everything into account and not just ER.  You have to take general scoring rates and high wickets per match from Cummins as well.  You have to also take in to account other contemporary bowlers how they performed in the same era.  Like Mcgrath isnt the only one who had great ER in his era.  So, it was not that rare.  While in this era, not many fast bowlers averages 26 or less in ODIs.  Exclude Starc and Bumrah and there are not any.

[putrevus]

7 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

you have to take everything into account and not just ER.  You have to take general scoring rates and high wickets per match from Cummins as well.  You have to also take in to account other contemporary bowlers how they performed in the same era.  Like Mcgrath isnt the only one who had great ER in his era.  So, it was not that rare.  While in this era, not many fast bowlers averages 26 or less in ODIs.  Exclude Starc and Bumrah and there are not any.

Cummins, Rabada will get in low 20s once they play enough matches.Shami is not in their class.I disagree you cannot avg 26 and call yourself world class.

 

[rkt.india]

8 hours ago, putrevus said:

Cummins, Rabada will get in low 20s once they play enough matches.Shami is not in their class.I disagree you cannot avg 26 and call yourself world class.

 

Mesurement in every era is different. You cant judge bowlers today based on 90s criteria. As i said 25 is the new 20 because par scores have changed. Early 20 was the criteria when par score was 250-275. Now par score is 300, so criteria of bowling average also increases. Bowling averages have increased because economy rates have increased and Economy rates have increased because par scores have increased.

 

Shami has 1.79 wickets per match which is as good as any especially for some one bowling on indian pitched. Keep context in mind and stop rotting numbers.

Edited April 18, 2019 by rkt.india

[Nikhil_cric]

2 hours ago, Stumped said:

Woakes has been our best pace bowler since the last world cup in addition to being an extremely useful all rounder.

England don't need more all-rounders. They have plenty of firepower in their batting. Add archer to the likes of current Mark wood, Plunkett, stokes and the spinners and that bowling would be on par with India and SA as well. You would have all bases covered. Woakes is too injury probe and a liability . But yeah if not him ,Tom Curran should be replaced. 

[Vilander]

their bowling without archer will be poor will be exploited by Aus/India batting at the least. 

[Vilander]

Ashwin should have been in there just to rile up buttler and rest of poms.

[putrevus]

15 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Mesurement in every era is different. You cant judge bowlers today based on 90s criteria. As i said 25 is the new 20 because par scores have changed. Early 20 was the criteria when par score was 250-275. Now par score is 300, so criteria of bowling average also increases. Bowling averages have increased because economy rates have increased and Economy rates have increased because par scores have increased.

 

Shami has 1.79 wickets per match which is as good as any especially for some one bowling on indian pitched. Keep context in mind and stop rotting numbers.

Nonsense , great bowler will be great in any era. Your economy rate might be more but you still need to avg in low 20s to be great bowler.Shami is not a shutdown bowler, he is good but not in ATG category.