kumar713 223 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 On 9/5/2019 at 10:32 PM, Gollum said: To all tennis fans here, this is fairly self-explanatory. Choose the best among the Big 3 in various attributes like serve, ROS, FH etc. Pick the peak versions of the players. Ofc this might sound silly because grips and technique won't change so fluidly to accommodate the varying styles, just for fun. Aim is to construct the perfect player combining qualities of these 3 titans. I'll begin: Serve- Federer in every aspect of it, variety, placement, precision, tactics, 1st/2nd serve etc ROS- Djokovic Standard FH- Federer Inside Out, Down the Line FH- Nadal Standard BH- Djokovic BH DTL- Djokovic BH CC- Nadal BH Slice- Federer Volley- Federer (Nadal's net game is underrated but doesn't make impossible volleys like the Swiss...less variety as well) Half-Volley- Federer One-two punch- Federer Speed- Nadal Stamina- Nadal Defence- Djokovic, except on clay where Nadal reigns supreme because of his movement Footwork- Federer Touch- Federer Smash- Federer Dropshot- Federer Lob- Djokovic Tweener, SABR, trick shots etc- Federer Pick up- Nadal Change of direction- Djokovic Flexibility/Stretchability- Djokovic Tennis IQ- Nadal Patience- Nadal Defence to Offence transition- Djokovic Depth and angles in groundstrokes- Djokovic BP conversion- Djokovic, except on clay where Nadal is untouchable Mental Toughness, nerves- Djokovic Luck- Nadal (sorry couldn't resist ) Feel free to add more features/attributes/shots I may have missed. will post mine soon Link to post Share on other sites
Gollum 26,226 Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 On 10/2/2019 at 12:07 PM, kumar713 said: will post mine soon Waiting Link to post Share on other sites
Gollum 26,226 Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 Tennis IQ: I think Nole is ahead of Nadal now. Mental toughness plus legs is key when it comes to 5th set record and Nole towers over his 2 great rivals here. Also his ROS is the greatest shot in tennis history. Give that weapon to a 50th ranked player and he will become top 10 in a jiffy, that's how extraordinary I think it is. kumar713 1 Link to post Share on other sites
I6MTW 709 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 8 hours ago, Gollum said: Tennis IQ: I think Nole is ahead of Nadal now. Mental toughness plus legs is key when it comes to 5th set record and Nole towers over his 2 great rivals here. Also his ROS is the greatest shot in tennis history. Give that weapon to a 50th ranked player and he will become top 10 in a jiffy, that's how extraordinary I think it is. I actually think Murray and Agassi are up there in terms of ROS. Agassi certainly had the most attacking ROS of all time which resulted in straight winners. And that was in an era of fast courts, surface variety, serve and volley etc. Link to post Share on other sites
Gollum 26,226 Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, I6MTW said: I actually think Murray and Agassi are up there in terms of ROS. Agassi certainly had the most attacking ROS of all time which resulted in straight winners. And that was in an era of fast courts, surface variety, serve and volley etc. But the way Nole sets up the point after ROS, immediately putting the server on backfoot. Forget angles and straight winners, Look at the depth man, remember SW19 2015 where Fed put on a serving masterclass against Murray in SF, in the final Nole's returns were landing near his feet. Agassi's was a high risk game, when it didn't come off he often looked helpless....not as consistent as the Serbian, didn't get as many returns in play but you can make argument about court speed back then. He didn't have the Serbian's wingspan: height+flexibility combo. Also Nole always seems in control, knows exactly where he wants to put the ball while Agassi was instinctive often hoping for the best. Still I would have him as undisputed 2nd best. Murray has a small edge against giant servebots like Isner/Anderson but anything apart from that Nole blows him out of the water. Murray's ROS is better than Fed/Nadal FACT. Ferrer too deserves a mention here. kumar713 and I6MTW 2 Link to post Share on other sites
I6MTW 709 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Gollum said: But the way Nole sets up the point after ROS, immediately putting the server on backfoot. Forget angles and straight winners, Look at the depth man, remember SW19 2015 where Fed put on a serving masterclass against Murray in SF, in the final Nole's returns were landing near his feet. Agassi's was a high risk game, when it didn't come off he often looked helpless....not as consistent as the Serbian, didn't get as many returns in play but you can make argument about court speed back then. He didn't have the Serbian's wingspan: height+flexibility combo. Also Nole always seems in control, knows exactly where he wants to put the ball while Agassi was instinctive often hoping for the best. Still I would have him as undisputed 2nd best. Murray has a small edge against giant servebots like Isner/Anderson but anything apart from that Nole blows him out of the water. Murray's ROS is better than Fed/Nadal FACT. Ferrer too deserves a mention here. Ferrer, Nishikori, and Nalbandian had great ROS. Nadal's ROS is quite overrated outside of clay. He struggles against big servers with one-two punch game. Federer ROS was underrated imo. In his prime he was one of the best at handling big servers, before the likes of Nole, and Nadal came. His ROS has declined over the years, but it has improved and can still put up decent performances in recent times. Gollum 1 Link to post Share on other sites
kumar713 223 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 On 9/5/2019 at 10:32 PM, Gollum said: To all tennis fans here, this is fairly self-explanatory. Choose the best among the Big 3 in various attributes like serve, ROS, FH etc. Pick the peak versions of the players. Ofc this might sound silly because grips and technique won't change so fluidly to accommodate the varying styles, just for fun. Aim is to construct the perfect player combining qualities of these 3 titans. I'll begin: Serve- Federer in every aspect of it, variety, placement, precision, tactics, 1st/2nd serve etc ROS- Djokovic Standard FH- Federer Inside Out, Down the Line FH- Nadal Standard BH- Djokovic BH DTL- Djokovic BH CC- Nadal BH Slice- Federer Volley- Federer (Nadal's net game is underrated but doesn't make impossible volleys like the Swiss...less variety as well) Half-Volley- Federer One-two punch- Federer Speed- Nadal Stamina- Nadal Defence- Djokovic, except on clay where Nadal reigns supreme because of his movement Footwork- Federer Touch- Federer Smash- Federer Dropshot- Federer Lob- Djokovic Tweener, SABR, trick shots etc- Federer Pick up- Nadal Change of direction- Djokovic Flexibility/Stretchability- Djokovic Tennis IQ- Nadal Patience- Nadal Defence to Offence transition- Djokovic Depth and angles in groundstrokes- Djokovic BP conversion- Djokovic, except on clay where Nadal is untouchable Mental Toughness, nerves- Djokovic Luck- Nadal (sorry couldn't resist ) Feel free to add more features/attributes/shots I may have missed. Serve- Djokovic ROS- Djokovic Standard FH- Djokovic Inside Out, Down the Line FH- Djokovic Standard BH- Djokovic BH DTL- Djokovic BH CC- Djokovic BH Slice- Djokovic Volley- Djokovic Half-Volley- Djokovic One-two punch- Djokovic Speed- Djokovic Stamina- Djokovic Defence- Djokovic Footwork- Djokovic Touch- Djokovic Smash- Dropshot- Djokovic Lob- Djokovic Tweener, SABR, trick shots etc- Pick up- Djokovic Change of direction- Djokovic Flexibility/Stretchability- Djokovic Tennis IQ- Djokovic Patience- Djokovic Defence to Offence transition- Djokovic Depth and angles in groundstrokes- Djokovic BP conversion- Djokovic Mental Toughness, nerves- Djokovic Luck- Nadal Link to post Share on other sites
kumar713 223 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 23 hours ago, Gollum said: Waiting Link to post Share on other sites
kumar713 223 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 13 hours ago, Gollum said: But the way Nole sets up the point after ROS, immediately putting the server on backfoot. Forget angles and straight winners, Look at the depth man, remember SW19 2015 where Fed put on a serving masterclass against Murray in SF, in the final Nole's returns were landing near his feet. Agassi's was a high risk game, when it didn't come off he often looked helpless....not as consistent as the Serbian, didn't get as many returns in play but you can make argument about court speed back then. He didn't have the Serbian's wingspan: height+flexibility combo. Also Nole always seems in control, knows exactly where he wants to put the ball while Agassi was instinctive often hoping for the best. Still I would have him as undisputed 2nd best. Murray has a small edge against giant servebots like Isner/Anderson but anything apart from that Nole blows him out of the water. Murray's ROS is better than Fed/Nadal FACT. Ferrer too deserves a mention here. Nole's depth is sick Link to post Share on other sites
kumar713 223 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs1wZr7LOc0 ROS G.O.A.T Return Winners Edited February 8, 2020 by kumar713 Link to post Share on other sites
kumar713 223 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 14 hours ago, Gollum said: But the way Nole sets up the point after ROS, immediately putting the server on backfoot. Forget angles and straight winners, Look at the depth man, remember SW19 2015 where Fed put on a serving masterclass against Murray in SF, in the final Nole's returns were landing near his feet. Agassi's was a high risk game, when it didn't come off he often looked helpless....not as consistent as the Serbian, didn't get as many returns in play but you can make argument about court speed back then. He didn't have the Serbian's wingspan: height+flexibility combo. Also Nole always seems in control, knows exactly where he wants to put the ball while Agassi was instinctive often hoping for the best. Still I would have him as undisputed 2nd best. Murray has a small edge against giant servebots like Isner/Anderson but anything apart from that Nole blows him out of the water. Murray's ROS is better than Fed/Nadal FACT. Ferrer too deserves a mention here. Nole doesn't need to go for Straight winners. His return depth & position gives an instant advantage in the rally https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCyH8tCHhpU Link to post Share on other sites
Gollum 26,226 Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, I6MTW said: Ferrer, Nishikori, and Nalbandian had great ROS. Agree, this despite them being on the shorter side. Quote Nadal's ROS is quite overrated outside of clay. He struggles against big servers with one-two punch game. Agree once again. Also in PC if advertisement hoardings weren't so far behind he wouldn't enjoy the court so much. Same in Monte Carlo. I mean come on, look at this comedy... Quote Federer ROS was underrated imo. In his prime he was one of the best at handling big servers, before the likes of Nole, and Nadal came. His ROS has declined over the years, but it has improved and can still put up decent performances in recent times. Great hand-eye but in his peak years too much slice, block, chip returns especially on BH side...too passive against weak serves. Wish he had 2017 topspin BH then, he could have stepped closer and employed bigger backswing esp against Nadal's second serve (which he never fed to Swiss' FH side), should have ripped more returns in some of his losses in 2007-09 period. But then his racquet head was smaller which gave more sting to his legendary FH...very difficult choice, had to compromise one part of his game. He handled big servers pretty well, excellent at getting the ball back in which is ultimately what one needs to do against those giants. PS- Also read about Connors ROS, maybe someone like @Muloghonto must have seen him live....entirely different technology then but must be in conversation. Edited February 8, 2020 by Gollum Link to post Share on other sites
kumar713 223 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 On 2/9/2020 at 12:39 AM, Gollum said: Agree, this despite them being on the shorter side. Agree once again. Also in PC if advertisement hoardings weren't so far behind he wouldn't enjoy the court so much. Same in Monte Carlo. I mean come on, look at this comedy... WAC Link to post Share on other sites