Young upcoming fast bowlers thread.

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

It's not just the pace but bounce at pace. Indians are shorter.

That was said in light note

[Jay]

13 minutes ago, Mesky99 said:

Agree, height wise current pacers are all the same. Interestingly all our pacers from the 90s were tall bar agarkar. Srinath, prasad, ankola, kuruvile, Prashant vaidya, Ganesh, mohanty were all tall fellows. We on average had taller pacers than Pakistan, shorter height pacers is a bit of a recent trend in Indian cricket. Nehra, Zak, balaji, munaf,ishant all pretty tall

 

Yep nehra 6'2. Ishant 6'5, munaf 6'3 and zak 6'1. Only sreesanth was shorter and he was 5'11 ish. 

 

Sreesanth 

Nehra

Zak/munaf

 

Say what you want, but it's an underrated pace attack for LoI. Won us 2 ICC titles. Sreeaath was quite quick 137-145. 

Nehra the same. 

Zak is a slow coach though. 

 

I feel we are overthinking this whole combo factor. 

 

Just play bumrah umran and one of shami or tyagi. 

[express bowling]

48 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Bumrah doesn't bowls a lot of bouncers in LOIs...  In fact Indian pacers don't bowl any. 

Our LOI bowling is way too defensive. 

 

 

Bumrah bowls quite a few bouncers in certain matches and does not bowl any in others.

 

I want him to bowls lots of bouncers in every match and every format. 

 

It is the best set up ball.

 

And It is the most hostile delivery.

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Sharp ... but looks on the shorter side.

 

Prima facie, Aayush Thakur looks the most complete package to me.

 

 

https://youtube.com/shorts/xNuovl4EtEs?feature=share

 

Garv Sangwan

[express bowling]

There is no point in picking more than ONE short pacer in the playing 11.

 

That too if that short pacer is really good like Shami of 2016 to 2020 OR really quick bowling 150 kph.

 

Otherwise there is no point in picking a short specialist pacer. 

[express bowling]

9 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

https://youtube.com/shorts/xNuovl4EtEs?feature=share

 

Garv Sangwan

 

Tall but looks medium-fast.

Edited November 11, 2021 by express bowling

[rkt.india]

21 minutes ago, express bowling said:

There is no point in picking more than ONE short pacer in the playing 11.

 

That too if that short pacer is really good like Shami of 2016 to 2020 OR really quick bowling 150 kph.

 

Otherwise there is no point in picking a short specialist pacer. 

We don't have many tall quick bowlers to chose from.

Edited November 11, 2021 by rkt.india

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

We don't have many tall quick bowlers to chose from.

 

 

From the U19 pacers we have seen videos of lately, my 4 picks for the U19 WC would be

 

Aayush Thakur

Vasu Vats

Prince Badiani 

R.Hangargekar

 

All are tall or tallish 

All are either fast or sharp

Some of them move the ball

[rkt.india]

49 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

From the U19 pacers we have seen videos of lately, my 4 picks for the U19 WC would be

 

Aayush Thakur

Vasu Vats

Prince Badiani 

R.Hangargekar

 

All are tall or tallish 

All are either fast or sharp

Some of them move the ball

Garv Sangwan is the highest wicket taker, will get picked for sure for Asia cup at least. Badiani struggled. Dhanush Gowda second Highest wicket taker, haven't seen him yet.  There is a lad Vijay Kumar who looks sharp but was wayward in a high scoring game. He picked 8 wickets. Ayush picked 9. Vasu Vats is a shoe in for sure. Didn't play all the games. Hangargekar was average. Badiani had below average to poor tournament 

Edited November 11, 2021 by rkt.india

[express bowling]

30 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Garv Sangwan is the highest wicket taker, will get picked for sure for Asia cup at least. Badiani struggled. Dhanush Gowda second Highest wicket taker, haven't seen him yet.  There is a lad Vijay Kumar who looks sharp but was wayward in a high scoring game. He picked 8 wickets. Ayush picked 9. Vasu Vats is a shoe in for sure. Didn't play all the games. Hangargekar was average. Badiani had below average to poor tournament 

 

Going by highest wicket taker list would be a mistake on the part of selectors, if they do it.

[rkt.india]

Just now, express bowling said:

 

Going by highest wicket taker list would be a mistake on the part of selectors, if they do it.

Some bowlers didn't play all the games. Like Ayush only played 3 games. Picked 5 and 3 wickets in two of those.

[rkt.india]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Ec9pJnDg9wg?feature=share

 

This lad Vijay Kumar is sharp too. Looks sharp though can be erratic. Took 8 wickets in Challenger trophy.

 

[rkt.india]

18 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

From the U19 pacers we have seen videos of lately, my 4 picks for the U19 WC would be

 

Aayush Thakur

Vasu Vats

Prince Badiani 

R.Hangargekar

 

All are tall or tallish 

All are either fast or sharp

Some of them move the ball

Salaudeen was the highest wicket taker in Vinoo Mankad trophy. So he has wicket taking ability. They may leave Badiani out for now. 

Edited November 12, 2021 by rkt.india

[express bowling]

49 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Salaudeen was the highest wicket taker in Vinoo Mankad trophy. So he has wicket taking ability.

 

We already have short pacers in Shami and Umran. No point promoting more.

 

We have to think from the point of view of the requirements of Team India.

Edited November 12, 2021 by express bowling

[rkt.india]

25 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

We already have short pacers in Shami and Umran. No point promoting more.

 

We have think from the point of view of the requirements of Team India.

Yes but bringing tall bowler just because he is tall isn't a solution as well. We are carrying Ishant for years just because he is tall. There is no dearth of tall bowlers if you see likes of Prasidh, kartik, Avesh, Khaleel, Arshdeep, Porel are all tall but we are still ready to punt on Umran and also fairly young. Badiani at this point is reminding me of Porel. If someone can bowl quick even if he is 5'10, it's fine. A tall bowler bowling medium pace isn't worth it, IMO.

[Suhaan]

17 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Going by highest wicket taker list would be a mistake on the part of selectors, if they do it.

Selectors are just statsguru operators ,they have no clue what's going on

[rkt.india]

2 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Selectors are just statsguru operators ,they have no clue what's going on

Don't think they will go with just stats. They must have watched these games and also get feedback from the coaches of these teams and umpires.

[express bowling]

18 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Yes but bringing tall bowler just because he is tall isn't a solution as well. We are carrying Ishant for years just because he is tall. There is no dearth of tall bowlers if you see likes of Prasidh, kartik, Avesh, Khaleel, Arshdeep, Porel are all tall but we are still ready to punt on Umran and also fairly young. Badiani at this point is reminding me of Porel. If someone can bowl quick even if he is 5'10, it's fine. A tall bowler bowling medium pace isn't worth it, IMO.

 

 

 

I am NOT not talking about selecting  tall pacers ONLY.

 

My preferred pacers are. ...

 

Have wicket taking ability 

 

Plus 

 

Can bowl 145 kph+ ( or have that potential if he is U19 )

 

Plus

 

Are 5'11" or more.

 

Plus 

 

Are reasonably accurate

 

 

P.S -- Can select pacers who are less than 5'11" if they can bowl 150 kph like Umran.

 

 

Edited November 12, 2021 by express bowling

[rkt.india]

Dhanush Gowda second Highest wicket taker in Challenger trophy is very tall too. So many 6 ft 3 or more fast bowlers in this trophy. Prince Badiani, Divij Mehra, Rishith Reddy, Garv Sangwan, Dhanush Gowda, 

[express bowling]

35 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Dhanush Gowda second Highest wicket taker in Challenger trophy is very tall too. So many 6 ft 3 or more fast bowlers in this trophy. Prince Badiani, Divij Mehra, Rishith Reddy, Garv Sangwan, Dhanush Gowda, 

 

 

But what is their pace like ?