Shivum Dube is an abysmal bowler

[singhprakash72]

Poor man's Vijay Shankar...but needs to be given a run like all recent players to prove otherwise.

[Khota]

4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

no i also have told u his 5fer, 100 against SL, runs against Afghanistan

I can only count where he has played

 

 

90+ is important for u coz u pip up player who are yet to get a 50 in Sa or ENG

Do you see a problem?

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 minutes ago, Khota said:

Do you see a problem?

Before marking SL u shud have knwn that someone like Rohit failed to make a 100 in SL and pandya made one

 

which is why i never showed those

I show SA n ENG perfomance which ull say oh u milk them but he has played those tough only n better then many so called specialist who have gone their twice n yet to score a 50 

 

Edited December 16, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[Khota]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Before marking SL u shud have knwn that someone like Rohit failed to make a 100 in SL and pandya made one

 

which is why i never showed those

I show SA n ENG perfomance which ull say oh u milk them but he has played those tough only n better then many so called specialist who have gone their twice n yet to score a 50 

 

Makes Pandya greater than Rohit? Pandya has ten yeas to go before his name should be used in the same sentence as Rohit.

[putrevus]

Shankar or this guy are not really suited for odis.Pandya himself is not that great with ball.But they need to find out if he right fit for t20 world cup next year.So he needs to get as many international matches as he can before making a decosion on him.He will never win matches with his bowling , can he do it with his bat consistently to warrant a place is the question.But what position will he play if they need to play five bowlers.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, Khota said:

Makes Pandya greater than Rohit? Pandya has ten yeas to go before his name should be used in the same sentence as Rohit.

If one match makes nadeem better then Ashwin

Well atleast Pandya did better then Dhawan n Rohit in Sa, SL, ENG in test cricket

 

greater or not perfomance matter at the end of day, and he did something those specialist failed to. N if u wud have seen that afghan game u wud have we had a mini collapse when pujara, rahane , DK all failed and he came n saved the ship

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

He will never win matches with his bowling , can he do it with his bat consistently to warrant a place is the question

Wrong 

• he already has man of match on his debut in ODI for his bowling
• Also u forgot the 3rd t20 in england where england batsman were ripping us apart....pandya came n took 4 wkts n changed the game
• Won a game by his bowling in end test series 

Edited December 16, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

can he do it with his bat consistently to warrant a place is the question

how can someone be consistent batting at 7 ??

[Cricwala]

7 hours ago, ganeshran said:

125K is not the only issue. He barely gets any movement. Even in India if you bowl 125K with no lateral movement you get whacked.

 

In Australia, he will get slaughtered. He has to prove himself with the bat if he wants to make it in the XI

1. We don't have a history of producing pace bowling all-rounders. That's why Hardik is so special but even his bowling has been taken apart on occasion and I have seen some fans not rate him at all. Mind you, Hardik bowls 135k+ yet doesn't get lateral movement in india - honestly, haven't seen even frontline bowlers get lateral movement in india once ball loses shine.

 

2. Chahar, Bhuvi, Jaddu - all are candidates for getting slaughtered in Australia - as flat T20 pitches and weather there won't offer much seam, swing or spin. Why pick on Dube alone? We all will agree he is just a 6th bowling option good only for few overs, IF intelligently used by captain.

 

What Dube needs to learn is variations, hitting the block hole on regular basis, cutters etc. This is where bowling coach should come in. We badly needed a lower-middle order hitter, and Dube fits the bill, apart from Hardik who is injury prone...This is what makes Dube valuable for us, and worth investing.

 

 

 

 

[Real McCoy]

He can be used as a lower order hitter but looks completely clueless with the ball. Its not just because of Hetmeyer. He seems to bowl without any purpose. All he looks for is put the ball there and expect to contain. No variations no thinking. He is a work in progress

[putrevus]

6 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Wrong 

• he already has man of match on his debut in ODI for his bowling
• Also u forgot the 3rd t20 in england where england batsman were ripping us apart....pandya came n took 4 wkts n changed the game
• Won a game by his bowling in end test series 

Stuart Binny also won a match with 6/12 or Jadeja won CT with his bowling does it make Jadeja a great odi bowler . So stop quoting Pandya's couple of matches as if he is some great allrounder.Sehwag ,Ganguly and Sachin also won more matches with their bowling it did not make them allrounders.

 

Pandya is useful for this team because this team does not have any firepower down the line up.If they find more batsmen who have that fire power Pandya can become an excess baggage.

[Ankit_sharma03]

16 minutes ago, Cricwala said:

1. We don't have a history of producing pace bowling all-rounders. That's why Hardik is so special but even his bowling has been taken apart on occasion and I have seen some fans not rate him at all. Mind you, Hardik bowls 135k+ yet doesn't get lateral movement in india - honestly, haven't seen even frontline bowlers get lateral movement in india once ball loses shine.

Its LOI everyone bowling has been taken apart at some time

Guys like hardik n dube get old ball and white ball doesnt do anything after some overs.....neither they have skills of starc or bumrah which many bowler also dont. 

16 minutes ago, Cricwala said:

2. Chahar, Bhuvi, Jaddu - all are candidates for getting slaughtered in Australia - as flat T20 pitches and weather there won't offer much seam, swing or spin. Why pick on Dube alone? We all will agree he is just a 6th bowling option good only for few overs, IF intelligently used by captain.

yup if u use him like 5th bowler ur asking for trouble 

 

[putrevus]

17 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

how can someone be consistent batting at 7 ??

They cannot be consistent thats why no7 has to justify his place based on his bowling. 7 to 11 have to justify their places in the team based on their bowling.7-9 should be able to win odd match with their bat.Bowling should be their strength.

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, putrevus said:

Stuart Binny also won a match with 6/12

So he had his utility as well , even though he got it on damp wkt like clarke got 6 fer on a rank turner

Pandya got wkts on good wkts, none were unplayable like binny....do u want me to show u highlights of binny match to show u pitch diff where both teams cant score 100.

 

How is one perfomance = to someone 3-4 

I wud count binny had he done more....but that was one due to pitch 

 

1 minute ago, putrevus said:

or Jadeja won CT with his bowling does it make Jadeja a great odi bowler .

So till now u were under a myth that pandya n jadeja are bowlers???

1 minute ago, putrevus said:

 

 So stop quoting Pandya's couple of matches as if he is some great allrounder.Sehwag ,Ganguly and Sachin also won more matches with their bowling it did not make them allrounders.

Has he played 100 games that i shud quote tones of perfomances

Yes and they together use to do role of all rounder

1 minute ago, putrevus said:

Pandya is useful for this team because this team does not have any firepower down the line up.If they find more batsmen who have that fire power Pandya can become an excess baggage.

So pandya plays as specialist hitter .....then why have u bowler like expectation

 

DK n SKY both can play power game yet they wont replace pandya in life coz they have no skill

Pandya has all the skills

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 minutes ago, putrevus said:

They cannot be consistent thats why no7 has to justify his place based on his bowling.

Look around the world how many 5th bowler justify their place with bowling???

They justify their place with power hitting which is a specialist job none of the top order batsman capable of doing . Hitters cant be consistent ever

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7 to 11 have to justify their places in the team based on their bowling.7-9 should be able to win odd match with their bat.Bowling should be their strength.

no 8-11 has to justify by bowling....7 comes under batting

jadeja was a decent bowler always yet a liability coz he batted at 7 and didnt contribute much.

Raina use to bat at 7 in Wc...did he justify it by his bowling....he was there for his batting.

 

N no captain ask for consistency at 7.....all ask for impact 

Edited December 16, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[putrevus]

17 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

So he had his utility as well , even though he got it on damp wkt like clarke got 6 fer on a rank turner

Pandya got wkts on good wkts, none were unplayable like binny....do u want me to show u highlights of binny match to show u pitch diff where both teams cant score 100.

 

How is one perfomance = to someone 3-4 

I wud count binny had he done more....but that was one due to pitch 

 

So till now u were under a myth that pandya n jadeja are bowlers???

Has he played 100 games that i shud quote tones of perfomances

Yes and they together use to do role of all rounder

So pandya plays as specialist hitter .....then why have u bowler like expectation

 

DK n SKY both can play power game yet they wont replace pandya in life coz they have no skill

Pandya has all the skills

Pandya does not have all skills, the more he plays the more he will get exposed like he was in test cricket.Test team became better after him getting out of the team.But Pandya does have place in this team for odis and t20s this lower order stinks and he along with Dubey are needed for next T20 world cup.

 

Thats why I am all for Dubey getting more chances in odis, he needs to get experience of facing international batsmen.They need to find about his hitting too.I would not drop Dubey even after Pandya gets healthy.

[Ankit_sharma03]

10 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Pandya does not have all skills, the more he plays the more he will get exposed like he was in test cricket.

As bowler - he has speed, outswinger. Cant take a fifer without skill on good pitch

As batsman - he plays short pitch bowling well, murders spinners.... only problem he plays with hard hand which many batsman do . Cant score 90+ runs against an attack of steyn, Rabadda, ngidi, philander

 

No one has all skills, u just need enough skills.....every player has some weakness

The more he plays the better he ll get 

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Test team became better after him getting out of the team.

How ? 

Coz they won in Aus which had no smith warner......

where our 6th batsman perfomance was just 1-50 which even he made in ENG n Sa 

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But Pandya does have place in this team for odis and t20s this lower order stinks and he along with Dubey are needed for next T20 world cup.

 

Thats why I am all for Dubey getting more chances in odis, he needs to get experience of facing international batsmen.They need to find about his hitting too.I would not drop Dubey even after Pandya gets healthy.

yea so dube plays in place of jadhav 

 not fully sold on dubey but he needs his chances.....he has some good qualites and take any player they and its time we move on from jadhav who will not play next Wc

Edited December 16, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[Khota]

6 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

If one match makes nadeem better then Ashwin

Well atleast Pandya did better then Dhawan n Rohit in Sa, SL, ENG in test cricket

 

greater or not perfomance matter at the end of day, and he did something those specialist failed to. N if u wud have seen that afghan game u wud have we had a mini collapse when pujara, rahane , DK all failed and he came n saved the ship

You do know that is 100% of the matches Nadeem has played. How about giving half the chances to Nadeem compared to what you wanted to do for pandya I.

 

Once in a blue moon is not a substitute for consistency.

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 hours ago, Khota said:

You do know that is 100% of the matches Nadeem has played. How about giving half the chances to Nadeem compared to what you wanted to do for pandya I.

 

Once in a blue moon is not a substitute for consistency.

U do no that nadeem has fallen behind for a reason which is why he hasnt played and he is out of favor again.

 

That once in blue moon is still more then guys like dhawan rohit who still has no 50 in eng or sa in test...if pandya is once in blue then what are those guys amaavas ki kaali raat

Edited December 17, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[Khota]

5 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

U do no that nadeem has fallen behind for a reason which is why he hasnt played and he is out of favor again.

 

That once in blue moon is still more then guys like dhawan rohit who still has no 50 in eng or sa in test...if pandya is once in blue then what are those guys amaavas ki kaali raat

I dont understand the reason besides politics for Nadeem not playing.

 

You and your obsession of 50's. Take it from me Pandya is not the fraction of a batsman compared to Sharma and Dhawan. Team is wasting time on Pandya. Either develop a bat or a bowler, this hybrid crap needs to stop.