SecondSlip Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 Quote India has accepted an invitation to witness the signing of the U.S.-Taliban peace deal in Doha, official sources confirmed. India’s Ambassador to Qatar P. Kumaran will represent the country at Saturday’s event, which will be hosted by the Government of Qatar and will be attended by representatives of about 24 countries. The decision to send Mr. Kumaran to the ceremony came even as Kabul hosted Foreign Secretary Harsh Vardhan Shringla who met the Acting Foreign Minister of Afghanistan Haroon Chakhansuri in the Afghan capital. “Foreign Secretary conveyed India’s support for the people of Afghanistan in their pursuit for sustainable peace, security and development,” Ministry of External Affairs Official Spokesperson Raveesh Kumar said after the meeting. “They reviewed and positively assessed developments in bilateral strategic partnership,” Mr. Kumar observed, adding that the Foreign Secretary reiterated India’s commitment to Afghanistan’s pursuit of “sustainable peace and reconciliation”. Officials had earlier indicated that India would like the peace process to be inclusive — Afghan owned, Afghan led and Afghan controlled — and the participation of the Afghan government’s delegation in the ceremony in Doha would show that the upcoming intra-Afghan peace negotiations would be following the path desired by India. Kabul has sent a six-member official delegation, which will begin the intra-Afghan negotiations with the Taliban soon after the peace deal with the U.S. is signed on Saturday. Officials here maintain that India will consider the sensitivities of the Kabul government while framing future policies regarding Afghanistan. The peace deal between the Taliban and the U.S. comes after a long and risky negotiation and includes several difficult proposals that will unfold in phases after the deal is signed. During this time, the Taliban had opened up formal channels of communication with other countries like China, Russia, Iran. However, India did not conduct any negotiations with the group. The deal will face its first test when Kabul sits for negotiations with the Taliban as the latter has extracted a promise from the U.S. for freeing a large number of its cadre from the Afghan government’s prisons. That apart, the Taliban’s participation in the overground political process remains a difficult issue that will also be worked on after the signing of the accord. India has been a key stakeholder in the peace and reconciliation process in Afghanistan. In a significant move, India had sent two former diplomats in “non-official” capacity to a conference on Afghan peace process in Moscow in November 2018. The conference organised by Russia was attended by a high-level Taliban delegation, representatives of Afghanistan as well as from several other countries, including the U.S., Pakistan and China. Major powers such as the U.S., Russia and Iran have been reaching out to the Taliban as part of efforts to push the stalled Afghan peace process. India has been supporting a national peace and reconciliation process which is Afghan-led, Afghan-owned and Afghan controlled. India has also been maintaining that care should be taken to ensure that any such process does not lead to any “ungoverned spaces” where terrorists and their proxies can relocate. Ahead of peace deal, India has conveyed to the U.S. that pressure on Pakistan to crack down on terror networks operating from its soil must be kept up though Islamabad’s cooperation for peace in Afghanistan is crucial. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/india-to-attend-signing-of-landmark-peace-deal-between-us-and-taliban-in-doha-on-saturday/articleshow/74344227.cms Calling all Indian Military experts @Gollum @sandeep @FischerTal @Muloghonto What does this mean for India, if anything, going forward?
sandeep Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 means nothing. Obviously important to open diplomatic contact in official or non official capacity. But the Taliban are in Pakistan's pocket. It is what it is.
Deucalion Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 (edited) Russia, Pak on board US talks with Taliban, India has no influence: Russian envoy Zamir Kabulov Edited February 29, 2020 by Deucalion
FischerTal Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 US is not leaving as many people(i.e Pakistan) would like to believe. I will write on this topic later on when things are clear.
sandeep Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 3 hours ago, Deucalion said: Premature celebrations are not too different from premature ejaculation - may provide momentary pleasure, but subsequent humiliation is inescapable.
FischerTal Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, sandeep said: Premature celebrations are not too different from premature ejaculation - may provide momentary pleasure, but subsequent humiliation is inescapable. They think that this is the 90s.
sandeep Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, FischerTal said: They think that this is the 90s. Even the 90s were not a good outcome for Al-Bakistan. They may have experienced temporary adrenalin rush of creating a vassal in Afghanistan, escalating 'non-state' attacks against the eternal enemy, but a basic look at the larger picture shows that the strategic gains were negative. Another go-around with essentially the same tactics, is going to result in similar outcomes. And a commensurate increase in Pakistan-hatred within Afghanistan. Which is already significant. BUT, you have to understand, a bankrupt nation with not much to celebrate apart from how quickly it embraces vassalhood to the Chinese, has to celebrate what it can. Just look at how they 'celebrate' 1965, Balakote etc. In absence of genuine wins, you run with what you have.
FischerTal Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 24 minutes ago, sandeep said: Even the 90s were not a good outcome for Al-Bakistan. They may have experienced temporary adrenalin rush of creating a vassal in Afghanistan, escalating 'non-state' attacks against the eternal enemy, but a basic look at the larger picture shows that the strategic gains were negative. Another go-around with essentially the same tactics, is going to result in similar outcomes. And a commensurate increase in Pakistan-hatred within Afghanistan. Which is already significant. BUT, you have to understand, a bankrupt nation with not much to celebrate apart from how quickly it embraces vassalhood to the Chinese, has to celebrate what it can. Just look at how they 'celebrate' 1965, Balakote etc. In absence of genuine wins, you run with what you have. Pakistani army fanboys think US leaving Afghanistan means that west will lose control over Pakistan meanwhile..... https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/02/27/world/asia/27reuters-pakistan-imf.html
sandeep Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 Without financial independence, you can forget about any geopolitical objectives, especially in disturbing the status quo, in the modern age. 450 million or 4 billion, you can count on PakMil to ensure that Pakistan is unlikely to dig out of the financial hole the country perpetually finds itself in. They got billions in the 80s, again in the 2000s, and they blew it all on buying bigger guns, and building defence housing societies. Expect more of the same. And CPEC fantasies can be dreamt, but the Chinese are about exploiting poorer markets, not enriching them. No matter how much the greenbros kiss their noodley arrse. Muloghonto 1
First class Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 9 hours ago, Deucalion said: Russia, Pak on board US talks with Taliban, India has no influence: Russian envoy Zamir Kabulov India has no direct role in Afghanistan , they're inviting India only to observe it themselves that international conflicts require other countries help and involvement to resolve the issue . Kashmir issue will never be resolves if India kept insisting on no third party mediation. sandeep 1
Deucalion Posted March 1, 2020 Posted March 1, 2020 20 hours ago, FischerTal said: Pakistani army fanboys think US leaving Afghanistan means that west will lose control over Pakistan even if someone try to sabotage the deal, Afgahn Taliban wont looe thre sleep. It will be upto US to keep fighting 2 more decades. Afghan Talibans are not going anywhere. :) sandeep 1
jf1gp_1 Posted March 1, 2020 Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) I wish for nothing but best for all Afghanis, if this treaty brings peace and prosperity to there nation then why not. Now do i believe it will work, i think lets not kid ourselves. As far as nn existence of India's role is concerned , thats by design. Edited March 1, 2020 by jf1gp_1 sandeep 1
speedheat Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2020/03/conducts-air-strike-taliban-peace-deal-200304085937305.html The United States has carried out an air raid against Taliban fighters in Afghanistan, a US forces spokesman said a day after President Donald Trump spoke to a senior Taliban leader by phone. The longest peace deal ever
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