ATG INDIA ODI XI vs ATG NZ ODI XI - Who will win ?

[Sandeep99]

On 4/10/2020 at 4:25 PM, zen said:

Hadlee-Bond bowling combination is among the most dangerous of AT irrespective of the format 

Our captain Rat could not negotiate rookie Jamieson and CdG earlier this year. Can you imagine him facing the likes of Hadlee and Bond at their primes? Manhoods would've been destroyed. Also shows how good the likes of Sachin, Dravid, Gavaskar, Azhar really were. 

[Stan AF]

Tendulkar

Sehwag (Picking over Rohit)

Kohli

Dravid [ I need middle order stability]

Yuvi

Dhoni

Kapil

Kuldeep/Chahal

Srinath (Picking him ahead of Shami)

Zak

Bumrah

[rkt.india]

2 hours ago, Sandeep99 said:

Our captain Rat could not negotiate rookie Jamieson and CdG earlier this year. Can you imagine him facing the likes of Hadlee and Bond at their primes? Manhoods would've been destroyed. Also shows how good the likes of Sachin, Dravid, Gavaskar, Azhar really were. 

Bad patch can happen to any batsman. Doesn't mean he can't handle Jamieson and CDG.  The same guy scored runs in England against better bowlers and in much more tricky conditions. Guy has 70 international hundreds by playing best bowlers around the world. Has 100s against likes of Steyn, Starc, Anderson, Hazlewood, Johnson, Morkel, Broad, etc

[zen]

6 hours ago, Sandeep99 said:

Our captain Rat could not negotiate rookie Jamieson and CdG earlier this year. Can you imagine him facing the likes of Hadlee and Bond at their primes? Manhoods would've been destroyed. Also shows how good the likes of Sachin, Dravid, Gavaskar, Azhar really were. 

Though he bats at #3, Kohli is more like a #4 in those conditions/situations. One of the reasons we struggle in KO games unless playing an Asian team and/or in Asia is that we can run into good inform bowlers who can expose these batsmen.  
 

In 2003 WC, we were lucky enough to play Kenya or could have departed in the semis there as well. 
 

Edited April 16, 2020 by zen

[Sandeep99]

10 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Bad patch can happen to any batsman. Doesn't mean he can't handle Jamieson and CDG.  The same guy scored runs in England against better bowlers and in much more tricky conditions. Guy has 70 international hundreds by playing best bowlers around the world. Has 100s against likes of Steyn, Starc, Anderson, Hazlewood, Johnson, Morkel, Broad, etc

Not denying any of his records but somehow I’m confident of him bottling in big matches. He may well score 30-40 hundreds more but unless he scores in crucial knockouts his records will remain tainted. Can’t forgive for his dismissals in 2015, 17, 19 tournaments.

[Sandeep99]

6 hours ago, zen said:

Though he bats at #3, Kohli is more like a #4 in those conditions/situations. One of the reasons we struggle in KO games unless playing an Asian team and/or in Asia is that we can run into good inform bowlers who can expose these batsmen.  
 

In 2003 WC, we were lucky enough to play Kenya or could have departed in the semis there as well. 
 

Agree completely. Just shows how good 1983 and 2011 wins were. We defeated Australia in quarters, in form Pakistan in semis in 2011. We defeated a strong West Indies in the final, England in semis in 1983. Some pretty good wins. India is not winning any such games in the next 8 years or so. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

53 minutes ago, Sandeep99 said:

Not denying any of his records but somehow I’m confident of him bottling in big matches. He may well score 30-40 hundreds more but unless he scores in crucial knockouts his records will remain tainted. Can’t forgive for his dismissals in 2015, 17, 19 tournaments.

well he was the highest scorer in CT 2013 Final and did play an important knock in 2011 final as well....i think we are a lil harsh on him

 

[rkt.india]

9 hours ago, Sandeep99 said:

Not denying any of his records but somehow I’m confident of him bottling in big matches. He may well score 30-40 hundreds more but unless he scores in crucial knockouts his records will remain tainted. Can’t forgive for his dismissals in 2015, 17, 19 tournaments.

We are talking about Indian- NZ bilateral series or match here, not WC. In big tournaments, NZ has always been our bogey team irrespective of who plays for India. 

[Sandeep99]

10 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

well he was the highest scorer in CT 2013 Final and did play an important knock in 2011 final as well....i think we are a lil harsh on him

 

You're bound to get criticized when you boast of being the best but you also utter flop when it really matters. 3 tournaments - where he could have easily won at least 1 if not 2 of them. He may score 70 more hundreds against kesari williams but unless he scores in crucial matches, those will remain useless.

Edited April 17, 2020 by Sandeep99

[Sandeep99]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

We are talking about Indian- NZ bilateral series or match here, not WC. In big tournaments, NZ has always been our bogey team irrespective of who plays for India. 

The bottom line is the so called lord lolli also bottled against our bogey team in 2019 wc where we could have easily won.

[Ankit_sharma03]

30 minutes ago, Sandeep99 said:

You're bound to get criticized when you boast of being the best but you also utter flop when it really matters. 3 tournaments - where he could have easily won at least 1 if not 2 of them. He may score 70 more hundreds against kesari williams but unless he scores in crucial matches, those will remain useless.

I doubt any player in the world will tick all boxes .

N how is scoring in CT final n 2011 final, 2014 t20 Wc final, 2016 t20 Wc semi final ......called utterly flop 

30 minutes ago, Sandeep99 said:

The bottom line is the so called lord lolli also bottled against our bogey team in 2019 wc where we could have easily won.

n how cud we have won easily.....it wasnt easy the ball was moving n 250 was turning out to be a winning total in that latter half. 

Every player wont work every day or tick every box, ull find some problem with everyone. Didnt tendulkar fail in 2003 n 2011 final

[Stan AF]

The 2014 wc final knock was kind of a slow one bro. Malinga tamed him very well. And please let's not bring t20 in here.